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post #211 of 1859
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do you mean skin tones? or whites like walls and such? what settings do you have your tv on?
post #212 of 1859
Aye, I'm looking for settings through a color meter or disc, if anyone has done so...thanks : )
post #213 of 1859
Hey guys , just picked up the new samsung 51d440 today. I was a little stumped i couldnt find any information on the set with the exception of the samsung canada website!! Anyways, anyone really know the difference between the 440 and 450? extra hdmi ? I know the 490 is a completely different set but as for the 440 and 450 I can't find any differences. To the t.v.

I do have a decent amount of experience with newer tv's from a samsung pn50b450, to a the lgpk550, and to the toshiba regza 46inch lcd/led this tv blows them away! The b450 i had a couple years ago was a solid tv ended up selling it to a buddy of mine thinking the pk550 was an improvement (1080p, an extra hdmi, usb port etc.) What a mistake that was, worst tv ever, line bleeding was horrendous, IR was a b!tch with objects only on for 2 minutes and the lip sync was annoying at times, reflections were brutal and i can keep going on haha . Figuring I thought id' change from plasma to lcd/led i went with the toshiba regza 46" and granted on still images the image looked sharp but playoff football and hockey, the wii, and seeing the image wash out while viewing off angle was enough for me to take it back and get this set, plus going from 2 50" tvs and downsizing to a 46" wasn't something my eyes were going to get use to.

So in comes the 51" and boy right off the get go even the box was light enough for me to carry and put in my car. Took it home, unboxed it and set it up on the wall mount within 5 minutes. Hooked it up, adjusted the inputs and right away lowered contrast and brightness (60 con 45 bright) hooked up the blu ray and slapped avatar in. Its been on loop for a few hours now and i keep walking by it staring at it. Looks awesome. Watched some HD programming, looks great samsung did a nice job with the thin frame but the extra inch on screen size. Also *knock on wood* no samsung buzz. Going to go slap some hockey on and I'll come bring up some photos.
post #214 of 1859
I just picked up the 43 450 last week. Haven't broken it in too much. But so far i really love this tv for the price I paid. Works perfectly as my late night blu-ray watching Tv. I ordered the WoW disney disk to do some more indepth tweaking once I put a little more time in with the TV but these are my current settings:

Cell light:8
Contrast:75
Brightness:52 (now 58)
Sharpness:0
Color:52 (now 48)
Tint:G50/R50 (now G57/R43)

Picture Options:
Color Tone:Warm 1
Size:Screen Fit
Digital Noise Filter: Off

Advnaced Settings:

Black Tone: off
Dynamic Contrast: off
Gamma:+1
Color space:Native
White Balance:default
Flesh Tone:0
Edge Enchancment: off

*Edit*

Updated with new settings after running the Wow disney disk.
post #215 of 1859
Can anyone confirm if this TV has 5.1 Dolby Digital pass-through with an optical toslink?
post #216 of 1859
Going to get the D440 from Costco and take it over to my friends house. I sure she'll enjoy it. Thanks to everyone for your input, it helped make the decision easier.
post #217 of 1859
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by lazytitans1 View Post

Hey guys , just picked up the new samsung 51d440 today. I was a little stumped i couldnt find any information on the set with the exception of the samsung canada website!! Anyways, anyone really know the difference between the 440 and 450? extra hdmi ? I know the 490 is a completely different set but as for the 440 and 450 I can't find any differences. To the t.v.

I do have a decent amount of experience with newer tv's from a samsung pn50b450, to a the lgpk550, and to the toshiba regza 46inch lcd/led this tv blows them away! The b450 i had a couple years ago was a solid tv ended up selling it to a buddy of mine thinking the pk550 was an improvement (1080p, an extra hdmi, usb port etc.) What a mistake that was, worst tv ever, line bleeding was horrendous, IR was a b!tch with objects only on for 2 minutes and the lip sync was annoying at times, reflections were brutal and i can keep going on haha . Figuring I thought id' change from plasma to lcd/led i went with the toshiba regza 46" and granted on still images the image looked sharp but playoff football and hockey, the wii, and seeing the image wash out while viewing off angle was enough for me to take it back and get this set, plus going from 2 50" tvs and downsizing to a 46" wasn't something my eyes were going to get use to.

