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post #1591 of 2068
9/20/11 at 4:40pm
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Originally Posted by eddie102026 View Post

I have Sony KDF-70XBR950 and I cant tell if it will works fine with 3D VIP
dose any one have try it or there is any way I can tell?
Thanks

After glancing through the manual I would say no.

You need HDMI port version 1.3 and I could not find what video resolutions and refresh the set supports. It appears this one is DVI.

Sorry I couldn't give you a better answer.
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post #1592 of 2068
9/21/11 at 5:05pm
Saw this posted over at hdguru.com:

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Black Boxes Convert Any 2D HDTV to 3D and More - CEDIA Part II
September 20th, 2011 · 1 Comment · 3D HDTV, Front Projection, HD 3D Content, Plasma



In a small booth at CEDIA a new exhibitor called 3D Now showed devices they claim will convert any 1080p display to a Full HD 3D TV. The first device is designed to be used with flat panels or projectors with the aid of active 3D eyewear. The other device allows two identical 1080p projectors to show Full HD 3D using the same passive glasses offered in movie theaters.

The Theater Box

The 3D Now Theater system consists of a black box (image at top), infrared sync emitter, and 3D Now active glasses. It works with any 3D source (not supplied) including Blu-ray, cable or satellite box. The demo using a front projector indeed produced Full HD.



Unfortunately, as you can see, the screen was on the convention show floor. With nothing preventing ambient light from hitting the screen, the demo had a washed out image. We asked device inventor Jonathan Alexander how the device operates and how it avoids flicker. He would not comment citing pending patents prevented him from disclosing the information.

Full HD Passive Convertor

We found 3D Now's second device even more intriguing. This product is consists of circular polarizers (one left, one right) that mount to the front of each projector's lens, a black interface box, and a dual projector mount. When combined with a silver 3D screen (available from most projection screen vendors) your projection system can play full HD 3D using passive glasses.

Pricing and availability of 3D Now products has not been announced. For more information go to 3dnow.com

Link:http://hdguru.com/black-boxes-conver...473/#more-5473
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post #1593 of 2068
9/22/11 at 8:08pm
Looks like Jonathan's been busy...

Wonder how much commonality there is between the 3D-VIP products and the 3DNow boxes?

Edit: Never mind. I just remembered that 3DNow was recently listed as the distributor of 3D-VIP's products on 3D-VIP's website.
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post #1594 of 2068
9/22/11 at 10:57pm
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Originally Posted by Rolls-Royce View Post

Looks like Jonathan's been busy...

Wonder how much commonality there is between the 3D-VIP products and the 3DNow boxes?

Edit: Never mind. I just remembered that 3DNow was recently listed as the distributor of 3D-VIP's products on 3D-VIP's website.

I wonder if VIP can allow 1080p output from a Theater through a future firmware update (here's hoping)....
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post #1595 of 2068
9/22/11 at 11:15pm
Can any one help me with this pink color
every time i tried to press p1 to merge the 2 screen i found this pink color appear even without glasses as you can see in the attachments
my setting is
wd live player --3d vip theater -----optoma hd 66 projector
with my samsung lcd there is no pink color but there is fram lock.
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post #1596 of 2068
9/23/11 at 7:58am
Tsamy:

Do you have a regular Blu-Ray player that you can connect to the VIP and send a 2D content signal?

I'm trying to determine whether the WD LIve or the VIP is producing those color bands in your photos. Otherwise the projector is having an issue. When playing it on another TV are the color bands gone?

I responded on Curt Palme to your question the same.

It appears that Rolls-Royce has a better grasp on what you are experiencing so follow his recommendations on the Curt Palme site.
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post #1597 of 2068
9/24/11 at 5:03am
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Originally Posted by Rolls-Royce View Post

Looks like Jonathan's been busy...

Wonder how much commonality there is between the 3D-VIP products and the 3DNow boxes?

Edit: Never mind. I just remembered that 3DNow was recently listed as the distributor of 3D-VIP's products on 3D-VIP's website.

3DNow will be taking over the domestic and international distribution of VIP3D products. This will free up VIP to concentrate on new product development and enhancements. That will get Jonathan out of the shipping business and put him more in a support role as well.
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post #1598 of 2068
9/24/11 at 5:06am
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Originally Posted by avswilier View Post

I wonder if VIP can allow 1080p output from a Theater through a future firmware update (here's hoping)....

