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post #601 of 1859
got my PN51D450 a couple days ago.

paid $699 from amazon.

This is my 2nd hdtv, the first being a 37" Samsung 1080p LCD. most of my viewing experience is with LCDs.

Set it up with grimmys settings (although i cant seem to turn film mode on) with my laptop as a source (dvi connection).

playing 720p mkvs from media player classic hc look fantastic.. i'm very impressed. Was watching platoon and it looked amazing. versus the lcds i've seen, i notice much better black levels which i've found makes a huge difference in picture quality. Dark scenes don't have that white glow like a lot of lcds have, especially around the edges. colors appear better. i really can't fault anything on picture quality. it's not 1080p sharp but 99% of my source isn't 1080p anyway. Also viewing distance is 13ft so i doubt i'd notice the extra pixels much. i'm not an expert on pq but to me the picture looks very accurate and pleasing to the eye.

All that to say, i've very happy with the purchase.

Some notes:
-mine does buzz but not audible over sound of the whats playing
-does not seem to read ntfs usb devices or play video for that matter
-it is kind of wobbly in the provided stand. also doesn't swivel.
-i like how this tv turns on and off. i turned off the melody and now it makes a nice click noise, pretty sweet.
post #602 of 1859
do i put film mode on auto1 or auto2
post #603 of 1859
After reading this forum im def getting the 43D490 with 3D will post more pic once i have it
Thanks guys
post #604 of 1859
Got the PN43D450 for $399 at Best Buy in St. John's, NL Friday. Absolutely love this tv and for the quality and positive impressions it was a steal at that price. It replaced a good LN40A450 from Samsung, but this panel is far superior in just about every way. I could never get around the way my LCD crushed blacks and had slight ghosting. With my lighting conditions, I find the D450 to have excellent detail and inky blacks (wasn't expecting Panasonic levels from this Samsung). I'm still tweaking my settings, but was glad to find this thread with some good calibration details/settings.

Was a little disappointed that Best Buy listed it as having PIP, but I was realist and knew this wasn't a feature often included anymore. I don't know if I have anything bad at all to say about this tv really. I guess more inputs would be nice, but I can easily get a nice switcher from Monoprice. I was a little scared at first when the SD quality looked terrible from my Motorola box.. but I quickly discovered that was due to the Digital Noise Reduction feature being on. Samsung should really have that off by default as it may scare some less than tech savvy people away from these tvs.
post #605 of 1859
Got this tv today and I am impressed! played kill bill and planet earth hdtv recording on usb (I have an asian model - PS43d450)and it is simply brilliant. I used grimmy84's setting and they are very good. Will post some pics shortly
post #606 of 1859
in the uk we have a PS43D450. is that the equivalent of the PN43D450 you have in the states?

edit: lmao, just read the post above mine, i guess it is the same tv
post #607 of 1859
Can the owners of the 43d490 or 51d490, tell me if the red touch of color is bright red or dark red and can you notice it? If anyone has a pic, can you post it. Thanks.
post #608 of 1859
Got a PS51D450 last week with grimmy84's settings. I sit about 4m away and notice more flickering in moving objects compared to my old LG 37" 100Hz LCD.

Does any one notice it also? Is that normal by Plasma or a problem with my eyes/brain or settings on the set ?
post #609 of 1859
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Originally Posted by pestul View Post

Got the PN43D450 for $399 at Best Buy in St. John's, NL Friday. Absolutely love this tv and for the quality and positive impressions it was a steal at that price. It replaced a good LN40A450 from Samsung, but this panel is far superior in just about every way. I could never get around the way my LCD crushed blacks and had slight ghosting. .

What?! $399, here in MB it's on sale for $529!

Actually, I've been torn between this plasma and the LN40D550 1080p LCD. I love the features on this new 5 Series LCD, but not sure if I will enjoy the pic quality as much as Plasma (in store they look very similar).
post #610 of 1859
Grand opening sale for $399 (was on sale for $529 before). I've tried all the settings posted in this thread on my PN43D450 and haven't liked them.. I'll go through it again, but I usually settle on my own calibration in the end. I don't know how you guys can lower the brightness below 48 or so without losing a lot of shadow detail. Anything less than 45 looks worse than my older LCD for details.
post #611 of 1859
I think you should ship that baby to me for $399
post #612 of 1859
Quote:
Originally Posted by long_pn View Post

Got a PS51D450 last week with grimmy84's settings. I sit about 13 feet away and notice more flickering in moving objects compared to my old LG 37" 100Hz LCD.