So in comes the 51" and boy right off the get go even the box was light enough for me to carry and put in my car. Took it home, unboxed it and set it up on the wall mount within 5 minutes. Hooked it up, adjusted the inputs and right away lowered contrast and brightness (60 con 45 bright) hooked up the blu ray and slapped avatar in. Its been on loop for a few hours now and i keep walking by it staring at it. Looks awesome. Watched some HD programming, looks great samsung did a nice job with the thin frame but the extra inch on screen size. Also *knock on wood* no samsung buzz. Going to go slap some hockey on and I'll come bring up some photos.

I downsized from 46 to 43 with this TV, and I couldnt be happier. My living isnt big enough for a 46, but I got it anyways because it was a good price. This 43 fills the room perfectly, and the PQ is simply amazing. I dont have my contrast quite as low, but I have my TV in a bright living room during the daytime, so thats not a big deal. Glad to hear you dont have a buzz either. My TV makes no noises whatsoever unless I mute the tv and put my ear next to it.

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Originally Posted by movies2090 View Post

I just picked up the 43 450 last week. Haven't broken it in too much. But so far i really love this tv for the price I paid. Works perfectly as my late night blu-ray watching Tv. I ordered the WoW disney disk to do some more indepth tweaking once I put a little more time in with the TV but these are my current settings:

Cell light:8
Contrast:75
Brightness:52
Sharpness:0
Color:52
Tint:G50/R50

Picture Options:
Color Tone:Warm 1
Size:Screen Fit
Digital Noise Filter: Off

Advnaced Settings:

Black Tone: off
Dynamic Contrast: off
Gamma:+1
Color space:Native
White Balance:default
Flesh Tone:0
Edge Enchancment: off

Nice, not too far off from what Im using. Im sure your PQ is just as exceptional as mine
post #218 of 1859
Is there an audio adapter or connector for using the D440(D450) optical output to connect to twisted pair audio wires or through the headphone port (if audio in will work in the headphone port)?

My friend has an old Panasonic SA-K33 stereo with the twisted pair speaker wires, which she'd like to use as the speakers for the TV. Right now, I've hooked up her stereo to her digital box, muted the TV, and use the stereo for sound. It works fine, but I'm curious if there isn't a better way for the TV sound to run through her old stereo.
post #219 of 1859
Hi guys,

Been looking for a replacement for my bedroom screen after giving away my 4-year old 37" Olevia to my dad, and I'm getting close to buying this for my bedroom.

I've been contemplating purchasing it locally and just bring it home myself rather than risk damage via shipping (although it would cost less).. A quick question for those of you that bought the TV locally and brought it home. I have an X5 - would this TV (with box of course) fit into my car (with the rear seats folded)?

Any input would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
post #220 of 1859
Thread Starter 
this tv will fit. are you looking at the 43? I got mine to fit into my honda accord, so youll have no problem in an X5
post #221 of 1859
Box my friends 43 inch came in is 44 inches long, 29 inches high, 10 1/2 inches deep.
post #222 of 1859
Cool. Thanks so much guys!
post #223 of 1859
X5 eh, nice ride. I got mine BARELY (51) barely into a torrent.

4 days into having the tv not sure how many hours I have yet, still darn impressed with the set. Can't seem to upload photos here though. Ahwe'll , cranked up the contrast to 70 now and brightness to 52 . Awesome picture. Zero complaints!
post #224 of 1859
What's a good USB Flash Drive for the D440/D450? What USB are you using? Would you recommend that brand? My friend would like to move some music to it and use the drive for updates. She has a Windows Vista, so does NTFS format present any problems? Thanks in advance.
post #225 of 1859
Hey guys, whats everyone using for there settings on the 440/450 ? Also anyone play around with the white balance settings? So far still damn fine. Can't believe how much "depth" the picture shows. Any settings would be appreciated.
post #226 of 1859
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Originally Posted by lazytitans1 View Post

X5 eh, nice ride. I got mine BARELY (51) barely into a torrent.

