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post #1411 of 1859
Mcnasty: Perhaps your problem is with your source. Trust me, there's no problem with the skin tones if you ask my eyes or my meter. Perhaps there is a problem with the auto colorspace? Have you measured the gamut?

If you use native color then you get orange skin tones, because the gamut is oversaturated and somewhat tilted. This is also true to some extent even with auto (at least with BT 709HD) but you can always compensate for this by lowering the intensity (color on the set).

I do not try to argue personal taste, and I do not ignore skin tones when i calibrate TV sets. I am, however, beginning to think that there may be large difference between US and EU sets. There are incredibly large difference between difference firmware versions for example.

Also with that brightness you suggest and that contrast, I would get a gamma of around 2.8 - 3.0 for my set. Perhaps have you exaggerated the (mild) problem with skin tones due to oversaturated (and tilted) reds by using an extremely high gamma?

Or, more likely, these set vary a lot between different sets (and firmwares, and regions) meaning that one setting that works for one set is completely off for another.

Source might matter too. For example, Panasonic had serious problems with their EU model (at least) having extreme greens (overintense like hell) if fed in a certain way over HDMI (can't remeber if component or rgb was the problem but one ways). I've watched sets with that type of source (in stores) and the picture looked like pure crap.


Also, as I have understood, the standard and the movie mode is completely different on the US set, but basically the same on the EU set...
post #1412 of 1859
I am pretty sure I saw a setting on the TV that says "FLESH TONE" that goes all the way up to "15". Do the EU ones have that?
post #1413 of 1859
Grimmy the sets do have diffrences, I noticed yours settings show Cell Light at 20 but the US version only goes up to 10, I am wondering why this TV doesn't have good WHITES.

Keep in mind I am talking about when watching HDCABLE not using blu-ray movie or anything. I literally put my TV at Cell 10 and Contrast to 100 and it still doesn't pop good whites.

You don't even see a contrast that high having the torch mode effect, I shouldn't be able to see
details in white shirts with contrast at 100, yet I still do?. Is like contrast is not really potent in this tv.

When you see a commercial where the background is white you can really see it isn't pure white.
post #1414 of 1859
Isn't this TV 600hz? how do you turn that on or "see it" in action
because the information only says 1920x1080i-60hz when watching cable
unless you can only see 600hz when using a Blu-ray player or with "GAME MODE turned
on?.

One more question the sets have a two HDMI slots branded "HDMI-DVI" and then "HDMI", I find that weird
so that means you shouldn't connect an HDMI device on the first slot?(Hdmi-Dvi).
post #1415 of 1859
i want to put my hdmi calibration back to success ..i have the pattern on a scandisk but how do i get it onto the tv ..just hooking it up to the usb port on the tv won't work right??? i have the p51d450(us)
post #1416 of 1859
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Originally Posted by Gslide View Post

Grimmy the sets do have diffrences, I noticed yours settings show Cell Light at 20 but the US version only goes up to 10

I have US model PN51D490 with 1019 firmware and Cell does go to 20.
post #1417 of 1859
Hey I noticed their are Firmware upgrades for the PN51D450, I checked mine and it said it has FW 1007 and the site has two of them 1026.0 and 1006.1

http://www.samsung.com/ie/support/de...me=PS51D450A2W

So should I go ahead and upgrade to 1026.0?, I never done this before and hope it isn't something that complicated.
post #1418 of 1859
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Originally Posted by bosoxi View Post

i want to put my hdmi calibration back to success ..i have the pattern on a scandisk but how do i get it onto the tv ..just hooking it up to the usb port on the tv won't work right??? i have the p51d450(us)


What does that mean? "back to success"?, did you update to the latest firmware yet?(LOOK ABOVE)

I think you need to press "Tools" on the remote and open up that MEDIA share stuff to see pictures
post #1419 of 1859
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Originally Posted by Gslide View Post

What does that mean? "back to success"?, did you update to the latest firmware yet?(LOOK ABOVE)

I think you need to press "Tools" on the remote and open up that MEDIA share stuff to see pictures


in the service menu my tv says hdmi calibration failure...and is that firmware for usa samsung tvs???
post #1420 of 1859
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Originally Posted by bosoxi View Post

in the service menu my tv says hdmi calibration failure...and is that firmware for usa samsung tvs???

damn you're in the service menu and it tells you the calibration failed? interesting lol.

Oh and yes it is from the USA site and US model, I just put the model of my set
on the site after creating an account and noticed it has a new FW upgrade.

