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post #691 of 4132
4/8/11 at 6:15pm
Jay, I just looked at my Panny BD player and it does allow you to change the output from 1080p to 1080i via HDMI. So if yours allows the same setting, there's an easy way to take the deinterlacer out of the equation.
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post #692 of 4132
4/8/11 at 6:34pm
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Originally Posted by ErLupo View Post

Ken,

Mine is the wide angle adapter (0.7). It's pricey, but when I film basketball or soccer, I really want to see as much as I can. The Sony was the only cam wide enough to do that without an adapter.

Canon lists it for $499 or something. I found it for about half that. Not sure if it is completely worth it, comparing it to some of the cheapie ones you can get on ebay. We shall see.

Hi ErLupo
Would it be possible to name your source for the Canon wide angle adaptor WD-H58W 0.8 that you were able to order for half the price, B&H list it for $499.00 same as Canon, be careful because the Canon also has a 0.7 wide angle adaptor that is not designed for the XA10 that fits the HF-S21 which I have, it is precisely half price as this one although 58mm in diameter it won't do well with the XA10
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Luidoly
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post #693 of 4132
4/8/11 at 6:40pm
How have you guys found these WA adapters? I'm not sure I need one given how wide the standard XA lens is, but do you find you're sacrificing sharpness with these auxiliary lenses?
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post #694 of 4132
4/8/11 at 6:51pm
Hi Ken

I found the one that is designed for the S21, which I have is great and place it in the lens since day one and have never taken it off.

But you are right in comparison the XA10 has a new lens that has a good sweet spot for wide angle better that the S21 did not have, in addition to the fact that the WA adapter for this camera is $500.00 smackers and is only 0.8x.

I will need to do some testing with the one that I have, but I think it will vignette.

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Luidoly
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post #695 of 4132
4/8/11 at 6:54pm
Sounds good Luidoly, let us know what you find.
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post #696 of 4132
4/8/11 at 7:18pm
Just curious what settings people are using with the XA10 and or HF G10?

Recording mode?
Frame Rate?
x.v.Color?

Thanks?
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post #697 of 4132
4/8/11 at 7:18pm
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Originally Posted by Garman View Post

Get the Canon and compare them directly out of the HDMI inputs to a decent TV via HDMI and then be the judge. I have seen some great video footage with my 700, but the Canon seems to have me won over on lowlight and to my eye better than my 700 and of course much better than my Sony CX-150. I will know more tomorrow once I shoot this wedding if the HG 10 is a keeper, if not I will return it and play the waiting game.


The big decision I have to make is do I get the XA10 or the HF G10.
It's hard to tell video online sometimes even if it's a raw file.
I always test direct from the camera as well as the card because let's face it, I will probably never watch it from the camera into the TV. Most likely it will always be from a card or a HDD or on my PS3's HDD.
You might as well watch it the way you will always watch it. I noticed no difference with the TM900 except for the stutter caused by the PS3's inability to deal with the higher bitrate.

That said i do look forward too seeing some more footage while I am waiting for it to become available.
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post #698 of 4132
4/8/11 at 7:23pm
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Steve, I must be missing something. Even if my clips are '19 seconds long', they are still A/Bs with the 900 and thus more valuable in determining relative 'punch' than two clips from two different people using two different camcorders.

I'm doing A/Bs of the exact same subject at the exact same time. Where am I wrong here?

I don't have the ultra fast action you're looking for, but you can certainly judge relative pop, sharpness and color from my A/Bs. They were conducted in low light, good light, indoor and outdoor. :confused

I've got both cameras and there is simply no doubt that the Canon has more pop. Now some people may prefer the tamer look that comes from the Panasonic, but I don't see how one could look at the A/Bs I've done and come to the conclusion that the 900 has more pop, it simply doesn't.


It's been a long day, my wife just got home and we ate dinner at 10pm. I'm going to be talking with her about it over the weekend.
It is returnable if i don't like it, so we shall see.
I don't see that pop you are talking about either on the monitor or on the TV.
So it might just be my setup. I've been comparing it to the video i took with the TM900 and other raw files that I was able to snag on Vimeo with their 6 file limit which sucks because no matter how long the clip is it still counts as 1 file downloaded.
I do appreciate your thoughts on this, they do matter, I'm just a bit burnt out from work.
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post #699 of 4132
4/8/11 at 7:28pm
Sorry guys, at first I thought that if I take the UV filter out and attach the WA adapter WD-H58 0.7x it will work but no way it vignettes at the widest setting either with or without a filter.