4 days into having the tv not sure how many hours I have yet, still darn impressed with the set. Can't seem to upload photos here though. Ahwe'll , cranked up the contrast to 70 now and brightness to 52 . Awesome picture. Zero complaints!

Thanks. It is a nice car - 'upgraded' from having an 335i (a blast to drive - I still miss it), but the missus won't have it after going through a couple of northeastern winters.. Lol. She drives it most of the time since I actually commute to work via pub transportation.. sigh..

I actually ended up ordering the 51D450 since it was only about $150 more than the 43. Should arrive next week sometime.

I currently have a Sammy 52" LCD (1080p/60hz) in the livingroom, and I am thinking about replacing that with this 51" set. I can live with losing an inch of real estate, and HDMI ports aren't that important since I run all my HDMI connections through Denon AVR (TW Cablebox, HTPC, 360 and Wii).

I'm assuming that this plasma would serve me better watching sports than my current LCD? I do notice some blur/trail on fast-paced actions in sports, and hoping that this plasma will be much better for watching live sports. Only thing I'm not certain is whether I'll see any noticeable difference in watching movies (BD rips, etc) since I'm going from 1080P to 720P (I sit about 10' from the TV).

What do you guys think?

Thanks again for this thread. You guys really made it comfortable for me to order this model.
post #227 of 1859
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Originally Posted by sparkie99 View Post

Thanks. ...I'm assuming that this plasma would serve me better watching sports than my current LCD? I do notice some blur/trail on fast-paced actions in sports, and hoping that this plasma will be much better for watching live sports.
Thanks again for this thread. You guys really made it comfortable for me to order this model.

The 43 inch doesn't show any blur on the hockey games or NASCAR I watched, sitting about 10 feet from TV, but your larger screen may give different results.

Just using coax until HDMI arrives from monoprice.

I copied the settings from one of the earlier posts and adjusted them to fit my room brightness. Picture seems great even with the coax.
post #228 of 1859
Thread Starter 
PQ will be improved over your LCD. I have the 43, and have no motion blur or trailing while watching live sports. Watched the blackhawks almost complete their comeback last night, and it looked amazing. Movies look amazing since the TV is capable of scaling it to 1080p and handles 24fps Blu Rays just fine. You wont be disappointed in that aspect
post #229 of 1859
I have the problem that with the recent firmware from two days ago, the television does not display gray bars when viewing video files with the internal media player, although I have this option activated. The bars are always black. I have the European version of the 43 inch D450. Does anyone else experience this problem?
post #230 of 1859
Hi, I just picked up the PN43D490 and was wondering if anyone has adjusted their greyscale, or perhaps a professional calibrator has experience with this set. Really looking for some accurate settings, or possibly if anyone could tell me how I could at least do a rudimentary calibration by eye using test screens and filters, or something. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
post #231 of 1859
Purchased the 43" D450 yesterday for the bedroom - it's not a large room and from only a few feet seems pretty huge. Picking up a 59" D550 in the next few weeks for the lounge. Waited patiently for the D series for 4 months after all the crap I had with 2 x LED's. Stoked with the D450 - here's my review posted on Amazon.co.uk. Hope it might help anyone considering the unit!

"This is a brilliant television for the price. I purchased it yesterday and have spent many hours with it, testing all sorts of content: both blu-ray, xvid / divx (std def) and MP4's - 720p (via a PS3 and Samsung D5500 blu-ray player)and the FPS game 'Crysis 2', also on the PS3. It has so far exceeded my expectations.

