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post #241 of 1859
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Originally Posted by unblood View Post

I can't seem to use the "film mode" settings while using HDMI from my TV to my Blu ray or able to use the HDMI settings in the menu settings. Is there something I am missing.
Believe I found the answer. Film Mode is only for 480i/p input modes?
post #242 of 1859
hey guys i am planning to buy this plasma but i have one question. Does this tv support NTFS format disk? appreciated.
post #243 of 1859
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Originally Posted by karan_736 View Post

hey guys i am planning to buy this plasma but i have one question. Does this tv support NTFS format disk? appreciated.

yes,support NTFS format.

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post #244 of 1859
nice. thanks.
post #245 of 1859
I am going to calibrate my PS51D450 with help of a colorimeter soon. (eye one 2). Altough screens are all individual, I think you all might have good use for my calibrated settings as a starting point at least.

However, I might calibrate it in 1366*768 from my htpc (I also use that resolution for the xbox). I am not sure, but it seems that the normal resolutions (720p, 1080p) applyes some sort of undefeatable noise reduction. Especially, I find the faces to lack detail compared to if i feed it a pc resolution. I know that Samsung 2010 plasmas had this problem but that it was partly fixed with a firmware upgrade.

Note that I have the EU version.

Have anyone elese experience this lack of detail that seem to result from a noise reduction that is still there even if you turn it all of in the settings?
post #246 of 1859
@Grimmy84, what about the buzz in your european version? And what about picture quality in SD dvb-t? Thanks.
post #247 of 1859
buying this tv tonight. looked over the specs. what is the difference between the 450 and 490 besides 3d and $200? i dont like 3d and i dont like the 3d upconversion. other than that, are they pretty much the same? thanks
post #248 of 1859
Hi! I´m planning to buy a samsung 51D450.
The use will be watched mkv & bd disks at 24fps. I had readed that this tv has motion flickering when watches 24p material.

My cuestion is anybody has saw any option called "cinema smooth" o "24px4" at service menu?
This option is in c450 pannel and is possible that in this pannel is there too.

Excuse for my poor english.

Regards from Spain!
post #249 of 1859
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Originally Posted by tommyxgun View Post

buying this tv tonight. looked over the specs. what is the difference between the 450 and 490 besides 3d and $200? i dont like 3d and i dont like the 3d upconversion. other than that, are they pretty much the same? thanks

That's what the research I did led me to believe. They seem to have the same panel, same processing, etc. You don't get the better panel with the Crystal HD Engine and CS till you step up to the D550 or above. Depending on where you look the D490 might have 1 more HDMI port. I can't remember from when I looked at it in the store. That said, I am more than satisfied with my D450.
post #250 of 1859
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Originally Posted by Javi555 View Post

Hi! I´m planning to buy a samsung 51D450.
The use will be watched mkv & bd disks at 24fps. I had readed that this tv has motion flickering when watches 24p material.

My cuestion is anybody has saw any option called "cinema smooth" o "24px4" at service menu?
This option is in c450 pannel and is possible that in this pannel is there too.

Excuse for my poor english.

Regards from Spain!

Everything I have read leads me to believe that you cannot get CS on anything less than the D550. I have yet to see any posts on any forums where people have talked about doing it either. I have not accessed the service menu on the D450 to verify that though.

I have several Blu-ray rips that play completely smooth on my D450 hooked to my computer. I don't know if this would expose the 24p issue that people report or if you need to be watching from an actual blu-ray player to cause it. Anyone have any input on that?
post #251 of 1859
How's the screen door effect on this TV? Thinking about getting one in a month or soon.
post #252 of 1859
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Originally Posted by kenwood88 View Post

yes,support NTFS format.

Is that the 43 in or the 51 in?

If you don't mind...can you post more photos?

I'm really interested in purchasing the 43 in but I'm concerned about the glare even though i don't have any windows behind me...i do have some lamps i sometimes turn on.
post #253 of 1859
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Originally Posted by Rlmendez20 View Post

How's the screen door effect on this TV? Thinking about getting one in a month or soon.