I guess we are stuck with the more expensive WA-H58W 0.8x (notice the W at the end) I think this is very significant when ordering an adapter for this camera. Canon designs these specifically for their cameras and most of the time they are not interchangeable. It is called Smart Marketing by Canon!!!!

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Luidoly
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post #700 of 4132
4/8/11 at 7:49pm
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If you read the reviews on BD players, the pros will tell you that all these players produce the same picture. Now it IS possible that a given manufacturer is doing something to the signal to give a different look. But if that's the case, then they have probably taken the signal out of the digital domain and altered it in some D/A conversion. This is not what videophiles want to see. You want the signal direct from the disc with zero alterations. A good BD player should do just that. If I knew my BD player was altering the signal in a way that could not be corrected, it would go back to the store.

The display device is totally different because everything that you see does not occur in the digital domain. There are still many D/A, A/D conversions going on and it's not the intent of display manufacturer's to have every set look identical. Very often a given manufacturer has a given 'look' to their line of sets.

Sony has a look, Panasonic has a look, they all have a different 'look'. That's why anyone who is anal about this stuff should have their HDTV ISF'd by a good ISF tech.

If you haven't done that Jay, you really really should. If you appreciate subtleties, you'll surely appreciate an ISF adjustment.

Yeah I know they say one blu-ray player looks the same as the next. However my experiences with them have shown me differences. I have considered having someone ISF'd I may still do so at some point.
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post #701 of 4132
4/8/11 at 7:50pm
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Just curious, are you running out mini HDMI to HDMI to the back of your TV? I just hooked it up directly to my TV via HDMI and use same cables and just switch inputs.

Yes I am running mini HDMI out to HDMI in.
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post #702 of 4132
4/8/11 at 7:55pm
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Jay, I just looked at my Panny BD player and it does allow you to change the output from 1080p to 1080i via HDMI. So if yours allows the same setting, there's an easy way to take the deinterlacer out of the equation.

That's good news. I will have to look although it's really a moot point here. I was using this method a few days ago only because the camcorder at the time was not mine and the only way I was able to look at clips we had shot once I got home was by taking the card and placing it into the blu-ray player. I would not have done that if I had owned the camcorder myself, which I now do. So there really is no reason for me to go that route anymore.

BTW I used to use the Canon wide angle adapter when I had the HFS21. It was actually very very good and I didn't notice any real degradation to speak of. If you need wider than what the XA10 gives you (I don't think I do) it's worth the money.

Another note...someone earlier today mentioned that the shoe on top of the handle was indeed a standard one. I am happy to report that I have successfully gotten a standard shoe adapter onto it and off with no problem! Yay!
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post #703 of 4132
4/8/11 at 8:05pm
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Yeah I know they say one blu-ray player looks the same as the next. However my experiences with them have shown me differences. I have considered having someone ISF'd I may still do so at some point.

My projector is ISF'd by a good local guy who has been certified for many years. I had it done 2 years ago but need a slight adjustment done.

Just curious what your settings are when filming as I am trying to get the right look for tomorrow when I shoot a friends wedding. Are you using 24p? Recording mode? etc..
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post #704 of 4132
4/8/11 at 8:09pm
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Originally Posted by Garman View Post

Just curious what settings people are using with the XA10 and or HF G10?

Recording mode?
Frame Rate?
x.v.Color?

Thanks?

Highest quality- MXP
Frame Rate- 60i
x.v.Color- Only use it if you have an x.v color display and even then understand that x.v.Color is not part of the HD Standard, REC709. As a result the colors are not within the high def standard and will be 'wrong'.
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post #705 of 4132
4/8/11 at 8:11pm
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Originally Posted by Jay968 View Post

That's good news. I will have to look although it's really a moot point here. I was using this method a few days ago only because the camcorder at the time was not mine and the only way I was able to look at clips we had shot once I got home was by taking the card and placing it into the blu-ray player. I would not have done that if I had owned the camcorder myself, which I now do. So there really is no reason for me to go that route anymore.

BTW I used to use the Canon wide angle adapter when I had the HFS21. It was actually very very good and I didn't notice any real degradation to speak of. If you need wider than what the XA10 gives you (I don't think I do) it's worth the money.

Another note...someone earlier today mentioned that the shoe on top of the handle was indeed a standard one. I am happy to report that I have successfully gotten a standard shoe adapter onto it and off with no problem! Yay!

