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post #1471 of 1859
Does the PN43D450 accept a 24p signal?
post #1472 of 1859
Yes it does!
post #1473 of 1859
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Originally Posted by Gatsou View Post

Yes it does!

Is that good even though it is a 720p set?
post #1474 of 1859
Yes, 24p is very well handled, no judder. I own a euro version though, and the 24p issue was fixed by a software update. Don't know about the US version...
post #1475 of 1859
I'm not too sure, but on my Canadian (same as US I believe), the 24p settings looks fantastic. Where we haven't had any firmware updates, it is possible that the Euro model required the correction and the NA didn't. Just speculating on that. I do wish they could add movie playback to the NA model somehow though.

Even though I already have a 1000 ways to play movies on my television already. :P
post #1476 of 1859
Yes, I think it's possible that the EU version needed an update, where the US version didn't. They do differ in some aspects!
post #1477 of 1859
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Originally Posted by pestul View Post

II do wish they could add movie playback to the NA model somehow though.

I own PN51d490 (US model) and it does play movies from USB.
post #1478 of 1859
Hi all,

I got the PS51D495 yesterday, out of the box straight away i was impressed. I am running off scart input, i expected a severe degrade in quality but was very surprised.

Won't be running off of scart for long as our HD box is on the way

I used grimmys settings as good starting point and picture quality has already improved.

All in all, very pleased

Anyone tried the 3D on this model yet?
post #1479 of 1859
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Originally Posted by U-2 View Post

I own PN51d490 (US model) and it does play movies from USB.

Yeah, the 450 (non-3D) models do not in North America. Seems like a simple update would resolve that though. I'm going to give it another whirl of calibrating my 450 at Cell 10 or the highest in NA. Previously I found it to be far too bright, but I think my TV (PN43D450) has aged like fine wine and the picture has improved since I first turned it on.
post #1480 of 1859
Today I purchased a Samsung PN43D450A2DXZA (whew, where do they get these model numbers). Anyway I see what I would describe as green shimmering noise on the darker areas. Is this a defect, calibration issue, or just how plasmas work?
post #1481 of 1859
how do you check the firmware of pn51d450?
post #1482 of 1859
Hi there.

I am a new forum user here, but have been reading this forum and most of all this thread. Thanks to this thread i went out last friday and got myself the PS43D455 wich would be the same as the PN43D450 i think.

I have never owned a plasma tv before, but have had a couple of LCD and LED tv's.
And all i can say is that this new plasma is the best tv i have had so far.
Took me all of 15 minutes to unpack it and install it, and it looks great hanging on my wall. So far I am very impressed with it, from user interface to PQ.

Now, my only worry is this break in period. When i went to the store and got it, they told me that break in was not needed, but I am trying to break it in gently just because they said it was not needed :-)
Read through the manual, wich is rather on the thin and useless side and could not find anything about breaking in the set.

I have read this whole thread and to be honest I am confused.. so here is my gripe.. How long do I break it in for? I have seen mentioned 100,150,200 all the way up to 1000 hours..
So can you tell me the best settings and for how long I should break it in for?
I really like this set and want the best out of it

With regards
Glenn
post #1483 of 1859
Steve: My guess is that the green noise is because the green sub-pixels are light up when everything should be black. That is, the TV is trying to show an almost black image when it should be black. This is the way the set works: dark tones are shown by alternating green, red and blue subpixels in a noisy pattern. Depending on white balance, near-black may only activate green sub-pixels.


You want to adjust brigthness down so that black is true black without any colored noise.

Also if you find that dark areas are tinted green, you might want to increase red and blue offest in white balance.
post #1484 of 1859
Can anyone please tell me how this set fares in 3D mode compared to the 51D550?
I am seriously considering this set as the money i could save could go to the purchase of a 3D blu-ray player.
Please please please let me know, I have got £550 burning a hole in my wallet! and not many people in blighty have this TV or are willing to talk about it.
post #1485 of 1859
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Originally Posted by bosoxi View Post

can i fix my hdmi calibration failure with a flash drive(that has the checker board pattern on it) ?? if so can someone please explain to me how i don't want to screw up the tv


anyone??? anyone???
post #1486 of 1859
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Originally Posted by Grimmy84 View Post

Steve: My guess is that the green noise is because the green sub-pixels are light up when everything should be black. That is, the TV is trying to show an almost black image when it should be black. This is the way the set works: dark tones are shown by alternating green, red and blue subpixels in a noisy pattern. Depending on white balance, near-black may only activate green sub-pixels.