I can only compare it to previous purchases and experiences: first is a 4 year old LG LCD (720p), the second a Sony EX710 (EX712 in the UK) purchased in December '10 LED and swiftly returned due to severe back-light uneveness which lead to clouding / 'mura' effect and flash-lighting (clearly visible angular light beams protruding inwards all four edges), then a third - a Samsung C6500 LED in Jan '11, also returned for the same reasons. I am fanatical about watching television in an environment as dark as possible. As close to a cinema as I can get and the white patches / clouding on both displays just drove me nuts. The latter 2 were full HD displays and not cheap by any means - I expected far better. After reading a review of the D8000 LED and the awful clouding even in that unit, I've deducted it's more a by-product of the technology itself: edge lit / thin bevel.

The plasma has better black levels than all of these LCD/LED's. They're not pitch black but certainly acceptable and allow for the image to have plenty of contrast, detail and vivid colours (although I calibrated my display to look as natural as possible, dialing into 'movie' mode immediately - the default setting itself is actually fairly natural and accurate without tweaking required).

The +1" is certainly a benefit and cosmetically a large improvement. I found the C series plasmas (4 to 6 series) to have bevels far too thick which made them unattractive to look at. The increase in screen size with the same overall dimensions ensures the unit looks sleek wherever its placed.

Amazingly, I've not had to even select 'game' mode at all when playing Crysis 2, which requires a lot of fast movement and accuracy being an FPS shooter. So all the video processing leading to the same stellar picture quality is retained, without being forced (as was the case with all the LCD / LED's) to downgrade the PQ to ensure no lag. Hugely impressed with that!

Unfortunately plasma does tend to consume far more energy than LCD (and especially LED) - the reason I opted to go that route with my previous 2 purchases but I have managed to reduce it from the 240w maximum to possibly under 200w due to a huge reduction in the 'cell light' from a default of '13' for movie mode to 3-4 (at night with the lights off). The Sony EX710/712 46" will only consume 70w after calibration but the unacceptable backlight issues inherent in edge-lit (not local dimming) LED technology, it's something I'm afraid the planet will need to live with! The unit after many hours of use was still completely cool to the touch, I could feel no heat dissipation whatsoever. Comments by C series owners have stated that the units produced a lot of heat (and I can verify this after experiencing a 50" C6500 plasma) - not the case here at all.

Forum posts on AVSforum.com have mentioned the odd unit can have a directional buzz (also common in the C series): this is only audible when muting the volume and placing your ear right up to the rear of the unit. I presume due to a capacitor which handles power conversion. Nothing out of the ordinary and to be expected.

Some Samsung D series owners on that forum (as of April '11) have also mentioned fluctuating brightness within certain scenes, with this not being due to the eco sensor adjusting the cell light dynamically. My firmware is from March '11 and I have a very interesting option entitled 'Motion Lighting' which modifies the cell light based on scene movement and composition. I've left this to the off setting as it was by default. I can confirm I've see none of these brightness fluctuations at all. Maybe those in US had this within earlier shipments and it'll be corrected with a firmware update.

The ONLY criticism I would level at this D450 (and this review will effect the C490 too since they're the same panel with the former not 3d-ready) is the judder upon panning within scenes, which could be better. It's an improvement over the aged LCD, but not on a par with the LED's (which had 100Hz processing). At this price point however you cannot expect perfection.

The OSD menus and navigating the various options could be zippier. There is a noticeable lag there too, but it's a small issue.

Interestingly enough even though this unit is only HD-ready, my external devices consider it to be 1080p! My PS3 asked me at initial setup (via HDMI) if I could see the content displayed to which I could - that is now my resolution default. On the point of HD-ready vs full HD, the 450d still looks superb when viewing blu-ray and you'd be hard-pressed to spot the difference unless you have one placed right next to the other.