The current Theater has insufficient memory to accommodate 1080P and 7.1 audio so the next version of Theater will be a hardware change. Sorry to quell your hopes.
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post #1599 of 2068
9/24/11 at 6:29am
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Originally Posted by SgtVideo View Post


The current Theater has insufficient memory to accommodate 1080P and 7.1 audio so the next version of Theater will be a hardware change. Sorry to quell your hopes.

Shucks... Oh well, I am still pretty happy with 720p and that's all my ps3 supports anyway. Thanks for the info. Does the newer Now reduce flicker in any new way?
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post #1600 of 2068
9/24/11 at 3:47pm
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Originally Posted by avswilier View Post

Shucks... Oh well, I am still pretty happy with 720p and that's all my ps3 supports anyway. Thanks for the info. Does the newer Now reduce flicker in any new way?

Flicker is primarily a product shuttering the glasses 60 times per sec.
Naturally if your video display will support 120Hz then it is neglible or zero.

Also the room lighting environment can exacerbate it and how well you tune
the RF glasses can help minimize it.

And I am happy with 720P as well.
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post #1601 of 2068
9/27/11 at 10:48pm
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Originally Posted by Rolls-Royce View Post

One animated film that doesn't accentuate flicker is "A Christmas Carol". The movie overall is dark as most scenes occur at night and/or indoors and in the wintertime.

Rolls,
You were spot on. I tried sampling the SBS file of A Christmas Carol and it looked great. Lion King 3D and Step Up 3D were both unacceptable on the Theater because they were very distracting once the staccato-ed movement began.

Based on my experience so far:

Performed Well with Theater:

Megamind
Resident Evil: Afterlife
Avatar
A Christmas Carol
IMAX documentaries (all)
PS3 3D games (God of War, Gran Turismo 5, Stardust HD)
Tron Legacy


Performed OK with Theater:

Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs
Caroline 3D
HTTYD
Pirates of the Caribbean On Stranger Tides


Performed poorly with Theater:

Despicable Me
Lion King
Step Up 3D
PS3 3D games (Wipeout Fury - major divergence issues)
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post #1602 of 2068
9/29/11 at 2:24pm
Hi All,

Brand new member here with a question for the experts, about the VIP box and various 3D formats.

We are a manufacturer of small ride theaters and want to use the unit for a 30 seat theater. I bought a box and have connected it to a Christie projector. The signal path is a little convoluted because we have to use dual stream (left and right HD-SDI cables) from a video server into a Black Magic box that turns them into 1080P frame packed. That drives the VIP via HDMI which does its frame sequential thing. The output is fed to the projector.

So far so good and everything works great if we feed in 24P (23.97) material. We would also like to use 29.97 material and when we do it appears to go straight through the VIP. The projector shows about a frame and a half tall of frame packed image and the 3D light on the VIP goes off. It seems like it doesn't recognize the signal as valid 3D and just passes it straight through.

The spec sheet implies it should work with this format. Is there something we are doing wrong? Is anybody having succes with non 24P material?

Thanks,
David S.
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post #1603 of 2068
9/30/11 at 9:52am
If the Black Magic box gives you detailed control over the refresh rate, you might try varying it a bit. Feed the VIP exactly 30.0 Hz, for instance, and see what happens.
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post #1604 of 2068
10/1/11 at 8:29am
Thanks for the suggestion RR,

The server determines the frame rate based on the file. I don't think we can adjust anything in the black Magic. I'll look to see if we have any 30 fps (not 29.97) files.

Everything seems to be converting to 1280 x 720 (argh!) and I'm not sure if that is a Black Magic thing or a VIP thing.

Regards,
David
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post #1605 of 2068
10/1/11 at 9:56am
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Originally Posted by TorontoDave View Post

Thanks for the suggestion RR,

The server determines the frame rate based on the file. I don't think we can adjust anything in the black Magic. I'll look to see if we have any 30 fps (not 29.97) files.

Everything seems to be converting to 1280 x 720 (argh!) and I'm not sure if that is a Black Magic thing or a VIP thing.