You want to adjust brigthness down so that black is true black without any colored noise.

Also if you find that dark areas are tinted green, you might want to increase red and blue offest in white balance.

I will make some adjustments and see if I can get rid of it thanks. I will note that I really cannot see them when watching at a normal viewing distance.
post #1487 of 1859
Discovered a great tip for all D450 owners (PN/PS and size does not matter - only applicable to 450 though)

While digging around in the service menu, discovered that if you set the model number to PD550 you can now enable cinema smooth on 1080p/24 input

It really really does reduce judder, tested on wall-e, up and lord of the rings blurays.

The to picar films, wall-e and up used to judder badly, but now they are as smooth as silk

All other functions tested and working!

you will have to redo all your settigns for picture/sound when you exit from the service menu.
post #1488 of 1859
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Originally Posted by classical View Post

spider pig, you should just use "normal viewing" settings rather than dimming everything so that the picture is basically unwatchable due to fears about burn-in. Use some of the setting posted here as a starting point, such as Nutdotnet's settings--except I would just leave the White Balance (W/B) settings at default (all at 25) because W/B varies quite a bit from set to set for Samsung plasmas (whereas the basic settings are more consistent) so there's no point in using someone else's W/B settings. You can fine-tune some of the basic settings using a "calibration" disc, of course.

Also read the following posts by Doug Blackburn, a respected calibrator who contributes frequently to this forum. In the first post, he addresses the belief that you need to break-in a plasma (specifically about the need to run a break-in disc, but the points he makes can be understood generally as well); in the second post, he talks about the Cell Light setting.

So with my 43d490 that has cell light that can go to 20...I should put it at 10...and then calibrate ftl using Contrast? Also, someone mentioned you can switch tehe 450 to d550 to get cinema smooth, is this not available for the 490?

Thanks in advance
post #1489 of 1859
Thought I'd throw in my settings for my PN51D490.

I've exhaustively experimented with some recommendations from here and other places. I've never been quite happy with the picture, but here's what I've found to be pretty good. All my issues with the picture were finally alleviated when I switched colorspace from AUTO to Native, and then calibrated with AVS-709 from there...

Movie Mode
Cell - 10
Contrast - 86
Brightness - 56
Sharpness - 0
Color - 47
Tint - G42/R58
Gamma - 0
Colorspace - Native
Color Temp - Warm 2

W/B (Thanks to NutDotNet... don't have a proper device to calibrate this, but these settings look good to me)
R-Off 23
G-Off 25
B-Off 22
R-Gain 15
G-Gain 27
B-Gain 25

(Of course, all other crap options turned off)
post #1490 of 1859
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Originally Posted by cra9eman View Post

Thought I'd throw in my settings for my PN51D490.

I've exhaustively experimented with some recommendations from here and other places. I've never been quite happy with the picture, but here's what I've found to be pretty good. All my issues with the picture were finally alleviated when I switched colorspace from AUTO to Native, and then calibrated with AVS-709 from there...

Movie Mode
Cell - 10
Contrast - 86
Brightness - 56
Sharpness - 0
Color - 47
Tint - G42/R58
Gamma - 0
Colorspace - Native
Color Temp - Warm 2

W/B (Thanks to NutDotNet... don't have a proper device to calibrate this, but these settings look good to me)
R-Off 23
G-Off 25
B-Off 22
R-Gain 15
G-Gain 27
B-Gain 25

(Of course, all other crap options turned off)

Good, you have the 51" Could you please let me know how the 3D performance is, in regards to cross talk? I have 3 days left to buy this telly and i would need user inputs. thanks.
post #1491 of 1859
I'd comment on the 3D (having the 3d 51" model myself) but I just haven't had enough sources to view on it to truly speak to it.

That said, the little bit I have watched I didn't notice any major crosstalk issues; I thought the 3D picture was pretty good.

If anyone has any recommendations on some good 3D sources (that don't cost huge money... like 3D blu rays tend to), I'd love to hear them. My only luck so far has been Qriocity through my Sony Blu Ray player (where rentals are $7 for a 3D movie... kind of steep) and the programming on Comcast's 3D channel - which is fun to check out, but not that exciting to watch after a few minutes. Most of it is documentaries (which is great if that's your thing...)

I know Vudu has 3D movies, however, my bluray player doesn't stream the 3D ones from Vudu... just their regular and HD versions...
post #1492 of 1859
Hi Folks!

First of all, thanks a lot. Very good Thread.
I just brought home the PS51D450 and I'm really happy with it.
After 2 Panasonic Plasmas, this is my first Sammy.
It'll replace my 42" 720p Panasonic from 2008.

