I purchased the TM900 and it's good - video

I would download a native clip if it was 500mb or less but 2.4GB is a bit too long. Is there a reason why you don't upload shorter clips ?

The TM900 seems to love bright light, it produces awesome video when it has a world of light. I will try and upload some native video today from outdoors.
I'm very impressed with it's outdoor video.

Mark, it's a true mystery to me why you have no issues with 'failed' uploading of your files. I've literally tried about a dozen times using both the desktop Vimeo uploader as well as directly from the site. Each and every time I get a 'failed'. I never had this with any other cam, including my old 700 or the Sonys. This issue has manifested itself with both samples of my 900

I'm also curious what your rationale was for using the ND filter beyond what's already in the cam. Were you trying to restrict smaller lens openings?

Edit: In looking at your video, there are a few cases of what appears to be a bit of the bondi-blue sky issue (0:20 and some other areas). In other parts of the clip the sky was a convincing blue, but others I'm just not sure.

Was the color of the sky accurate?

And therein lies the problem, the light must be very good (although I would not describe my current 900 as evening producing 'awesome' video outdoors).

The video was great but it still has that problem is that when you pan the defect .... (stabilizer)
I think the 560 would have been even better with the CX700 and the 50p is good sharpness .. maximum increases in post

Nice video mark041.

I don't see the 'bondi-blue' sky issue Ken talks. I still believe that if people look hard enough for something they will eventually find it. The power of suggestion is great.

If you watch different parts of the video you'll see distinctly different renditions of the blue sky, no power of suggestion needed. Now much of that could be an exposure issue and Mark could tell us for sure.

But nobody is disputing the cam's ability to capture great looking video in good light, but in less than ideal lighting it's simply not good. I will tell you this, my current 900 can NOT produce video that is as sharp as Mark's cam. My first one could, but the beep was absurd. So if I were to decide on keeping a 900, I'd be forced to try sample #3.

As far as the beeping goes, I'd never be able to tell from Mark's video since there's so much ambient noise it would mask a problem like that.

To each his own but I just don't buy that. Go outside on a clear or partly cloudy/sunny day. Take a look at the sky straight up and then look at the sky color on the horizon. Evidently 'Mother Nature' has the 'bondi-blue' issue.

Congrats Mark!

I can't imagine why you can't upload your files Ken, as others don't have any issues. Do you have Anti-virus and a Firewall running on your computer? I would temporarily disable both and try.

I have often said that the bondi-blue color CAN be seen at times on the horizon. However, it is very clear from many posted videos that some of these cams are depicting a blue sky in ways that are not evident in nature. If you've seen these and still believe that's "Mother Nature", then you're in denial.

Now Mark's skies are nowhere near that degree and I'm perfectly willing to accept Mark's pronouncement that the color was just the way he saw it.

Tingham, what happens is that the video does get uploaded as I can see from the 'bar graph'. Upon completion it says the video was successfully uploaded. The problem arises when Vimeo takes that uploaded file and does its conversion. It's at that point that the failure occurs. What I see on my Vimeo home page is the first frame of the video and what looks like a successful upload, but when you click on it, it says "FAILED. There was a problem converting your video! Please review our compression guidelines".

But since this entire procedure is automatic (or should be) there's nothing for me to do. As I've said, I've used this same procedure with other camcorders and never had an issue.

Ok..gotcha. Yes, that does seem strange. Just out of curiosity, can you down convert one of your files in-cam and try to upload that one? I really want to hear this beep issue you have on my HT.

I can try doing that if my editing program will accept these files.

Tingham, as I suspected, no problems uploading a 1080i file from the 900, it's just 1080p. Both the PS3 and Vimeo (at least for me) don't like these Panny 1080p files, yet they have no issues with the Sony files. It must be bitrate, but yet the 700 had no issues. Go figure.

At any rate, here's the file. I strong suggest you download the file and play it on your home theater. This is not the worst example, but it was the first one I found and should give you an idea.

http://vimeo.com/21261766

the bitrate is =

tm700
verall bit rate : 24.9 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 28.0 Mbps

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.2
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 4 frames
Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=24
Codec ID : 27
Duration : 1mn 23s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 23.5 Mbps
Maximum bit rate : 26.0 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 50.000 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.227
Stream size : 235 MiB (94%)

Audio
ID : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 1mn 24s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 384 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Delay relative to video : -40ms
Stream size : 3.85 MiB (2%)

cx560

Overall bit rate : 26.3 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 28.0 Mbps

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.2
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames
Format settings, GOP : M=1, N=24
Codec ID : 27
Duration : 21s 600ms
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 24.8 Mbps
Maximum bit rate : 26.0 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 50.000 fps
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.239
Stream size : 63.9 MiB (94%)

Audio
ID : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 21s 600ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 1.15 MiB (2%)

Which clip is this info for?