Regards,
David

The VIP converters were not designed to output 1080p/120. Most displays don't work at 120 frames per second input. Future converts may include it when more displays come out that will accept 120fps. Although would have been nice to have 1080p/60 output for 30 frames per eye.
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post #1606 of 2068
10/2/11 at 2:56am
The particular Christie projector we are using will "double flash" a 60Hz input and also take care of the glasses sync signal for that. So I'm looking for the VIP to do the frame interleaving, which it does, but for both 24 and 30 fps material. It seems to work for 24 but not for 30.

David
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post #1607 of 2068
10/12/11 at 2:08pm
Optoma has rebadged RF glasses for $99 and emitter for $49



http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...hargeable.html

$87.99 @ MacMall.com (pre-order) http://www.macmall.com/p/Optoma-Moni...85~pdp.gieegej



http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...mitter_No.html
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post #1608 of 2068
10/12/11 at 8:10pm
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Originally Posted by BishopLord View Post

Optoma has rebadged RF glasses for $99 and emitter for $49



http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...hargeable.html

$87.99 @ MacMall.com (pre-order) http://www.macmall.com/p/Optoma-Moni...85~pdp.gieegej



http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...mitter_No.html

Those have been on backorder or for pre-order at a number of sellers for a while now. Looks like they're finally back in the supply pipeline now, though-I got an email today from my supplier stating mine have been shipped.
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post #1609 of 2068
10/13/11 at 9:49am
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Originally Posted by Rolls-Royce View Post

Those have been on backorder or for pre-order at a number of sellers for a while now. Looks like they're finally back in the supply pipeline now, though-I got an email today from my supplier stating mine have been shipped.

Will this work with VIP products?
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post #1610 of 2068
10/13/11 at 11:02am
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Originally Posted by jimvela View Post

Will this work with VIP products?

Yes, they're the exact same glasses & emitter that VIP & Curtpalme sell, just rebranded.
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post #1611 of 2068
10/18/11 at 8:02pm
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Originally Posted by thebard View Post

Yes, they're the exact same glasses & emitter that VIP & Curtpalme sell, just rebranded.

Thank you!
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post #1612 of 2068
10/19/11 at 8:18am
Pre-order at J&R for $79 with free shipping. Just placed an order for an additional 4 glasses.
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post #1613 of 2068
10/19/11 at 12:03pm
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Originally Posted by big poppa pump View Post

Pre-order at J&R for $79 with free shipping. Just placed an order for an additional 4 glasses.

That's where I ordered mine. Got 'em yesterday!
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post #1614 of 2068
10/19/11 at 11:46pm
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Originally Posted by Rolls-Royce View Post

That's where I ordered mine. Got 'em yesterday!

Regarding your comment last week about the back order, you're right. Some sites stated this, others didn't. The one that didn't, I posted the link. The sites that said they were back ordered stated they were expecting a shipment around the 17th. Glad you got them and it's working out for you.

So, how is this working out for you? I'm a little spit on my decision to buy the new GT750, or just get a VIP Theater to use with my Epson 8100. It's kind of a toss up. The GT750 comes with this RF emitter, whereas with the VIP Theater, it may be hit or miss with the device/unit, need the glasses and emitter, possible flicker, etc. etc. But if the general consensus is good to go with VIP and a 60hz PJ, then I may reconsider. I only need a short throw PJ because I already have the 8100 in place. I don't need two PJ's and to be honest, I use the projector as my computer display and when I had a GT720, the Windows 7 environment wasn't as sharp via the GT720 as it was on the 8100, for obvious reasons, so I would rather just stick with my 8100, but I'm not sure if I ought to go with the guarantee successful route (a new 3D PJ) or get the VIP. This thread is sort of all over the place and I'm not really grasping that this is "the" device to get.
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post #1615 of 2068
10/20/11 at 5:06am
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Originally Posted by BishopLord View Post

Regarding your comment last week about the back order, you're right. Some sites stated this, others didn't. The one that didn't, I posted the link. The sites that said they were back ordered stated they were expecting a shipment around the 17th. Glad you got them and it's working out for you.