I have the 43 in a bedroom and do not notice it past 4 or 5 feet away.
post #254 of 1859
Thread Starter 
screen door effect? is that like seeing the individual pixels?
post #255 of 1859
Yep.
post #256 of 1859
Thread Starter 
I dont notice the pixels unless im within five feet. i dont sit that close at anytime, so its not noticeable at all to me, on XBOX or from the cable box. I will say that I have experienced a little IR after leaving ESPN on all weekend, but the scrolling options got rid of it.
post #257 of 1859
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Originally Posted by eckohb View Post

I dont notice the pixels unless im within five feet. i dont sit that close at anytime, so its not noticeable at all to me, on XBOX or from the cable box. I will say that I have experienced a little IR after leaving ESPN on all weekend, but the scrolling options got rid of it.

I went to BB and didn't notice them either. I'll probably end up getting the panasonic though.
post #258 of 1859
Thread Starter 
to each his own! good luck with whatever you bring home
post #259 of 1859
Just brought home the 51D450A2D. Reading more and more comments the '11 Samsung plasmas not needing a burn in period. Not looking forward to 50-100 hours in the dark haha but anyone here not done it and experienced problems?
post #260 of 1859
Thread Starter 
what do you mean? 50-100 hours in the dark?
post #261 of 1859
Just talking about the picture settings. Brightness, Sharpness, Color turned down

According to the samsungplasmatvfaq site:

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Not all plasma owners believe a break-in period is necessary for the later generations of Samsung plasma sets. The Samsung factory supports this view. Samsung's Support FAQ, as of 2007, states: "Samsung Plasma TVs do not require a break-in period."

Doesnt sound like I need to do this. Just dont want to start off on the wrong foot with my first Plasma

Also firmware update needed?
post #262 of 1859
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Originally Posted by Jefe21 View Post

Just talking about the picture settings. Brightness, Sharpness, Color turned down

According to the samsungplasmatvfaq site:



Doesnt sound like I need to do this. Just dont want to start off on the wrong foot with my first Plasma

Also firmware update needed?

I didn't bother doing the break in procedure on mine. There seemed to be enough people that agreed it was a waste of time and power I felt it was safe. I am happy to report that after several weeks there seems to be no side effects. I have seen absolutely no image retention when playing computer games for an hour or more. I also watch a lot of comedy central and their logo in the corner is big and bright. There has never been a hint of IR from that either. Several friends have 2 year or so old plasmas and are amazed at the lack of IR on this set. I have been actively looking every day for something I can call a fault on this TV and have been unable to find anything. Bang for the buck, this is one tough TV to beat.

I have yet to see and mention of a firmware update for this TV yet.

In case anyone cares, going from the top of my head I'm running Movie Mode with Warm 1 for color. Brightness around 50. Contrast around 80. Sharpness 0. Cell Light 8 or 9 depending on ambient light. All other dynamic features off. Pixel Orbiter at 1 minute. The quality to me is amazing. Plenty of color and good contrast between the light and dark areas. Colors seem to be really accurate as well.
post #263 of 1859
Awesome, Ill have to go through the specs tonight and adjust mine
post #264 of 1859
I've read everyone's settings, it seems to me, that some (many?) are geared for day viewing.
Since I didn't get to try all of them, I was wondering if any of the settings are optimized for evening viewing? (or night would be ok, also.)

I am using one the settings listed with the color dialed down a bit (I don't have the paper with me), and am fairly happy with it.
So far, just using a Comcast Motorola HD DVR. The black level doesn't seem as good as a few have described.

What I recall the most is the blank screen for Comcast's screen saver, which might not be black, though.
Secondarily is Samsung's blank screen, when it is negotiating the HDMI 'handshake' for a few seconds.

I saw a night scene, but there were many city lights. If there happens to be some night scenes, I'll pause the DVR; I'm not counting on a variety at this time, though.
I'd like the settings to be optimized for black level w/o losing shadow detail, of course.