The D450 has the same in-built media player as that of their blu-ray units, I'm sure most are aware of this by now. You can connect any type of USB hard-drive (whether 3.5" with own power supply or laptop sized drawing power from the TV) and you're able to watch movies in all popular CODEC types in use today (divx / xvid / h264) etc. It's a decent user interface: locating and accessing the media is user-friendly. The D450/D490 only has 1 USB connection but that's enough.

All-in-all a very capable television and one that should serve you well for the next half a decade before 'OLED' technology becomes affordable for the masses.

Highly recommended: 5/5 stars."

I also opted for a further 3 year service plan which cost an additional 10% of the purchase price. Bargain. Stuff can go wrong with TV's
post #232 of 1859
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Originally Posted by felix19 View Post

I have the problem that with the recent firmware from two days ago, the television does not display gray bars when viewing video files with the internal media player, although I have this option activated. The bars are always black. I have the European version of the 43 inch D450. Does anyone else experience this problem?

From the user manual it states the grey bars are only visible when watching TV-based content. Nothing else.
post #233 of 1859
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Originally Posted by edward_moffet View Post

Hi, I just picked up the PN43D490 and was wondering if anyone has adjusted their greyscale, or perhaps a professional calibrator has experience with this set. Really looking for some accurate settings, or possibly if anyone could tell me how I could at least do a rudimentary calibration by eye using test screens and filters, or something. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

I'm sure many have been looking but there's nothing out there yet.
post #234 of 1859
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Originally Posted by andrewbaddeley View Post

I'm sure many have been looking but there's nothing out there yet.

Sorry if this sounds like a dumb question lol, but do you mean that theres not a lot of that model out there yet or not a lot of settings, I figured it was the latter but the former would explain why that is haha.
post #235 of 1859
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Originally Posted by andrewbaddeley View Post

From the user manual it states the grey bars are only visible when watching TV-based content. Nothing else.

Thank you Andrew, also for the review which was great to read. TV based I suspect means content that is being played via HDMI in this case. So the way to go would probably be getting an additional media player which hasd an option to send a 4:3 signal to the TV so the TV can add the gray bars. Gray bars with 21:9 will be impossible though because I do not think there is a media player that can give out a signal raw like that. I do not understand why it is not possible to just turn the bars gray when using the internal media player. It would make the TV so much better by eliminating any noticeable uneven phosphor aging and it would be easy to add.
post #236 of 1859
Hey guys,

we'll maybe i spoke to soon but i've had the tv for nearly 2 weeks and mine is buzzing like a bee. I had first said it wasn't a buzzer but boy this thing buzz's louder then my old b450! Also noticing a little horizontal line bleeding on certain colours. Thats just me being picky though, absolutely nothing for me to be concerned about haha. Those are really the only down side's so far *knock on wood* still loving the black levels on this and the picture gives tons of depth looks almost 3d at some times. Image retention is very VERY minimal, watched the nfl network for 3 days straight and that has the ticker on the bottom, sure i had a faint outline of the NFL football logo, but it only appeared on white screens & is 100% gone now. The wife watched some movies and left it on the menu afterward and again, nothing the pk550 I had would of sketch and etched its image into the screen.

Any solid settings with the white balance yet? I have not played around with it. Any advanced settings too? *service menu adjustments is what i mean*

Also playing the nintendo wii (with component cables<--- woo) on this thing is a million times better then the led/lcd i came from.
post #237 of 1859
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Originally Posted by andrewbaddeley View Post

Purchased the 43" D450

Interestingly enough even though this unit is only HD-ready, my external devices consider it to be 1080p! My PS3 asked me at initial setup (via HDMI) if I could see the content displayed to which I could - that is now my resolution default.

This TV can accept up to a 1920x1080p signal, so, of course, 'you could see it'; that doesn't mean the other devices 'consider the TV 1080p', the TV simply doesn't 'know', that is why it asked you, if you could see the signal, starting with the best quality.