First thing I did was check what FW the TV had by going into "PICTURE TEST"
which is just a color slide lol then saying "no" to the question they ask. After that they show you the model/serial and Firmware the TV currently has for me it said 1007.
post #1421 of 1859
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Originally Posted by Gslide View Post

Hey I noticed their are Firmware upgrades for the PN51D450, I checked mine and it said it has FW 1007 and the site has two of them 1026.0 and 1006.1

http://www.samsung.com/ie/support/de...me=PS51D450A2W

That link you provided is for the Irish version of Samsung's website (the "ie" in the URL and it says "Ireland/English" at the bottom left of the webpage), which is probably why bosoxi was asking if that firmware is for USA TVs. The URL also includes "PS51D450A2WXXU" and "PS51D450A2W", which seems to be the code and name for a non-USA model if you google them.
post #1422 of 1859
Gslide: It is entirely correct that you cant push this set to crush white details. If you increase contrast to much, you will only end up lowering your gamma. But the set will never go into torchmode.

The brightness limiter is quite heavy on this set, meaning that you will not get extreme whites on a large amount of the picture.

Still, this set is able to produce brighter whites than, for example, many Panansonics plasmas that are even more aggressively tuned.

The biggest reason for this is power consumptin and noise. Sure you can make a plasma show an extremely bright picture all-white (my old LG could) but it will make a lot of noise and it will drain a lot of power. It will also get very hot, making fans necessary.

How bright picture people prefer is highly individual and also highly dependent on ambient lightning. With controlled ambient lightning you will have great contrast and be able to produce a picture that is much more bright than what is typically recommended for movies and TV. I can easily produce a picture that will make my eyes sore from watching, because it is too damn bright.

However, I do know that my father (who has eye problems) require a picture that is extremely bright. He simply cannot watch plasmas. And i simply cannot watch his set without burning my eyes lol.

Anyway. Typically people calibrate (for dim viewing) for about 100 - 150 cd/m2 peak brightness. You can easily get 170 from this set.

However, there is quite extensive white falloff. Hence, this set is not that good for winter sports.
post #1423 of 1859
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Originally Posted by classical View Post

That link you provided is for the Irish version of Samsung's website (the "ie" in the URL and it says "Ireland/English" at the bottom left of the webpage), which is probably why bosoxi was asking if that firmware is for USA TVs. The URL also includes "PS51D450A2WXXU" and "PS51D450A2W", which seems to be the code and name for a non-USA model if you google them.

Nevermind, wtf is this how was I in the Irish section of their site and not even noticed? lol

their is no FW update for the latest PN51 model I got N411 or something like that manufactured in Nov/11, when searching for updates you need to make sure you also put in the model number not just the whole PN51...ect.

http://www.samsung.com/us/support/do...PN51D450A2DXZA
post #1424 of 1859
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Originally Posted by Grimmy84 View Post

Gslide: It is entirely correct that you cant push this set to crush white details. If you increase contrast to much, you will only end up lowering your gamma. But the set will never go into torchmode.

The brightness limiter is quite heavy on this set, meaning that you will not get extreme whites on a large amount of the picture.


Still, this set is able to produce brighter whites than, for example, many Panansonics plasmas that are even more aggressively tuned.

The biggest reason for this is power consumptin and noise. Sure you can make a plasma show an extremely bright picture all-white (my old LG could) but it will make a lot of noise and it will drain a lot of power. It will also get very hot, making fans necessary.

How bright picture people prefer is highly individual and also highly dependent on ambient lightning. With controlled ambient lightning you will have great contrast and be able to produce a picture that is much more bright than what is typically recommended for movies and TV. I can easily produce a picture that will make my eyes sore from watching, because it is too damn bright.

However, I do know that my father (who has eye problems) require a picture that is extremely bright. He simply cannot watch plasmas. And i simply cannot watch his set without burning my eyes lol.

Anyway. Typically people calibrate (for dim viewing) for about 100 - 150 cd/m2 peak brightness. You can easily get 170 from this set.

However, there is quite extensive white falloff. Hence, this set is not that good for winter sports.


Yeah I figured that's how this PLASMA sets are, they are cool to watch stuff in the night in a dark room. Also I should of know that contrast wasn't going to be potent when no where in the "specs" it talks about "contrast ratio".

The PQ quality is very sharp and you can get very nice blacks, I just wish you could see the potent status when you put Contrast at 100. In any other TV that would mean extreme torch mode status.

I am pretty sure however if I watch an HD movie on PS3/360 those consoles each have features that can create better whites and what not but this TV is not going to used for that, this is for my mom to watch TV.

I only brought up the weak whites issue with the set connected to the HDCable Box, 9 times out 10 the signal from these boxes are not even "HD" and watching cable is not going look like watching a Blu-ray, overall this is very good entry level TV for sure.
post #1425 of 1859
Ok I just tested it on my brothers Xbox 360, the PQ has most def a better POP to the whites clearly due to the Xbox.

I have a question what exactly is GAME MODE for?, what should I been looking for?

better Aliasing/Framerate?, he is playing SKYRIM and it looks very nice of course but what exactly
is Game Mode doing that I don't see???