The TV is great, I think the black levels should, and maybe could, be at least a little better, since the TV overall is better than I had expected.
Just seeing if the settings could be improved or if there is a defect with the black levels of the TV (item variation should be a small difference).
I've had the TV, PN43D450, for almost a month already. (Settings should be the same across the D450 and D490 line.)

There is no time for a Blu-Ray player and calibration disc..
I didn't want to choose, purchase, and test a BR player, the same month period a got the TV, anyway.
post #265 of 1859
I have now calibrated my PS51450 (european version) using a Eye One 2 colorimeter an ColorHCFR.

I ended up using the 1:1 pixel perfect 1366*768 (native) from my HTPC. In this case i adjusted CMS on my HTPC for near-perfect color accuracy (DeltaE less then 4). If anyone is interested in those settings let me know.

Howevere, I think most of you will prefer 720p or 1080p modes and I will therefore present my findings in those modes.

First I would like to point out that if you indeed use a htpc you should definately use 16 - 235 levels since the TV will clip btb and WTW in anything but native resolution. Using 0 - 255 levels than will seriously distort your gamma tracking and is not recommended.


This is the settings I found were the best

Use the film mode with Warm 2 for the most accuracte starting point.

Cell: 20 (best to max this out and adjust contrast instead)
Contrast: 80 - anything higher and the gamme goes down i bright scenes for a washed out look.

Brightness: 55
Color: 52
Tint: 50/50 (unchanged)
Sharpness: 0 (anything higher will add sharpening effects that reduce quality of the picutre).

Every fancy option should be turned off, such as noise reduction, skin tones etc (my translation might be off because my tv is in Swedish). Most should be off in film mode. However, I had to turn noise reduction on and then off for it to actually be off.

Also set Gamma to -1. This will result in slightly to high gamme in dark scenes (less shadow detail) but any other value will result in very low gamma (note that -1 increases gamma...) for bright scenes and will make the picture look washed out.


Colorspace should be set to auto. Anything else will result in oversaturated and very inaccurate colors, especially green and red.

Once color and tint is set accurately, the colors will be good for everything except green that is a little bit oversaturated (i doubt most people will be disturbed by it). However, red will be close to excellent (deltaE = 4) and blue will be perfect (DeltaE = 1). The secondaries will also be reasonably good.

Now, because this TV set has the option to display one color at a time, you can actually calibrate color and tint without a colorimeter to as good values as with one (according to my measures at least). You only need a calibration disc (such as AVSHD709 google it) with flashing color bars. The trick is that when you show a blue only image, you should adjust color so that the flashing part of the bars is the same color as the surroundings. I strongly recommend that you do this if you do not have a colorimeter. It is the single most important way to improve pq.

I also suggest that you use red to adjust rather than blue (most commonly used) because red is so oversaturated and a little undersaturated blue is easier to live with than oversaturated reds (that makes people look sunburned).


Now for the white balance, this might be quite diffrent from set to set. But i found it to be over-redish as well as to much blue in it and reduced red gain to 10, and blue-gain to 22. This left the dark parts of the picture to low on red so I adjusted red-offset to 28. Everything else was left alone. This resultated in quite accurate greyscale with most deltae below 3, which is excellent. The only problem is a dip in blue at the same point where gamma dips (70 IRE) but this is stil within tolerable limits (deltaE = 8).

To sum up, once calibrated this TV will give give good greyscale, gamma tracking and color. Thanks to the red-green-blue only mode you can accurately set color and tint without a colorimeter (there is not cms to adjust further) and the greyscale should not be far off in warm2 if you simply reduce red-gain.

Still there is much to gain from using a htpc with native resolution (better picture detail) and using a CMS in MPC HC along with a colorimeter. This is the way I use it now, and I get nearly perfect on everything, showing that this tv has great potential.

