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post #121 of 2071
3/31/11 at 5:34am
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really interested to see this thing on a Panasonic AE4000 or similar projector
Do you mean similar, like my EPSON HC8100, Review in the first post!

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Originally Posted by Skiiermike View Post
It seems most people here are talking about there projectors. I have a 3 year old Samsung 1080P LCD with a 60hz refresh rate. What is the likely hood this will work well with my TV?

I'm really in the market for 3D I'm just not in a position to get a new TV right now.

Thanks, any input is appreciated as I do know to much about this 3D stuff.
Sorry still working on reviews that I posted in the gamer thread, that were not included in this thread as of yet,.......but
Also Tested On a Samsung LN52A850, Model was purchased in March 2009, build I believe was 2008, A vizio 720p 32" LCD approx 3 years old. Also tested on a 26" 720p Polaroid POS lCD, that my son has, no problems.

I dont see any reason why you would have any problem, another gentleman in this thread also tested on a sony 1080p LCD at 60hz and had no issues!
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post #122 of 2071
3/31/11 at 7:41am
Thanks for the response.

Now it looks like I have something to look forward to. lol
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post #123 of 2071
3/31/11 at 8:29am
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Originally Posted by Chezbrgr2 View Post

Sorry still working on reviews that I posted in the gamer thread, that were not included in this thread as of yet,.......but
Also Tested On a Samsung LN52A850, Model was purchased in March 2009, build I believe was 2008, A vizio 720p 32" LCD approx 3 years old. Also tested on a 26" 720p Polaroid POS lCD, that my son has, no problems.

You mentioned that you were able to pass full 3D Blu Ray through an HDMI 1.3 Onkyo AVR. Have you tried this with a 3D BR player other then the PS3 to test if you were able to get the HD audio codecs to work in tandem with the 3D?
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post #124 of 2071
3/31/11 at 8:59am
Also Chez, what about ghosting with any of the displays? Mostly the 8100, is there any ghosting or crosstalk? That is what I am most afraid of with my AE3000U
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post #125 of 2071
3/31/11 at 11:42am
The glasses fit comfortably over eye glasses.
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post #126 of 2071
3/31/11 at 11:52am
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You mentioned that you were able to pass full 3D Blu Ray through an HDMI 1.3 Onkyo AVR. Have you tried this with a 3D BR player other then the PS3 to test if you were able to get the HD audio codecs to work in tandem with the 3D?

Yes I was able to,.. The Vip Theatre is an Audio passthru device. I no longer have the Onkyo since I tested it so I cant run it again.

To be honest I was getting tired of the switches and splitters I was using, so I went out and Got a Yamaha RX-V887, to simplify things. Now Ive got 6 HDMI IN, and a Dual HDMI out so I can run both Projector or plasma in the room, depending on what I want to watch. The yamaha is nice in that it also has video and audio passthru, so I dont have to have the reciever on just to watch something.

Hopefully someone else here can run the audio test again thru another reciever.
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post #127 of 2071
3/31/11 at 3:07pm
Please, can you tell something more about the 30 hz viewing of movies and games?

Have you seen a full movie? It's shocking or annoying to your eyes?

Thanks!!
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post #128 of 2071
3/31/11 at 4:50pm
What is output Rez? 720p or 1080p?

Just curious if 1080p is inputed will you get 1080p/30/eye output?

Thanks
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post #129 of 2071
3/31/11 at 8:36pm
Ok i have a couple questions about the VIP 3D products. If I just want to use this for PS3 and 3D Blu-Ray would i be better off getting the $300 displayer? Will the displayer or the theater be able to play 1080p SBS 3D .MKV Files through a HDMI 1.3 connection? I would spend the extra 200 to be able to play downloaded or recorded 3d content but i dont have 3d cable in my area so if the theater cant play .MKV SBS 3D i dont want to spend the extra money. Thanks for the help!
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post #130 of 2071
4/1/11 at 5:33am
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Originally Posted by zombiehunter47 View Post

Ok i have a couple questions about the VIP 3D products. If I just want to use this for PS3 and 3D Blu-Ray would i be better off getting the $300 displayer? Will the displayer or the theater be able to play 1080p SBS 3D .MKV Files through a HDMI 1.3 connection? I would spend the extra 200 to be able to play downloaded or recorded 3d content but i dont have 3d cable in my area so if the theater cant play .MKV SBS 3D i dont want to spend the extra money. Thanks for the help!