Does any one notice it also? Is that normal by Plasma or a problem with my eyes/brain or settings on the set ?

I google the web and it seems that I belong to those who see plasma flickering. The question is what I can do to minimize the issue?
post #613 of 1859
long_pn: The only thing that you can do to minimize it is have some dim light source behind or beside the the TV which might help your eyes a bit. You could also turn down the contrast a bit.

I know of the problem but I can only see it if i look at the TV with the corners of my eyes (they are more senstitive).

I understand that if you see it all the time, then it must be a big problem. Apart from minimizing it with proper level of ambient lightbning there is no solution. It is a bit of gamble but this might go away with time as your eyes are adjusting to not seeing what they are not supposed to see, similar to how people used to learn not to see the flicker of old CRT based TVs.

Other plasma have this problem to the same, or higher, extent so LCD is your only option if your eyes can handle it.
post #614 of 1859
this is probably a very dumb question or set of questions:

1. How to use the built in dtv tuner? I have a satellite dish antenna and I connected the coaxial wire coming straight from the antenna to the tv but the tv only seems to be searching for analog signals on autoscan. As the tv has only a single av port, which I am using for another service, I am stuck on connecting my satellite receiver to the tv using an rf cable (and the quality is very low)

2. what is ci port?

the only drawback i feel right now is the lack of multiple av ports. Please help me out
post #615 of 1859
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimmy84 View Post

These are the settings for 1080p24 (should be the same for 720p) based on standard with game mode turned on:

Cell at max
Contrast at 85
Brightness 42
Color 46
tint 50/50 (untouched)
colorspace AUTO (important!) and all fancy options turned off
Warm 2
Gamma 0 for around 2.2-2.3 gamma. You might want to use -1 for dark room and possibly +1 for a really bright room.

in white balance r-offest increased to 26
b-offest reduced to 17
r-gain reduced to 6
b-offest increased to 26
green-offest and g-gain left alone

As in the other mode, what is important is to reduced red until the purle tone is removed. Changing the blues are not as important as they are trade offs anyway because the blue gamme tracking is far from flat. It will be quite good anyway you deal with it.


These settings are EXCELLENT for me. Using your Cinema settings I thought looked great, but now in comparison to these, Cinema looks far too yellow (probably because of Warm 2) and too dark in my opinion.
post #616 of 1859
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimmy84 View Post

long_pn: The only thing that you can do to minimize it is have some dim light source behind or beside the the TV which might help your eyes a bit. You could also turn down the contrast a bit.

I know of the problem but I can only see it if i look at the TV with the corners of my eyes (they are more senstitive).

I understand that if you see it all the time, then it must be a big problem. Apart from minimizing it with proper level of ambient lightbning there is no solution. It is a bit of gamble but this might go away with time as your eyes are adjusting to not seeing what they are not supposed to see, similar to how people used to learn not to see the flicker of old CRT based TVs.

Other plasma have this problem to the same, or higher, extent so LCD is your only option if your eyes can handle it.

Thank Grimmy, I know the flicker of old CRT TVs where the whole screen flickers but here when movies show still scenes then I see nice screen with NO flicker at all. Only moving objects across the screen they flicker. I hope my eyes can adjust with time.
BTW, some mention the judder effect. It might be my case also, so it is the same effect by plasma?
post #617 of 1859
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris100 View Post

Can the owners of the 43d490 or 51d490, tell me if the red touch of color is bright red or dark red and can you notice it? If anyone has a pic, can you post it. Thanks.

Are you referring to some folks saying that the red stands out? I have the 51D490. Just got it 2 weeks back. The red looks good to me. I am using the standard mode, and sometime switch to movie mode during night. Colors are awesome, and they look pretty good. I am yet to do calibration.

You can walk into your local BB and look at it.
post #618 of 1859
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris100 View Post

Can the owners of the 43d490 or 51d490, tell me if the red touch of color is bright red or dark red and can you notice it? If anyone has a pic, can you post it. Thanks.

I have a 43D490 and never notice the red. Its dark red anyways.
post #619 of 1859
@nsquare- I was referring about the red stripe on the bottom of the frame.

@TRD Supra- Thanks.

Do you both see any floating blacks or brightness pops, like other owners have reported.
post #620 of 1859
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris100 View Post

@nsquare- I was referring about the red stripe on the bottom of the frame.

@TRD Supra- Thanks.

Do you both see any floating blacks or brightness pops, like other owners have reported.