A final word of advice. Stay far, far away from entertainment or normal modes since they are awful in terms of picture quality. Further, altough warm2 is overreddish the other modes are even less accurate and simply add more blue to picture, given the whole tv a purple touch that is far from pleasing. If you do not like calibrating, then chooose warm 2 and then reduce red gain till you find the reddish tone is removed.


Note: These settings are for evening viewing in a room with controlled lightning. You might want to up gamma to 0 or even +1 in daytime, even though this will result in poor contrast in bright scenes. However, my contrast setting give quite a bright picture and you might want a lower one to reduce eyestrain. You can go lower, but not higher (because of the gamma problems mentioned). Note that with lowered contrast you will need to adjust brightness and color as well.
post #266 of 1859
Good review Grimmy84. You confirmed my suspicions that there is still better PQ left in this set to unlock. I figured that would be the case just judging by the PQ out of the box and eyeballing the settings. I will hopefully soon have the Eye One and can get mine calibrated. The deltaE numbers you posted look darn good for an entry level set. I was already in love with the quality of this TV for the price and your review just made me like it even more.
post #267 of 1859
Going to ask in this thread as well... I'm looking at the D550 but figure they are similar enough. How is this game in regards to gaming? I'm paranoid by IR and this is would be my first plasma. I understand for the first few hundred hours at least to greatly vary what I watch. I have another monitor to use for gaming until then.

Any info would be appreciated.
post #268 of 1859
Hello everyone,

Just got a 51" 450 from Best Buy. The picture is great, but I'm having an unusual problem.

When I hook my Wii up through the component inputs (either one), the picture goes in and out. It's like someone was hitting the TV Input button to switch input. It goes in and out.

Also, there appear to be waves of distortion over the picture before it does this.

The Wii has been hooked up to our previous LCD with the same cable so I'm reasonably sure the connections are good.

Any ideas?
post #269 of 1859
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Originally Posted by andrewbaddeley View Post

Purchased the 43" D450 yesterday for the bedroom - it's not a large room and from only a few feet seems pretty huge. Picking up a 59" D550 in the next few weeks for the lounge. Waited patiently for the D series for 4 months after all the crap I had with 2 x LED's. Stoked with the D450 - here's my review posted on Amazon.co.uk. Hope it might help anyone considering the unit!

"This is a brilliant television for the price. I purchased it yesterday and have spent many hours with it, testing all sorts of content: both blu-ray, xvid / divx (std def) and MP4's - 720p (via a PS3 and Samsung D5500 blu-ray player)and the FPS game 'Crysis 2', also on the PS3. It has so far exceeded my expectations.

I can only compare it to previous purchases and experiences: first is a 4 year old LG LCD (720p), the second a Sony EX710 (EX712 in the UK) purchased in December '10 LED and swiftly returned due to severe back-light uneveness which lead to clouding / 'mura' effect and flash-lighting (clearly visible angular light beams protruding inwards all four edges), then a third - a Samsung C6500 LED in Jan '11, also returned for the same reasons. I am fanatical about watching television in an environment as dark as possible. As close to a cinema as I can get and the white patches / clouding on both displays just drove me nuts. The latter 2 were full HD displays and not cheap by any means - I expected far better. After reading a review of the D8000 LED and the awful clouding even in that unit, I've deducted it's more a by-product of the technology itself: edge lit / thin bevel.

The plasma has better black levels than all of these LCD/LED's. They're not pitch black but certainly acceptable and allow for the image to have plenty of contrast, detail and vivid colours (although I calibrated my display to look as natural as possible, dialing into 'movie' mode immediately - the default setting itself is actually fairly natural and accurate without tweaking required).

The +1" is certainly a benefit and cosmetically a large improvement. I found the C series plasmas (4 to 6 series) to have bevels far too thick which made them unattractive to look at. The increase in screen size with the same overall dimensions ensures the unit looks sleek wherever its placed.

