3D Theatre - VIP Product Thread - Page 53

How does your failure to properly research the ins and outs of what you want to do and consequent lack of knowledge constitute fraud on the manufacturer's part?

@Fox1966:
@blaket81:

Guys, as SgtVideo explained, there are many variables including the user's tolerance to flicker, whether or nor a digital display is frame-locked, etc. For instance, I've had far better results with the Theater on my 10 year old CRT RPTV than with my 3 year old Sony Bravia LCD.

No existing 3D solution is perfect. DLPs, which are considered by many posters here to be the best current 3D solution for HT, have issues with colorshift resulting from the white flash used to sync DLPLink glasses.

The market for these devices is not limited to people who recently bought 2D equipment and are unwilling to replace it. There is another target user group-folks who have lots of money invested in high-end equipment, especially CRT-based projectors (this is the group SgtVideo mentions with his Curt Palme reference). No current digital display tech can yet match CRTs in all areas of picture quality, so they aren't willing to replace their meticulously set up and calibrated projectors. But they do, however, want to add the capability to view 3D content. And that's what the VIP boxes give them. No matter how you slice it, it's a niche market for these units leading to lower volumes and higher per-unit costs.

Most of us are satisfied with our VIP products because we researched how they should be used. It's been commented time and again on here that it is not recommended for HTPCs currently. Doesn't mean that in the future they won't take on that sector but most of us have learned that it is focused on PS3, Xbox, and Blu-Ray content.

They are a young company, not a fraud company and make some of the mistakes that all companys make at startup. But that is a learning process.
We had issues on here with some of the Bit Cauldron glasses but they eventually uncovered the cause and corrected it.

If you used your calculator you knew what the costs were before venturing down the road of a purchase of this type knowing that it is a young industry.

I visited the Xtreamer thread on here and that product is not without it's critics as well but that doesn't make them a fraud company. There is a learning and research curve to this and apparently you went amiss.

We even have folks on here that had difficulty getting their PS3s working but that is just a temperamental thing with the PS3. After they get it working everything is fine.

If you hook up your Displayer or Theater to what we are using on here you should fair fine, anything else would be a bonus.

We encourage you to work with them as best as you can. If they literally told you to go to %$#* that would be something to sound off about but that doesn't sound like their style.

It was a shame that the Xtreamer was the only device you have to match their product with, you are missing out.

The HTPC forum has enough folks trying to unravel why things don't work and they spend a lot of time finding a solution usually involving a significant amount of their own time. The Xtreamer device isn't that much different.

I noticed one individual over there I believe by the name of Damian said the Xtreamer will not play 3D Blu-Ray, well I don't know if it is supposed to but that wouldn't work for me.


Thank you Rolls for your points, they are spot on.

Good day to ya.

I have quite the opposite opinion. I work with CE and IT companies frequently and I can definitively say that 3D VIP go beyond what a typical company does to get it working with your equipment.

Has anyone used this with a Sony VPL-HW15 projector?

How does it perform?

I have only good things to say about Jonathan from VIP who has responded to all my emails personally. For those concerned about whether it works well on their machines there is a money back return policy from curtpalme on all items apart from used glasses so your nonrefundable exposure is 99 usd and shipping for one set of glasses. I find that risk totally acceptable and the policy v customer friendly.

Frustrations aside any malfunctioning hardware is covered by warranty so u should return stuff that's broken.

I use it with the Sony VW60 and it's fantastic.

How does it compare with newer 3D systems?

I tried the Nvidia system with the Acer PJ last year and it was very good, but there was no content at the time.

The pricing looks pretty good basically $200 per person for 6 glasses etc. A comparatively cheap alternative to buying a new projector.

I am just concerned with the refresh rate being slow.

Hi,

I understand you run the VIP 3D on JVC RS15

I read JVC beamers have frame block issue due to internal Vsync not synchronized on video input.

1 -How did you deal with that point on your RS15 ?

2- You say it accepts a 96 Hz frame rate but the user manual says 60Hz maxi
does it really work at 96Hz ?


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I don't know how it compares with other systems. I do know that the lower refresh rate can make pans look a little juddery. Apart from that, it's great though. Flicker doesn't bother me. It might if I had lights on in the room because looking at light bulbs with the glasses on is an instant strobe effect.

I've seen the glasses with emitter listed at $79 instead of $200 but I don't know if that price is really going to go through.... It would be GREAT. Optima is selling the glasses with emitter and the kit lists for $79 some places online.

-Brian

I'm cross-posting this on the Monster Max and VIP product threads. There have been numerous posts dealing with the less-than-ideal sync (L/R) invert feature for the rf emitter, and I've come up with an easy way to do it, literally at the touch of a button... without getting out of your seat! This method does require that the emitter be hooked up to a running pc; I use my music server, but a small laptop or netbook will suffice.