All signals are converted to the TV's display resolution of 1024x768p.
post #238 of 1859
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Originally Posted by eckohb View Post

PQ will be improved over your LCD. I have the 43, and have no motion blur or trailing while watching live sports. Watched the blackhawks almost complete their comeback last night, and it looked amazing.

Yes, indeed.

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Movies look amazing since the TV is capable of scaling it to 1080p and handles 24fps Blu Rays just fine. You wont be disappointed in that aspect

No, the TV doesn't scale it (a movie (or any program)) to 1080p, since the TV is not 1080p. I think you meant something like 'Movies look amazing since the TV is capable of scaling 1080p to 768p very well.'
post #239 of 1859
Hello all. Long time lurker, first time poster. I've been in the market for a new TV for a while now and with the help of this forum was able to make a decision, so thank you to everyone that has posted.

Now on to the review. I ended up purchasing the PN51D450. I am very impressed with the value of this TV. I was able to see it in several different stores locally sitting next to 1080p plasmas and 1080p LED 240 Hz TV's. I was blown away by the picture quality first. From several feet back it was almost indistinguishable from the 1080p sets. I first thought this might have been due to the video source the first store was using, but after viewing it at two other stores I was greeted with the same outstanding picture.

Fast motion is amazing, no blurring, tearing or artifacts that I have seen on multiple different sources, from my HTPC all the way down to an original Xbox. Sports look amazing although I don't watch too much. Even SD content looks pretty darn good.

So far I have not noticed a single issue with rising blacks or fluctuating bright levels. As for the overall black levels, they are amazing for a TV in the price range as far as I am concerned. Not to bezel black levels, but good enough for the majority of people. You still get quite the contrast range.

The on board speakers are a little lacking, but that was kind of expected with a TV this thin. They do sound clear on the highs and mids, there is just a lack of bass, but my sound system takes care of that problem. I have not had a problem with buzzing like some people. If I mute the TV and place my ear to the back of it I can hear the faintest buzz, but who watches TV like that?

Glare could be a problem for some people. It definitely does not have as good a filter as the higher end models. As long as you can keep the direct sun off it is not too bad though. I have 2 huge 6 x 12 foot windows with cheap blinds by the TV and the glare is pretty easy to manage.

I have also gamed for several hours playing Dead Space 2. This game has lots of contrast between light and dark areas and makes good use of shadows. This game looks simply amazing on this TV. Crysis also plays very well as stated by a previous poster. Furthermore I have seen no need to put it in Game Mode. The lag, for me, was not an issue at all.

I did have a slight issue with the first TV I bought. The picture was amazing, no problems there. What I had was an intermittent sound issue. For the first 30 minutes or so the sound was fine. After that it would start to get what I can only describe a a "digital static" that made the audio sound horrible. Letting the TV sit overnight would cure the problem for the first 30 minutes then came back. I returned the TV and exchanged it for another one. I like this thing so much I was more than willing to give it another shot. So far so good, no issues with this one at all.

I'm also happy to report that burn/image retention is almost nonexistent. I screwed up and fell asleep the first night while watching a DVD. I woke up 4-5 hours later with the DVD menu just sitting there. Fearing the worst I scrambled for the remote and turned off the TV. I couldn't see anything on the screen so I turned it back on to a black screen. Nothing burned in. I scrolled the white and black bars and again could see no burn/ir at all. I was more than pleased with this.

For anyone having a hard time justifying spending over a grand on a TV, or someone wanting to get into plasmas, I can't recommend this one enough. All of my friends are blown away by how good it looks and one of them just bought the 43" model for his bedroom. Hope this review helps someone out there.
post #240 of 1859
So, I posted on this forum about settings and I can't find or remeber where I have posted my questions. So, I am reposting them.


I can't seem to use the "film mode" settings while using HDMI from my TV to my Blu ray or able to use the HDMI settings in the menu settings. Is there something I am missing.

Also, where can I find some color settings for Game on.

Ill do some more testing on the film mode tonight and hopefully by then I would have an answer thanks.

I have the Samsung 450
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