HD Content, either via Cable and Bluray looks fantastic. Viewing Distance about 7-8 feet. Imax Opening of Dark Knight blows me away.
I'm using Viera Cast via Panasonic BDP. Even Youtube looks really good.

The only complaint I have so far...the 51" is already shrinking :-)
post #1493 of 1859
hey guys just noticed my tv flashes when i turn it on.

like the first second of turning on you can see a flash and then it would turn normally on.

i just got this tv brand new december, don't tell me that it's already messed up.

does everyone elses tv do the same?
post #1494 of 1859
mines more of and extra bright picture and weird looking color .. 30 seconds in or so the picture snaps back into the way its suppose to be...it doesn't happen all the time but it does happen what could it be?
post #1495 of 1859
I'd like to share my experience on the 3d (51d490), it's good and am overly satisfied with it considering it's my first plasma and 3d panel. I haven't had the chance to watch 3d blurays coz i have none at the moment but tried 3d clips downloaded over the net and so far it's looking great. I also tried 3d gaming on my ps3 (uncharted 3, stardust and god of war origins) and it's fantastic taking your game to another level. Overall am pretty much satisfied with my panel.
post #1496 of 1859
I have the Samsung PN43D490. I'm in West Africa and when i connect my HD cable box through the hdmi cable i get this error message. "Mode Not Supported. The resolution is not supported on this TV. Please change the resolution."

does anybody have a solution??
post #1497 of 1859
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Originally Posted by fopoku2k2 View Post

I have the Samsung PN43D490. I'm in West Africa and when i connect my HD cable box through the hdmi cable i get this error message. "Mode Not Supported. The resolution is not supported on this TV. Please change the resolution."

does anybody have a solution??

This error message could appear if the box is set to a resolution the TV cannot accept. Check the resolution of your cable box.
post #1498 of 1859
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Originally Posted by bosoxi View Post

mines more of and extra bright picture and weird looking color .. 30 seconds in or so the picture snaps back into the way its suppose to be...it doesn't happen all the time but it does happen what could it be?

I think you can rest easy that it isn't any kind of fault, as my European model PS51D450 does exactly the same. I bought it here in the UK in the summer of 2011 and never noticed the effect until recently, when ambient temperatures have become lower. I've found that with room temperatures below about 15C (60F) I get the effect you describe, but with temperatures above this the set just comes on with normal brightness and colour straight away.

I'm no expert but I think it has to do with the plasma gases needing to reach their normal operating temperatures. Perhaps the weird colour is pixel misfiring during this time? I don't know why the brightness should be increased during warm-up, but maybe there is a circuit that kicks in to help things along in low temperature conditions?

Perhaps a more knowledgable forum member could comment.
Getting great PQ from this set
post #1499 of 1859
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Originally Posted by Blackadder_100 View Post

I think you can rest easy that it isn't any kind of fault, as my European model PS51D450 does exactly the same. I bought it here in the UK in the summer of 2011 and never noticed the effect until recently, when ambient temperatures have become lower. I've found that with room temperatures below about 15C (60F) I get the effect you describe, but with temperatures above this the set just comes on with normal brightness and colour straight away.

I'm no expert but I think it has to do with the plasma gases needing to reach their normal operating temperatures. Perhaps the weird colour is pixel misfiring during this time? I don't know why the brightness should be increased during warm-up, but maybe there is a circuit that kicks in to help things along in low temperature conditions?

Perhaps a more knowledgable forum member could comment.
Getting great PQ from this set


oh good thanks for the reply ..yes in the morning when i turn on the tv the room is cold (saving on oil lol) so im sure the rooms around 60 or a little below...i put on an extra layer of clothing to keep heat costs down i didn't know my tv needed a sweater too lol
post #1500 of 1859
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Originally Posted by lungwun View Post

Can anyone please tell me how this set fares in 3D mode compared to the 51D550?
I am seriously considering this set as the money i could save could go to the purchase of a 3D blu-ray player.
Please please please let me know, I have got £550 burning a hole in my wallet! and not many people in blighty have this TV or are willing to talk about it.

I love it. I've owned mine for about 3 weeks now and am playing my 3d movies from a hardrive plugged strait into the set. I saw my friends 550 which is full 1080 not 720 and could NOT tell the difference. Even from 3 feet it looked the same to me. Granted I didnt bring my tv over and put them side by side but we tried a movie that we both have (Star wars) and it looked the same to me from about 8 feet which is where both our tvs are located. These are both the 51 inch model as well.
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