No.
post #621 of 1859
I just realized that this TV will apply very different picture modes depending on the name you give to the input. If you name the input PC or DVI-PC then it will go to pc mode regardless of resolution (excpet for 1080p24 that is always detected as non-pc). This might be the reason why some people have not got all options in the menus when using their HTPC.
post #622 of 1859
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grimmy84 View Post

I just realized that this TV will apply very different picture modes depending on the name you give to the input. If you name the input PC or DVI-PC then it will go to pc mode regardless of resolution (excpet for 1080p24 that is always detected as non-pc). This might be the reason why some people have not got all options in the menus when using their HTPC.

I can't see a way to name inputs on my D450 panel...?
post #623 of 1859
Long_pn: I have thought a little more about your problem. You say say you see flickering in movement on this set. Can you describe the type of flickering? The classic plasma flickering problem is that you will see flashes of yellow or green in fast movement. I have done some quite extensive movment testing with this TV and when it comes to this problem this is by far the best plasma I have seen, with very little of these flashes compared to other plasmas.

However, Samsung accomplish this reduction by using dithering in moving objects. That is, alternating (sub)-pixels on/off, which shows up as a random noise in movement. Is this your problem? Because this is, as far as I know, a unique feature on Samsung plasmas, which I personally like very much but you might not

Diverdiwearn: Switch to the input you want to rename with the input button. Once selected, push the tools button and select rename. As far as I can tell, everything except PC or DVI-PC is treated in the same way.
post #624 of 1859
I have a replacement on the way do to my 43D490 is displaying color bleeding in moving objects and for some reason turning on 3D mode eliminates the problem.

Grimmy84 you have a D450 right? can you see any color bleeding if you move the pictures on the xbox dashboard?
post #625 of 1859
Hello....sad day here for me. I own a Samsung PN43D450A2D Plasma, and I have done what everyone here says I should not have done. I entered the service menu and muckerd it all up . Well not horible really. Just wondering if anyone here can post some default Service Menu settings they have for the ADC/WB ---> ADC Result Menu, and ADC/WB ---> WB Menu?

I attempted to follow this tutorial for adjusting Grey scale: http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10457

Using the i1 Display 2 I was able to achieve a decent grey scale. However my problem is when I leave the service menu and go back into the normal tv mode, my picture does not look the same as it did in the service menu. I was hoping for some defaults I can reset and start at the beginning in case I did something wrong.

Has anyone had any success with calibrating this tv?
Any pointers for how to retain settings when going back into the normal tv mode? For example, entering service mode seems to place the tv into Dynamic picture mode, but I cant seem to find a way to modify the Movie Picture mode.

I am new to this and wish to learn, but cannot find any info about this particular tv and how to navigate / save settings, ect.

Thanks.
post #626 of 1859
Picked up the PN43D450 for a steal yesterday for the bedroom. Looks like a great thread to read up on here.

For those in South Florida, you may want to check out the prices on the PN43D450/PN51D450 in-store at the 10 hhgregg's that are grand opening through Saturday the 16th (today).

Edit (7/17): actually I think the grand opening prices may go through the 23rd if quantities are available...
post #627 of 1859
Quote:
Originally Posted by TRD Supra View Post

No.

Thanks.
post #628 of 1859
Changedsoul: I have had great succes in calibrating this TV. However, I do not see the need to go in to the service menu? Or do you require a 10 point greyscale instead of the 2-point that is already in the advanced menu? Or do you actually refer to adjusting the gamut because that cannot be done within the normal menus.

Service menu's are not to be tampered with without the manual. Once, I changed something on one TV but changing the settings back to default did not actually change the things back to default!

Trd supra: Absolutely no colorbleeding even when I have tried extremely fast movement with pixel persistance analyzer.
post #629 of 1859
Grimmy84: When playing with the normal menu settings, I was unable to get the correct amount of red and blue adjustments to place the red and blue reading at 100% per the Greyscale tutorial. I decided to go and do it in the service menu which allowed me to move them more. However the settings dont seem to stick when restarting the TV. They do stay set when going back into the service menu.

Because I was foolish and didnt write down my defaults, I was humbly hoping someone with the same set could post their defaults.
post #630 of 1859
Hi , finally i got one 43"


The LG 32" PG6000 Plasma looks like a toy against the 43" Samsung

It BUZZS a lot when there is no sound....is it normal ? is the tv going to fail or crack ?
Thanks . PQ and HD sound is really good , much much better than Panny C3 (europe)
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