I read this TV can do 600hz but on "display Info" it just says 1920x1080P 60hz,
does the 600hz stuff need to be activated or something?
post #1426 of 1859
I have the PN43D490 and for some reason, the corner of my letterboxes looks washed out, almost as if the tv is an LCD. I have tried many things but for some reason the washed out look in the corner remains. I've seen it since I've had the tv, but it do becomes more or less noticeable depending on the brightness of the scene in the movie. I know about the popping blacks issue, but I believe this is something a little different.

EDIT: After messing around with settings, I believe I have solved this by lowering the brightness into the 40's range.
post #1427 of 1859
I'm wondering about using this TV for a PC. My HTPC is connected to HDMI 2 via HDMI and it works ok at 1920x1080 but looks bad. I tried setting it at 1360x768 @ 60hz (which is the recommended setting in the manual) and the TV says 'Mode Not Supported" 1280x720 looks fantastic but everything is too big. I'm just really confused why it says mode not supported at the recommended setting. I've been using LCD TV's for years as computer monitors and never ran into this problem.
post #1428 of 1859
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gslide View Post

Ok I just tested it on my brothers Xbox 360, the PQ has most def a better POP to the whites clearly due to the Xbox.

I have a question what exactly is GAME MODE for?, what should I been looking for?

better Aliasing/Framerate?, he is playing SKYRIM and it looks very nice of course but what exactly
is Game Mode doing that I don't see???

I read this TV can do 600hz but on "display Info" it just says 1920x1080P 60hz,
does the 600hz stuff need to be activated or something?


Infobox give's input Hertz not output.
post #1429 of 1859
Firstly I will apologize if this question has been answered, read through pages and didn't find an answer.
I am an electronic newb so some help is needed.
I purchased a Samsung D450 51".
I want to connect an external hard drive up to my tv to watch movies, I also have an xbox and a shaw digital receiver. What do I have to do to achieve this, I live in a remote area where I can't buy cables so I want to make sure I buy what I need here in the city before heading home on the 31st.
Bought my TV in Canada.
Thanks in advance.
post #1430 of 1859
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Originally Posted by LL88 View Post

Firstly I will apologize if this question has been answered, read through pages and didn't find an answer.
I am an electronic newb so some help is needed.
I purchased a Samsung D450 51".
I want to connect an external hard drive up to my tv to watch movies, I also have an xbox and a shaw digital receiver. What do I have to do to achieve this, I live in a remote area where I can't buy cables so I want to make sure I buy what I need here in the city before heading home on the 31st.
Bought my TV in Canada.
Thanks in advance.

Ok, so you need a program that will decode .avi/etc. files for the TV because it can't do it on its own.

You might be able to go HDMI from the computer the HDD is plugged straight into the TV, but most computers/laptops still don't have HDMI-out, so here's what i have going (although i have a ps3):


HDD into Laptop.
Download TVersity* (free) media server on to your computer.
360 will recognize TVersity, and you can navigate the files/folders and stream them that way.

If your network is wireless, you will likely want to use Ethernet (Cat5) cables between the computer, router, and 360 because wireless usually stutters (at least for me).

*I've been to friends' places where they don't use TVersity, I think one had windows media player as their media server. It's not really important what program you use AFAIK, but TVersity is the one that i use, and it works well.
If you are using a MAC, then you will need to google alternate UPnP Media Servers that would work for you.
post #1431 of 1859
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Originally Posted by soupman1 View Post

Ok, so you need a program that will decode .avi/etc. files for the TV because it can't do it on its own.

You might be able to go HDMI from the computer the HDD is plugged straight into the TV, but most computers/laptops still don't have HDMI-out, so here's what i have going (although i have a ps3):


HDD into Laptop.
Download TVersity* (free) media server on to your computer.
360 will recognize TVersity, and you can navigate the files/folders and stream them that way.

If your network is wireless, you will likely want to use Cat5 cables between the computer, router, and 360 because wireless usually stutters (at least for me).

*I've been to friends' places where they don't use TVersity, I think one had windows media player as their media server. It's not really important what program you use AFAIK, but TVersity is the one that i use, and it works well.

SWEET Thank you!!
post #1432 of 1859
Quote:
Originally Posted by LL88 View Post

Firstly I will apologize if this question has been answered, read through pages and didn't find an answer.
I am an electronic newb so some help is needed.
I purchased a Samsung D450 51".
I want to connect an external hard drive up to my tv to watch movies, I also have an xbox and a shaw digital receiver. What do I have to do to achieve this, I live in a remote area where I can't buy cables so I want to make sure I buy what I need here in the city before heading home on the 31st.
Bought my TV in Canada.
Thanks in advance.