Amazingly, I've not had to even select 'game' mode at all when playing Crysis 2, which requires a lot of fast movement and accuracy being an FPS shooter. So all the video processing leading to the same stellar picture quality is retained, without being forced (as was the case with all the LCD / LED's) to downgrade the PQ to ensure no lag. Hugely impressed with that!

Unfortunately plasma does tend to consume far more energy than LCD (and especially LED) - the reason I opted to go that route with my previous 2 purchases but I have managed to reduce it from the 240w maximum to possibly under 200w due to a huge reduction in the 'cell light' from a default of '13' for movie mode to 3-4 (at night with the lights off). The Sony EX710/712 46" will only consume 70w after calibration but the unacceptable backlight issues inherent in edge-lit (not local dimming) LED technology, it's something I'm afraid the planet will need to live with! The unit after many hours of use was still completely cool to the touch, I could feel no heat dissipation whatsoever. Comments by C series owners have stated that the units produced a lot of heat (and I can verify this after experiencing a 50" C6500 plasma) - not the case here at all.

Forum posts on AVSforum.com have mentioned the odd unit can have a directional buzz (also common in the C series): this is only audible when muting the volume and placing your ear right up to the rear of the unit. I presume due to a capacitor which handles power conversion. Nothing out of the ordinary and to be expected.

Some Samsung D series owners on that forum (as of April '11) have also mentioned fluctuating brightness within certain scenes, with this not being due to the eco sensor adjusting the cell light dynamically. My firmware is from March '11 and I have a very interesting option entitled 'Motion Lighting' which modifies the cell light based on scene movement and composition. I've left this to the off setting as it was by default. I can confirm I've see none of these brightness fluctuations at all. Maybe those in US had this within earlier shipments and it'll be corrected with a firmware update.

The ONLY criticism I would level at this D450 (and this review will effect the C490 too since they're the same panel with the former not 3d-ready) is the judder upon panning within scenes, which could be better. It's an improvement over the aged LCD, but not on a par with the LED's (which had 100Hz processing). At this price point however you cannot expect perfection.

The OSD menus and navigating the various options could be zippier. There is a noticeable lag there too, but it's a small issue.

Interestingly enough even though this unit is only HD-ready, my external devices consider it to be 1080p! My PS3 asked me at initial setup (via HDMI) if I could see the content displayed to which I could - that is now my resolution default. On the point of HD-ready vs full HD, the 450d still looks superb when viewing blu-ray and you'd be hard-pressed to spot the difference unless you have one placed right next to the other.

The D450 has the same in-built media player as that of their blu-ray units, I'm sure most are aware of this by now. You can connect any type of USB hard-drive (whether 3.5" with own power supply or laptop sized drawing power from the TV) and you're able to watch movies in all popular CODEC types in use today (divx / xvid / h264) etc. It's a decent user interface: locating and accessing the media is user-friendly. The D450/D490 only has 1 USB connection but that's enough.

All-in-all a very capable television and one that should serve you well for the next half a decade before 'OLED' technology becomes affordable for the masses.

Highly recommended: 5/5 stars."

I also opted for a further 3 year service plan which cost an additional 10% of the purchase price. Bargain. Stuff can go wrong with TV's

I'm a little late to the party but thanks for this fabulous review. I've always been a little worried about buying a plasma TV, but 500 bucks is such a great deal and won't break the bank. When I saw the D450 in the store I immediately stopped in my tracks. The picture quality was amazing, even more amazing considering the price.

I'm very close to making this my next TV purchase and your review helped answer a lot of questions I had. Glad that it's good for gaming. I don't play too much, but I've been playing a lot of Marvel vs Capcom 3 lately and I'd hate if the TV couldn't handle it.

I was also worried about it being 720p, but the vast majority of my content (Netflix, lol) is only 720p and I think it still looks great.

Has anyone tried hooking this TV up to a computer? Are there any problems with hooking it up through VGA?
post #270 of 1859
Hmmm, just noticed the ferrite cores that came with the TV. I have 2 of them. Should I put one on my Wii component cables to fix my problem from a few posts up?
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