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Need External Media Player or Blu-Ray Player for 1080p60?

post #1 of 45
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I know this was covered before. I did search for it a few times but for some reason nothing is coming up.

My PS3 will not play the 60p files without the bitrate crashing. Short clips are usually ok but bigger ones are a no go. There seems to be no fix for this that I can find.

Here is what I am looking for.
An External Media Player (no PC required) or a Blu-Ray player that supports USB 2.0 that I can plug an external NTFS HDD into. It also has to support 1080p60p mts files.

I saw a few things posted before, but the search came up with nothing.
The camcorder supports FAT32, but I read that some media/blu-ray players will support NTFS. That would be the best solution. Too many posts in other forums about the PS3 having troubles playing 60p files.

Thanks
post #2 of 45
look into the sony blu ray players. I did not reformat my wifies external hard drive, though I do not know what format it is in, and it worked with no problem.
post #3 of 45
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Originally Posted by workinghard View Post

look into the sony blu ray players. I did not reformat my wifies external hard drive, though I do not know what format it is in, and it worked with no problem.


Sony uses the FAT32 format, that I am certain of. The advantage of having the NTFS format is you can have file sizes larger than 4.5GB.
I have no idea why the PS3 is choking like it does with a high Mbps rate but it kinda ruins using the PS3 for 60p files.
I would imagine your wifes HDD was FAT32 although most drives today are NTFS which also has a 500GB HDD limitation.
post #4 of 45
I learned from french forum participant, that DViCO TViX Slim S1 media player will play 1080p 28Mbps no problème and streem NFTS external hard drive (without 4G limitation)
post #5 of 45
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Originally Posted by toni1 View Post

I learned from french forum participant, that DViCO TViX Slim S1 media player will play 1080p 28Mbps no problème and streem NFTS external hard drive (without 4G limitation)


Thanks Toni. It does look like Amazon sells them but they have no reviews or hard tech specs on that model. I looked on their website and their tech support is rather unusual. They use Hz instead of frame rate.
post #6 of 45
Thread Starter 
Is anyone familiar with this?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...lay_DX_HD.html

Seems like it will do the trick
post #7 of 45
I am waiting for a 1080p60 media player with USB 3.0 to use with my 2TB Seagate ext USB 3.0 HDD. Maybe bright-View will come out with an updated version.
http://www.brite-view.com/cinemago.php
post #8 of 45
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Originally Posted by jogiba View Post

I am waiting for a 1080p60 media player with USB 3.0 to use with my 2TB Seagate ext USB 3.0 HDD. Maybe bright-View will come out with an updated version.
http://www.brite-view.com/cinemago.php


I take it the current model doesn't support 1080p60p yet? It seesm to indicate that it does. No USB 3.0 tho, maybe next year?
post #9 of 45
I can confirm that a Panasonic DMP-BD85 will play 1080/60p clips when authored by multiAVCHD 4.1.

You simply drag and drop the clips (*.mts or *.m2ts files) into multiAVCHD and it builds a file structure that the BD85 plays from SD card perfectly. It is not transcoding the H.264 only rebuilding the BD/DV file structure and using the original TM700 files.

I have no idea why it won't play the 1080/60p clips on SD card directly from my TM700, but once the BD file structure is rebuilt with multiAVCHD it works. The cam can even play back with the multiAVCHD structure, but not the other way around.

Conversely HDWriter 2.1 can not read the multiAVCHD structure. Go Figure!

Anyway that might be another option to more cost effectively get your 1080/60p clips back to sd card for viewing. It doesn't support hard drives in any way that I can tell.

Cheers,
Pete
post #10 of 45
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by c3hammer View Post

I can confirm that a Panasonic DMP-BD85 will play 1080/60p clips when authored by multiAVCHD 4.1.

You simply drag and drop the clips (*.mts or *.m2ts files) into multiAVCHD and it builds a file structure that the BD85 plays from SD card perfectly. It is not transcoding the H.264 only rebuilding the BD/DV file structure and using the original TM700 files.

I have no idea why it won't play the 1080/60p clips on SD card directly from my TM700, but once the BD file structure is rebuilt with multiAVCHD it works. The cam can even play back with the multiAVCHD structure, but not the other way around.