Good question. Note that there are a couple ways to do this but the limiting factor is number of HDMI input on tv (2). So I recommend. Following

First the easy stuff

Component video and audio xbox cable set
Xbox --- TV

Ethernet cable
Xbox --- home network

Hdmi cable
sat rcvr --- tv

Now the tough
Use a Roku2 to stream ext hard drive content to tv

Hmdi cable
Roku2 --- TV

USB cable
ext HD---Roku

Ethernet cable
Roku--- home network

Filtered power supply
post #1433 of 1859
Ok great nice to have a couple of options. I would think the fact that we only have dial up could be an issue with streaming? We do have high speed just recently available but we are waiting on the box for connection so we don't have high speed at the moment
It's the price you pay for living in paradise
Thanks again
post #1434 of 1859
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Originally Posted by LL88 View Post

Ok great nice to have a couple of options. I would think the fact that we only have dial up could be an issue with streaming? We do have high speed just recently available but we are waiting on the box for connection so we don't have high speed at the moment
It's the price you pay for living in paradise
Thanks again

If you are using a router that has Ethernet (Cat5/6) Cable, it won't matter how fast your internet connection is, provided you are playing files from the external hard drive. This is just using your home network so you don't need an active connection to the internet for it to work.


If you are, however, wanting to watch movies on Netflix, for example, which streams over your internet connection (rather than your home network), then the speed of your downstream connection will matter a great deal. But you can do that through the XBox360 without any of the setups that have been mentioned.
post #1435 of 1859
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Originally Posted by soupman1 View Post

If you are using a router that has Ethernet (Cat5/6) Cable, it won't matter how fast your internet connection is, provided you are playing files from the external hard drive. This is just using your home network so you don't need an active connection to the internet for it to work.


If you are, however, wanting to watch movies on Netflix, for example, which streams over your internet connection (rather than your home network), then the speed of your downstream connection will matter a great deal. But you can do that through the XBox360 without any of the setups that have been mentioned.

Excellent, thanks again for everyone's help.
post #1436 of 1859
hi,guys, I need you help, I owe the ps51d450 for just two days.
I know I made a mistake.I went in the ADC menu in the SM,and I hit the hdmi calibration and the av calibration.Then of course I lost the setting values. anyone has the ADC result default setting values ? both av and hdmi. please post here or sent e-mail to chenhuiafei@126.com thanks
post #1437 of 1859
i Guys.
My PS43D450 arrived yesterday and everything is great.
However, I do have one question?
I connected my Dell laptop (Windows 7) via VGA cable and the only two resolutions I can get are 800x600 & 1024x768.

So, when I watch video via YouTube it's in 'extreme' letterbox mode.

Any way round this?
VGA - Component cable?
VGA - HDMI converter box?

How do you all connect your laptops/PC's up?

Thanks
post #1438 of 1859
I haven't connected a PC to my D490 yet... but I'm guessing the problem is your computers video card. If your video card can't support larger than that, then you'll have the issue of only selecting so much.

I haven't used mine enough yet (where my new one to replace my broken one just arrived two days ago), but there may be an issue where you can "stretch" the picture for the screen... although that isn't always available on VGA mode on TVs..
post #1439 of 1859
Quote:
Originally Posted by dmcginty View Post

i Guys.
My PS43D450 arrived yesterday and everything is great.
However, I do have one question?
I connected my Dell laptop (Windows 7) via VGA cable and the only two resolutions I can get are 800x600 & 1024x768.

So, when I watch video via YouTube it's in 'extreme' letterbox mode.

Any way round this?
VGA - Component cable?
VGA - HDMI converter box?

How do you all connect your laptops/PC's up?

Thanks

I bought a cheap-o video card with 2 dvi and an HDMI out on it and I go straight HDMI to the tv. 1920x1080 looks bad on it, just like yours. I have to do 1280x720, which is big, but also readable. Just the sad fact of owning a 720p tv. My 32" Samsung 1080p LCD looks much better, but I'm not too upset. Video still looks great. I have the 51".

If you want, I'll find that card for you, I remember it being like $30. For PC. For my Mac I have a mini-DVI to HDMI adapter that works amazingly well.
post #1440 of 1859
I set to 1360x768 via HDMI and everything looks great. Can't you select this res on yours?


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Originally Posted by maskedavenger View Post

I bought a cheap-o video card with 2 dvi and an HDMI out on it and I go straight HDMI to the tv. 1920x1080 looks bad on it, just like yours. I have to do 1280x720, which is big, but also readable. Just the sad fact of owning a 720p tv. My 32" Samsung 1080p LCD looks much better, but I'm not too upset. Video still looks great. I have the 51".

If you want, I'll find that card for you, I remember it being like $30. For PC. For my Mac I have a mini-DVI to HDMI adapter that works amazingly well.
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