Hi Jay968

If you look a couple of posts back I already tried the WA adapter of the HF-S21 and it won' work because it vignettes at the widest setting. We are stuck with the more expensive one.

Luidoly
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post #706 of 4132
4/8/11 at 8:13pm
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BTW I used to use the Canon wide angle adapter when I had the HFS21. It was actually very very good and I didn't notice any real degradation to speak of. If you need wider than what the XA10 gives you (I don't think I do) it's worth the money.

I really don't Jay. It's a nice improvement in WA from my 900. I really like that WA look, it gives you a really nice vista for scenics. I used to own the Sony Z5 which also had a really nice WA.
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post #707 of 4132
4/8/11 at 8:34pm
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Highest quality- MXP
Frame Rate- 60i
x.v.Color- Only use it if you have an x.v color display and even then understand that x.v.Color is not part of the HD Standard, REC709. As a result the colors are not within the high def standard and will be 'wrong'.

Ken,

Thanks for the info, why 60i? Easier files to handle and deal with? Just curious why not 24p?
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post #708 of 4132
4/8/11 at 8:36pm
This is the WA-H58W for the XA10, it comes with a hood.
Luidoly
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post #709 of 4132
4/8/11 at 8:44pm
This is the same without the hood, depicted on the other post.
Thanks
Luidoly
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post #710 of 4132
4/8/11 at 8:49pm
299.99 at unique photo.com
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post #711 of 4132
4/8/11 at 10:05pm
ErLupo

Yes you read my mind, hope they still have it in stock
Luidoly.
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post #712 of 4132
4/8/11 at 10:08pm
You're welcome. Mine shipped yesterday, i get it next week.

For the XA10 owners... what setting was your cam set to when you opened the box? Manual or Automatic?
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post #713 of 4132
4/8/11 at 11:08pm
ErLupo

If I remember correctly it was manual, 60i frame rate, and P programmed recording mode.
Luidoly
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post #714 of 4132
4/8/11 at 11:25pm
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ErLupo

If I remember correctly it was manual, 60i frame rate, and P programmed recording mode.
Luidoly

Thank you. I thought mine had been opened before I received it. Good to know it wasn't.
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post #715 of 4132
4/9/11 at 2:16am
Steve, here is the action shot you have been waiting for taken by the G10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK_vDfhMlbk
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post #716 of 4132
4/9/11 at 5:17am
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Ken,

Thanks for the info, why 60i? Easier files to handle and deal with? Just curious why not 24p?

Garman, I just hate the inevitable motion stutter that comes with 24p, and to a lesser degree 30p. Shots must be carefully planned to avoid this stutter, as does panning. Try shooting someone running or even walking quickly in close proximity to the camera. It looks like a series of still frames. Try shooting moving cars with the different frame rates and see what you think. 24p is not, IMO, for 'running & gunning'.

This is not something inherent in the XA10, but it's something that's painfully evident to me with every cam I've owned that shoots 24p. At least Canon gives us 30p which is a bit better in that regard. But whenever you shoot in a slower frame rate, motion smoothness will suffer.

Some like the look, actually many love the look, but sure as heck that 'look' has always eluded me. But kudos to Canon for giving us so many frame rates.
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post #717 of 4132
4/9/11 at 5:18am
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Originally Posted by luidoly View Post

This is the same without the hood, depicted on the other post.
Thanks
Luidoly

Luidoly, what's that puppy weigh? Some of that glass can be heavy.
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post #718 of 4132
4/9/11 at 5:21am
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Originally Posted by ErLupo View Post

You're welcome. Mine shipped yesterday, i get it next week.

For the XA10 owners... what setting was your cam set to when you opened the box? Manual or Automatic?

I actually can't recall since the first thing I did was go in to the settings and change things. But it probably was manual since the only setting I changed for my A/Bs was quality.
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post #719 of 4132
4/9/11 at 5:24am
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Originally Posted by T.Huntley View Post

Steve, here is the action shot you have been waiting for taken by the G10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK_vDfhMlbk

Once the camera shaking stopped, it was buttery smooth, but I don't think that's going to be fast enough for Steve.
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post #720 of 4132
4/9/11 at 5:39am
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Once the camera shaking stopped, it was buttery smooth, but I don't think that's going to be fast enough for Steve.

Heheh yeah probably not... there are a few more vids from the same guy with trains going past. Unfortunately no bullet trains
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