Conversely HDWriter 2.1 can not read the multiAVCHD structure. Go Figure!

Anyway that might be another option to more cost effectively get your 1080/60p clips back to sd card for viewing. It doesn't support hard drives in any way that I can tell.

Cheers,
Pete


Thanks Pete, I have HD Writer 3.0 but if I use it I can't return it.
I've just been grabbing the raw files off the SD card. I don't use HD Writer. I can try MultiAVCHD once my new Laptop gets here, I'm now down to 5GB on my laptops HDD. Does MultiAVCHD support 60p?
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post #12 of 45
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Originally Posted by workinghard View Post

look into the sony blu ray players. I did not reformat my wifies external hard drive, though I do not know what format it is in, and it worked with no problem.

Do the Sonys have an SD card slot like the Panasonic? The nice thing about an SD card slot is you simply take it out of the camera and put it in the BD player. No need for transfer.
post #13 of 45
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Originally Posted by c3hammer View Post

I can confirm that a Panasonic DMP-BD85 will play 1080/60p clips when authored by multiAVCHD 4.1.


Pete

That's weird Pete, because my BD350 Panny BD player will play the most difficult 900 files without a problem...directly from the camera's card.
post #14 of 45
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

That's weird Pete, because my BD350 Panny BD player will play the most difficult 900 files without a problem...directly from the camera's card.

This issue with BD60/80/85 has been discussed several times. They do not accept their own Pana cards, but do accept files re-authored with MultiAVCHD. I did that too. My test AVCHD disc image that I posted here some time ago uses clips mastered with MultiAVCHD.

I am glad that Panasonic fixed the discrepancy in the BD350.
post #15 of 45
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post #16 of 45
question for you guys, best buy is willing to give me a store credit on my sony, as it is not working properly. I am thinking about the Bdt 110, but I thought peoples were saying that it does not have .m2ts support via usb on an external hard drive. Is that accurate?
post #17 of 45
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Originally Posted by Steve Cebu View Post

Thanks Toni. It does look like Amazon sells them but they have no reviews or hard tech specs on that model. I looked on their website and their tech support is rather unusual. They use Hz instead of frame rate.

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While discussing the issue I insisted to be sure it dose work and I got affirmative answer (Hz here means Frames, since its the same numbers)
post #18 of 45
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Originally Posted by toni1 View Post

While discussing the issue I insisted to be sure it dose work and I got affirmative answer (Hz here means Frames, since its the same numbers)

Hz does not mean frames. Hz means "times per second". In this case, can be frames or fields.
post #19 of 45
"question for you guys, best buy is willing to give me a store credit on my sony, as it is not working properly. I am thinking about the Bdt 110, but I thought peoples were saying that it does not have .m2ts support via usb on an external hard drive. Is that accurate?"

This is correct - .m2ts only from sd slot.

The Sony blu-ray players definitely support 108060p from the usb slot, usb sticks or portable hard drives. Note that you can attach a cheap usb card reader and also play 108060p from an sd card. The Sony is a better unit for playiong 108060p, which it does perfectly.
post #20 of 45
Mark, do you know what the menu looks like in the Sony? I think much of the convenience of using these BD players stems from their menu system. Panasonic breaks it down by date, give you a picon of your clips and previews the first clip of a given date as you highlight that date.

It is an advantage to have the ability to use external drives with the Sony which the Panasonic can not do.
post #21 of 45
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Originally Posted by markr041 View Post

This is correct - .m2ts only from sd slot.

The Sony blu-ray players definitely support 108060p from the usb slot, usb sticks or portable hard drives. Note that you can attach a cheap usb card reader and also play 108060p from an sd card. The Sony is a better unit for playiong 108060p, which it does perfectly.