Ken, I've got a TM900 and a special event coming up in April. My time is running out on being able to return this unit (an obtain something else). You've got me concerned with the beeping issue. I thought for sure I could hear it on mine, it sounded like a high pitch beep (kinda like the high pitch whine from an old CRT monitor that many people can't hear) only the beep is very short with a 1-2 second pause in between. However, I tried to listen for it again later and I just can't hear it. I'm starting to think I was hearing things the first time (even though at the time I thought, "oh my, that's annoying" go figure). I am listening through a Samsung Plasma with a sound bar. It's no home theater, but I can crank the sound bar pretty loud.

Do you know of a way that I can try to make the TM900 beep. Are there any conditions that seem to exacerbate the problem. Further, do I understand correctly that you have a second unit that does not beep?

I have seen same strange issues with Vimeo in the past with high bitrate files and kinda figured this would work. I have no clue why Mark's raw 1080/60p files work out and yours do not.

Thanks for uploading, I could hear it on my computer right off the bat. I listened to it on my HT and it is unacceptable of course. That's so odd, and I can't imagine any electronic device nearby causing it, but you never know.

I would take the cam to a quiet location where no electronic devices are around if I was you and give it a try maybe?. Do you have a shed or something in your yard? That would be good.

tingham, yup, been there done that. I had taken it outside and it did it there too. Real QC issues, but apparently (the beep) not unknown to Panny.

Well Ken, I grabbed some serious sky in my videos today and no bondi blue at all. I used treetops to keep a bit of the ground in teh pic, but the sky was various shaeds of blue and none of it was close. Also I haven't heard any more beeps even in dead silence.

I'll post the videos soon. If you really need a Raw file I'll upload it to Vimeo.

Very sharp and bright,nice work seemed the zoom focused quickly.

Hi


Not the bondi-blue again . I see bondi-blue skies all the time on TV and Blu-ray films, it is something that happens even with the most expensive cameras from time to time. When TM900 footage shows nice blue skies, that's wrong and not believed, "Oh it must be a polarizer", but find a few clips where the sky isn't "travel brochure blue" and it's out of favour and everyone turns to picking faults in another camcorder

Camcorders are not 100% colour accurate, and they can't produce all the colours in nature accurately. Searching for such a thing at around $1000 is a fruitless exercise.

It seems for a few here the camcorder and pixel peeking is the hobby, rather than being a tool for videography.

Regards

Phil

Here are a couple of links to video I just posted. I can't recall which ones have the blue sky but there are no bondi blue skies in any of this video. You won't hear any beeps over the rushing water. Yes the water here really is yellowish, it's called tea water, due to all the leaves that fall in it.
Lots of churning water and zooms into it.

Also an OIS test I have 2 one is a fairly smooth road (for NH) and the other isn't uploaded yet but it's really laden with frost heaves and the cam is hand held by my wife. Amazing, considering how bad that road is.

If you need a RAW file let me know and if it's not over my Vimeo limit I will post it for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMj59gW9VGE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ALABC6aNdM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8HjLNVnzpw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfzZBXUdB6g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeOAWmSxM8M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRrtYiipddg

Nope! I'm not in denial. I think you are just over blowing an issue which really isn't there at all. Or if it is in fact there it is minimal and chances are other camcorders by both Sony and Canon have the same issue to an extent. As another poster has stated, it's a consumer grade camcorder. It is not a $50,000 camera. Get over it. Nobody is planning on shooting the sequel to Avatar with one of these.

Nice videos. Thanks for clarifying the yellow water.

Next thing you know the TM900 would be shot down for having a 'bondi-yellow' issue.

Thanks, yeah, the water here some would claim has a color issue but it really is that way. Piss yellow color does not make you want to swim in it. But it's just leaves and god knows we have a lot of those up here.
They used to say the only thing there is to do in NH is "throw rocks at trees".

We each have things that bother us and things that don't. But there sure is no point in getting hostile over something like this.

Oh brother, unreal.

Saying I don't agree with you is getting hostile?