So, how is this working out for you? I'm a little spit on my decision to buy the new GT750, or just get a VIP Theater to use with my Epson 8100. It's kind of a toss up. The GT750 comes with this RF emitter, whereas with the VIP Theater, it may be hit or miss with the device/unit, need the glasses and emitter, possible flicker, etc. etc. But if the general consensus is good to go with VIP and a 60hz PJ, then I may reconsider. I only need a short throw PJ because I already have the 8100 in place. I don't need two PJ's and to be honest, I use the projector as my computer display and when I had a GT720, the Windows 7 environment wasn't as sharp via the GT720 as it was on the 8100, for obvious reasons, so I would rather just stick with my 8100, but I'm not sure if I ought to go with the guarantee successful route (a new 3D PJ) or get the VIP. This thread is sort of all over the place and I'm not really grasping that this is "the" device to get.


Personally if your not in a hurry I would hold off for now as I sense we are getting close to seeing a second generation Theater and RF glasses.
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post #1616 of 2068
10/20/11 at 9:01am
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Originally Posted by BishopLord View Post

Regarding your comment last week about the back order, you're right. Some sites stated this, others didn't. The one that didn't, I posted the link. The sites that said they were back ordered stated they were expecting a shipment around the 17th. Glad you got them and it's working out for you.

So, how is this working out for you? I'm a little spit on my decision to buy the new GT750, or just get a VIP Theater to use with my Epson 8100. It's kind of a toss up. The GT750 comes with this RF emitter, whereas with the VIP Theater, it may be hit or miss with the device/unit, need the glasses and emitter, possible flicker, etc. etc. But if the general consensus is good to go with VIP and a 60hz PJ, then I may reconsider. I only need a short throw PJ because I already have the 8100 in place. I don't need two PJ's and to be honest, I use the projector as my computer display and when I had a GT720, the Windows 7 environment wasn't as sharp via the GT720 as it was on the 8100, for obvious reasons, so I would rather just stick with my 8100, but I'm not sure if I ought to go with the guarantee successful route (a new 3D PJ) or get the VIP. This thread is sort of all over the place and I'm not really grasping that this is "the" device to get.

My wife and I are extremely happy with the Theater and glasses combo. Our 10 year old Mitsubishi CRT RPTV works great with the setup as long as duty cycle and delay are kept within certain limits. Flicker is not objectionable for us, although it might be for others.

From what I've read here, the hot setup for the VIP units is to pair them with a 3D-ready DLP FP or RPTV. The RF glasses are reported to deliver a better picture than DLP Link ones do since they don't rely on the DLPLink flash (which can screw up color rendition) for sync. You can bypass the display's 3D mode-which prevents DLPLink flashing-but still send content at 120 Hz, which makes flicker pretty much a non-issue.

BTW, the Optoma glasses charged up just fine and work perfectly with the VIP RF transmitter, as I expected they would. Somewhat surprisingly, the LEDs didn't flicker the way they do when receiving new firmware the first time the glasses synced to the transmitter, indicating updated firmware is already loaded.
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post #1617 of 2068
10/20/11 at 9:40am
Thanks for the info. Good to hear.
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post #1618 of 2068
10/20/11 at 12:21pm
Are there JVC RS25 (or RS20 or RS35) users out here who tried the Theater? What are the thoughts (eg compared to the new Sony HW30)
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post #1619 of 2068
10/20/11 at 2:00pm
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Originally Posted by sanderdvd View Post

Are there JVC RS25 (or RS20 or RS35) users out here who tried the Theater? What are the thoughts (eg compared to the new Sony HW30)

A search of this forum reveals that you've posted similar questions several times without any answers. Why not just step up to the plate and try it for yourself? Let us know how it goes.
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post #1620 of 2068
10/21/11 at 12:03pm
Hi there, first time poster.

I have read every post in this thread over the past few days and it's GREAT to see how the community here has been helping each other with there problems as well as help VIP make better products.

I have an Optoma HD200X (which I think is a variant of the HD20) and I am confident the Theater should work (it's a 1080p/60Hz projector), however my question is, has anyone reading this tread use it with either a HD200X or HD20.

Consignia has already shipped my VIP 3D RF Glasses kit (which I will use with what ever my 3D setup ends up being), but I would like any community feedback on either those models before I completely convince myself to pull the trigger.

Thank you all in advance.
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