Here si the sepcs
3D-Displayer = bluray 3D and PS3 games (frame-packed)
3D-Theatre = Bluray 3D /Games, Top-Bottom, Side-By-Side..

So the 3D-theatre plays SBS mkv's. And i've already confirmed with an avs member that he used the 3D-Theatre to play a 1080p SBS mkv using his hdmi 1.3 WDTV Live media player so this si what you want. I've ordered mine and i'll be using the WDTV Live and SBS mkvs to play with it
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post #131 of 2071
4/1/11 at 5:47am
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Also Chez, what about ghosting with any of the displays? Mostly the 8100, is there any ghosting or crosstalk? That is what I am most afraid of with my AE3000U

The answer is no Both myself and Others have not had this issue.
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post #132 of 2071
4/1/11 at 5:50am
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Originally Posted by muad'dib View Post

What is output Rez? 720p or 1080p?

Just curious if 1080p is inputed will you get 1080p/30/eye output?

Thanks

What you put in is what you get out, in terms of the signal being 720p, 1080i,1080p. I assume its 30 per eye but now your getting over my head, no offense but I really just care that the product works.

I'm sure someone will get down to hardcore specifics when they get the unit and tear it apart, thats not my arena. I just want to watch some things in 3D without having to buy a new "Everything" LOL.
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post #133 of 2071
4/1/11 at 6:29am
I just want it to work with this new technology:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/Uef17zOCDb8

Jonathan--is that you: VIP Jonathan?

(hey, remember what day this is: )
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post #134 of 2071
4/1/11 at 12:17pm
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I just want it to work with this new technology:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/Uef17zOCDb8

Jonathan--is that you: VIP Jonathan?

(hey, remember what day this is: )

Now thats funny!!
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post #135 of 2071
4/1/11 at 3:52pm
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Originally Posted by shadowkupo View Post

Please, can you tell something more about the 30 hz viewing of movies and games?

Have you seen a full movie? It's shocking or annoying to your eyes?

Thanks!!

I have been thinking about this and if you think about film its only 24 frames per second and if you go back to early film and my fathers old 8mm film that was only 15 frames per second. I never felt that flicker bothered me or gave me a headache even at 15 frames per second.

I am looking forward to the reviews on this. I may get one towards the end of April after I see some review by users.

Ron
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post #136 of 2071
4/1/11 at 4:41pm
A normal 16mm projector has a three blade shutter so that it can project 18 frame per second film at 18 x 3 = 54 frames per second (with each frame shown three times in a row). This "triple flash" puts it above the critical fusion frequency for most people, which means it would not appear to flicker.
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post #137 of 2071
4/2/11 at 7:22am
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A normal 16mm projector has a three blade shutter so that it can project 18 frame per second film at 18 x 3 = 54 frames per second (with each frame shown three times in a row). This "triple flash" puts it above the critical fusion frequency for most people, which means it would not appear to flicker.

Actually I meant to say 8mm projector! Not super 8 just 8mm.

Oh I could see flicker but it never gave me a headache. I can see flicker when I see a 24fps movie from a film projector too. IMAX flickers a lot. It doesn't both me.

I am not sure if my Dads old projector flashed 3x the 15 frames. I can run the projector a little faster to minimize flicker but everything would move a little faster.
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post #138 of 2071
4/2/11 at 8:24am
Most 8mm projectors also triple flash, and all modern movie theater film projectors at least double flash (show the movie at 48hz) to reduce flicker.
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post #139 of 2071
4/2/11 at 9:36am
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Originally Posted by HokeySmoke View Post

Most 8mm projectors also triple flash, and all modern movie theater film projectors at least double flash (show the movie at 48hz) to reduce flicker.

How far back did they start using multiple flash? My Dads projector is from the late 1940's.

Thanks,
Ron
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post #140 of 2071
4/2/11 at 9:54am
I think all this is lagrely academic until more people get these units & run them at 60hz. Even then, some people will be more sensitive to flicker than others.