Here's what you do:

- Install the Bit Cauldron/Monster Max management utility, and hook up the emitter via usb.

- Purchase this inexpensive wireless usb remote and plug the usb receiver into the same computer as the emitter.

- Assign a shortcut key (e.g. Ctrl + Alt + A) to the management utility's shortcut that coincides with one of the remote's hotkeys (e.g. Hotkey A). (In windows XP: Right-click > Properties > Shortcut tab > Shortcut Key.)

- Press the following button sequence on the usb remote, or (even better) program it into your universal remote:

Hotkey A,
tab,
tab,
tab,
tab,
tab,
enter,
enter.

If programing a macro on a universal remote, you may need to account for some lag between commands.

Presto! Now, when you hit the button that activates the macro, the pc will automatically open the Bit Cauldron utility, select the "Switch Left/Right Lenses" button, and exit. While viewing 3D content, the left & right views should switch on screen a moment later.

The only drawbacks I've found are (1) the need to have a pc turned on & hooked up to the emitter (but I don't find this to be a problem, since my music server is adjacent to my HT gear and I already have it running while my system is on); and (2) depending on your computer, it may take a second or two to execute the commands (especially the hotkey that opens the utility). But the advantages include remote control of the sync invert function, and never having to mess with that awful toggle switch again!

Hope I was able to help out some others with this tip.

Where was that price listed? Who does VIP resell for glasses?

J&R dot com

Bit Cauldron is the manufacturer for Monstervision, Optoma and VIP3D.

Temporarily out of stock.

Damn! That's a sweet price...and I paid $179 bucks for my VIP glasses and emitter. It's cheaper to buy this combo than pay $129 for just a pair of glasses from VIP!!!

I am p!ssed that I so... overpaid for my VIP glasses.

Played Gran Toursimo 5, using PS3, AE4000 via the Theater.
GT5 allows for very good customization of your 3D convergence, brightness, etc. I found the default settings ok, but increases brightness a little. There is also a Flicker Reduction mode in the settings which seems to work well with the Theater.

In game, using cockpit view, the data/map/speedometer looks slightly in front of the screen. The cockpit is at the screen, and anything outside the car looks beyond the screen. It's all implemented pretty subtly but it really does look realistic as you approach the cars. It's one of the better implementations of 3D.. very natural, and does increase the intensity of races.

The Theater seems very well suited to PS3 gaming. I am really pleased with it. I think that as the PS3 is for many games limited to a steady 30fps, it seems to work well with very very minimal flicker (if any)... and the Theater can keep up with the action ok.

Ha, don't get mad now, it's just vapor until you see it in stock with a real number. Personally, I don't see that price point quite appearing as yet with current volumes. Maybe later next year.

Played God of War Ghosts of Sparta on PS3 and the 3D is done really well. I'm really enjoying gaming on the Theater. Couple that with IMAX documentaries and live action 3D movies and it's been well worth the money. I have my reservations about animated 3D only because the high contrast and bright scenes coupled with fast action tends to accentuate the flicker to a tolerable yet noticeable level.

One animated film that doesn't accentuate flicker is "A Christmas Carol". The movie overall is dark as most scenes occur at night and/or indoors and in the wintertime.

Thanks Rolls.... if you have any other suggestions for good content, I would be very happy to follow your lead!

Just watched the potato cod scene from Under the Sea 21 minutes in.... That is undoubtedly the most impressive real 3d effect I have ever seen... Absolutely immersive and breathtaking! So solid and close that you want to call up your mates to come over and witness it too!

I don't understand,why when shipping 2 glasses the extra glass costs $10.00 more ? Why so much ? Is it shipped Priority ?

The extra pair is just placed in the same box as the first pair albeit wrapped in plastic. There is also an extra charging USB cable. The extra usd 10 is probably for covering admin costs. Doubt the minimal weight increase is the reason.

I see,thanks...

So If I want to watch 3D TV & DVD I need to buy the most expensive unit ?

What TV do you have now? I believe that you need to look at what sources of media you will have. (don't think 3D from DVDs is supported).

For which device is best for you:
http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26910

This is one of the better FAQs specifically for the Theater:
http://www.curtpalme.com/3DTheatre.shtm

I have the 58" Plasma Samsung PN58A650.

Thanks

Watched the whole of Megamind 3D bluray via PS3 and was very impressed. No crosstalk and excellent judicious use of depth. It's a pretty funny film too! The Theatre held up well and gave a really solid level of depth. I felt the 3D really added to the scale of the sets.

I liked Megamind in 3D as well. IMHO the 3D is better than that in Monsters vs. Aliens (which I also liked), but it is a newer film.

I have Sony KDF-70XBR950 and I cant tell if it will works fine with 3D VIP
dose any one have try it or there is any way I can tell?
Thanks