Ugh, what on earth is panasonic thinking...I really want to get the skype for my wife, but I can not do it if I have to sacrifice playback you know? It is just so ridiculous that their 3d player line can not handle it?
post #22 of 45
On the Sony: You see the menu structure and file names on the drive. You select a file name and play, just like on a computer. But I did not put an AVCHD structure on the drive with the directories and folders, which might exhibit more info. I'll look again; so far I was just interested if it would play videos I created. And it did fine.
post #23 of 45
I guess you could hook up a USB ext HDD with your 1080p60 video files to the Sony BDP-S580 Blu-Ray Disc Player as shown on page 15 in the user manual.
http://www.docs.sony.com/release/BDPS580.pdf

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-BDP-S580-.../dp/B004K1EOCA

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921666291826

Also with my iPod Touch 4G I could use it as a remote.
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/media...373459732?mt=8
post #24 of 45
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by workinghard View Post

question for you guys, best buy is willing to give me a store credit on my sony, as it is not working properly. I am thinking about the Bdt 110, but I thought peoples were saying that it does not have .m2ts support via usb on an external hard drive. Is that accurate?


So much for their return policy. Store credit isn't the same as a refund.

This is very frustrating finding something that can handle the high bitrate and these companies don't know either. I called Panasonic, Sony, Iomega, Roku and Seagate. No real info just "buy it and try it" if it works, great, if not just return it.
post #25 of 45
Yeah, all you can do is buy and try Steve. The "Western Digital WD TV Live Plus 1080p HD Media Player" supposedly works with the high bitrate files. It's sold at Amazon, so you have 30 days to give it a try. What do you have to lose?

http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digita.../dp/B003MVZ60I

Edit: You can also get it at NewEgg for $84.99. I don't know what their return policy is.
post #26 of 45
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Originally Posted by tingham View Post

Yeah, all you can do is buy and try Steve. The "Western Digital WD TV Live Plus 1080p HD Media Player" supposedly works with the high bitrate files. It's sold at Amazon, so you have 30 days to give it a try. What do you have to lose?

http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digita.../dp/B003MVZ60I

Edit: You can also get it at NewEgg for $84.99. I don't know what their return policy is.


You have a point, if they don't work then return it and all you lose is the shipping charges.

I really do appreciate all the helpful advice I've been given from all the forum members who have responded.
It's a good thread and hopefully it will help a lot of people.
post #27 of 45
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Originally Posted by Steve Cebu View Post

You have a point, if they don't work then return it and all you lose is the shipping charges.

I really do appreciate all the helpful advice I've been given from all the forum members who have responded.
It's a good thread and hopefully it will help a lot of people.

Amazon will pay for return shipping also Steve if it doesn't work out.
post #28 of 45
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Originally Posted by Steve Cebu View Post

So much for their return policy. Store credit isn't the same as a refund.

This is very frustrating finding something that can handle the high bitrate and these companies don't know either. I called Panasonic, Sony, Iomega, Roku and Seagate. No real info just "buy it and try it" if it works, great, if not just return it.

Well, to clarify a few things. It was past the return date. So, technically they didnt have to do anything. Also, when I talked to them they refunded the part I paid with my mastercard and put the part I paid with a giftcard back on a gift card, even though it was past the return date. No restocking fee. So, I was very happy. That was best buy.


In response to the post above, Amazon will only pay return shipping if you call them and they agree to, or if it is somehow their fault (error in description, faulty merch. etc)
post #29 of 45
Just went to best buy and returned my ps3 and picked up the Sony bdp-s580 br player updating firmware as I type then I'll try my wd external hd and my sd card reader. As a bonus I also picked up the Sony cc560v that's charging with the bigger battery and I'll be testing it against my tm900
post #30 of 45
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Originally Posted by workinghard View Post

Well, to clarify a few things. It was past the return date. So, technically they didnt have to do anything. Also, when I talked to them they refunded the part I paid with my mastercard and put the part I paid with a giftcard back on a gift card, even though it was past the return date. No restocking fee. So, I was very happy. That was best buy.


In response to the post above, Amazon will only pay return shipping if you call them and they agree to, or if it is somehow their fault (error in description, faulty merch. etc)


Well I guess best Buy was being decent. Thedy aren't always that way so you're lucky.

I just got off the phone with Amazon. Defective items, no problem, but you do have to pay for insurance which they claim they will reimburse.
If you just don't like/want it you could end up paying shipping both ways and in some cases a restocking fee.

I think next time I will try B&H Photo as they have a no questions asked return policy if within 14 days.
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