Anyone on this thread who has used the previous (pre-blu) generations of 3d systmes... sensio, etc? Can you comment on 60hz performance in general?
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post #141 of 2071
4/2/11 at 10:00am
They have been using multiple flash since motion pictures were invented. The concept is very straightforward to implement since you already need a shutter which is just a rotating disc with slots in it. The only issue with adding slots is that the disc needs to get bigger the more slots it has. Just scanning around the net, it looks like many projectors had 3 blade shutters in the 40's, especially if they were designed to run at both 24 and 18 frames per second.
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post #142 of 2071
4/2/11 at 10:06am
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Originally Posted by thebard
I think all this is lagrely academic until more people get these units & run them at 60hz. Even then, some people will be more sensitive to flicker than others.
I agree and am not trying to rain on anyone's parade. Just providing information. There is a wide variance in flicker sensitivity and it goes down with reduced brightness such as when you watch sequential 3D.
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post #143 of 2071
4/2/11 at 10:13am
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Originally Posted by HokeySmoke View Post
They have been using multiple flash since motion pictures were invented. The concept is very straightforward to implement since you already need a shutter which is just a rotating disc with slots in it. The only issue with adding slots is that the disc needs to get bigger the more slots it has. Just scanning around the net, it looks like many projectors had 3 blade shutters in the 40's, especially if they were designed to run at both 24 and 18 frames per second.
Thanks! I think this is worth discussing. It appears 8mm was 16fps so times three is 48 flashes. Flicker is noticable for sure. I would think 30 per eye will be very noticable. I guess we will find out soon. My Dads projector is a Revere 8mm. Looks like it came out in 1946. Still works great by the way.

Ron
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post #144 of 2071
4/2/11 at 10:42am
I'm waiting to hear more reviews on this before I bite. I bought a 120hz DLP recently as a stop gap to see where the 3D tech is going, but this does sound rather interesting to check out.
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post #145 of 2071
4/2/11 at 10:58am
I have a JVC LCOS projector and was thinking again about this multiple flash technique they use with film. The JVC displays 60fps at 120Hz. So with these devices wouldn't the JVC flash twice for every shutter open on the glasses? This should eliminate flicker!

Ron
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post #146 of 2071
4/2/11 at 11:55am
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Thanks! I think this is worth discussing. It appears 8mm was 16fps so times three is 48 flashes. Flicker is noticable for sure. I would think 30 per eye will be very noticable. I guess we will find out soon. My Dads projector is a Revere 8mm. Looks like it came out in 1946. Still works great by the way.
There's a video of someone servicing a Revere 1949 8mm projector here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bEN7MxUfYg

At about 12 minutes you can see the shutter. It's a 3 blade shutter.
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post #147 of 2071
4/2/11 at 1:53pm
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I have a JVC LCOS projector and was thinking again about this multiple flash technique they use with film. The JVC displays 60fps at 120Hz. So with these devices wouldn't the JVC flash twice for every shutter open on the glasses? ...

If the glasses are running at 60Hz then each of your eyes will still be seeing black at 30 frames per second no matter how many times the projector refreshes during the time that they are not black. It's the black that causes the flicker. You could run at 0 frames per second if the display never went to black, and no one would see flicker.
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post #148 of 2071
4/2/11 at 3:06pm
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Originally Posted by HokeySmoke View Post

If the glasses are running at 60Hz then each of your eyes will still be seeing black at 30 frames per second no matter how many times the projector refreshes during the time that they are not black. It's the black that causes the flicker. You could run at 0 frames per second if the display never went to black, and no one would see flicker.

Good point! I wasn't thnking about the dark frame for each eye.
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post #149 of 2071
4/2/11 at 6:05pm
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Originally Posted by HokeySmoke View Post

There's a video of someone servicing a Revere 1949 8mm projector here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bEN7MxUfYg

At about 12 minutes you can see the shutter. It's a 3 blade shutter.

Not the same model as my Dads but very similar.
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post #150 of 2071
4/3/11 at 2:57am
Will 3d theatre work in europe.I have panasanic plasma from 2008 yaer and i want to watch 3d satellite channels with side by side and my satellite box have option 50hz or 60hz.Please answer me if somebody know this.
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