3D Theatre - VIP Product Thread - Page 65

You would need to determine if the "downloaded" content is in an acceptable form since there is no standard. If you were viewing cable or satellite 3D SBS or T2B then the P1 should merge the image. The 3D content would need to be in the form as stated in the Displayer/Theater datasheets.

3DNow has posted their product brochure. Though not thoroughly described, the new RF shutter glasses will have significant refinement compared to what we now have. I am examining the new manual but not a liberty at this time to point out the new changes.

http://3dnow.com/downloads/3DNow-Brochure.pdf

3D MODES SUPPORTED: Frame packing:
720p60, 720p50, 720p30, 1080p24, 1080p25,
1080p30, Side-by-Side and Top-Bottom modes

3D OUTPUT: Field Interleaved for 60/120Hz
displays STANDARD

It seem totally the same as VIP 3D theatre without any upgrade....

since the Displayer seem still not supporting my BDP, therefore my only choice is take it to my bedroom for PS3 gaming...... ~_~

on the other hand, are there any 720p projector with HDMI 1.4 to support 3D ?
is it only Optoma GT750E and Acer 5360BD ??

also VIP3D Displayer can work as 3D-XL, to be use on Dual Projector for passive 3D solution?

oh my god !!
Displayer not able to make Dual Projector system?!
so disappointed !!

seem VIP3D and 3D now have no solution for Dual Projection (passive 3D).

actually if the new Theatre Plus can support the Dual Projector for passive 3D, I'm very interesting to upgrade my displayer for it.

hope there have a good news for me.

Theater Plus was not designed for that purpose so I couldn't turn that into good news. Do they have a solution for that? I am sure they do but in the competitive world of electronics 3DNow is not about to make an announcement as yet.

I go to a local RealD cinema and enjoy the 3D projected there but the wife and myself usually comment when watching the same films at home they look considerably better with active RF glasses at 120hz with a DLP projector. Not so much in overall appearance but in the 3D depth portion.

You also would need the same projector models to get proper convergence as well. Not sure if you were considering that aspect.

Have a tech question.

Hooked up a vip theater to an epson 705hd lcd projector. Experiencing a lot of flicker, juddering, and crosstalk with the 60hz signal. Managed to sort of get an acceptable image by adjusting the duty cycle of the monstervision emitter. (Can get some of the image to converge properly but the rest remains blurry.) The combination of 60hz and lcd just is not working for me. Here is where things get interesting.
If I set the vip to 120hz output I get the signal (not in 3d) with a line running through it like its trying to refresh. Looking at the projector manual the vga input on the projector has different refresh rates. So if I picked up a monoprice hdmi to vga adapter is there a chance it might work off the vga input.
My sources were a PS3 and a roku box (Wealthtv 3d channel, side by side). I have gotten the same results with both.

That projector would need to be used at the 60hz setting. What 3D BluRay titles are you playing through the PS3?

In some 3D content, depending on how they worked their cameras, the foreground may seem sharp but the background will blurr. Not saying that applies to your situation but it is possible. You also need to find a good compromise between Duty Cycle and Delay Cycle as they can have some interaction. It's my understanding from 3dVIP that some of the cable 3D content can be worse as far as quality and standards are concerned.

You mentioned only adjusting Duty Cycle, so for now I think you might be off on the fine tuning as yet.

Also make sure any advanced settings in the projector are turned OFF, like noise reduction and such. Try cycling through the mode options and see their effect like Cinema, Game and whatever other options are available. Re-enable the options you turned off one at a time to discover the option that may have caused the issue.

Just some things to try if you haven't.

Has anyone ever tried the 3D Theatre with the Epson 8100 projector?

You don't get full res with this. it zoom in the picture so it can do side by side. The more depth you get the more zoom in require.

I tried using the vip3d theater with an epson 8100...unsuccessfully.
Never could get rid enough of the flickering and ghosting to actually enjoy the content.
Received one of the first models when it first came out. Jonathan really did his best to help me out but could never really get it do what it was supposed to do.

Did receive the updated model with rf glasses and receiver.
Had better results but again, even with tinkering with the settings could never get it to where it was satisfactory for me. Could never get the entire screen to sync.

Tried it with an in focus 76 and other than the brightness issue and some flickering, the image was great.

Ended up getting the optoma hd66. The vip3d theater worked wonderfully with it.

Ah well, I use the Epson as a back up/gaming projector, and wanted to be able to play 3D games on it. Guess I'll just have to use the JVC RS40 when a 3D title comes along. DLP's give me a headache.

Well, its was a nice experiment, but I'm packing it in. No matter how much adjusting and tinkering I do with the vip theater and an epson 705hd I just can't get an acceptable image. Too much crosstalk and ghosting (Can't get the entire image to sync properly)
Guess I'll just pack it away until I pick up a 3d ready projector or monitor that it works well with.
Also tried it with an benq w500 projector and the results were the same. (actually a little worse)

Nice piece of tech. Just doesn't work well with the displays I have around.

When you were trying it out did you disable any special video enhancements like noise reduction, trumotion etc? Also did you cycle through the modes like Cinema to see the effect? Any menu option that modifies the frames can cause those issues, basically it's trial and error one at a time to see which option may cause the abnormality.

You may have done all of that but just mentioning it in case of oversight.

Also some content has those flaws albeit not throughout the entire length of the film. You didn't mention what titles you tried.

Help and advice needed. I recently purchased an InFocus IN5316HD projector. Its one of the two top end large venue projectors from InFocus. Oddly the two lesser models are 3D capable. And are not True HD projectors although they can accept HD signals and display them. I was speaking with a tech support person from Consignia.com since I am considering purchasing the VIP 3d Theater unit. I was told that the requirements for 1080i and 1080p 3d projection at the full 120hz is the Horizontal spec on the refresh for the DLP projector and in reviewing my InFocus IN5316HD spec sheet the Horizontal refresh is in fact the same for all the 5300 series projection units across the board. The refresh is in fact the same for all models on the vertical and horizontal.

So my big question is ...what glasses am I going for? Is it the 60/120 or will the 120's do the trick. Is the fact that my DLP unit is at the proper refresh for 3d the true requirement? Or would there be some other reason InFocus would not rate the two top end units in this series as 3d capable?

My bad....I meant the vertical refresh is required to be 120Hz. And my projecter hits that number on the vertical refresh requirement. Same question applies. 3D? Glasses?

anyone?

The 3D Theatre outputs 720p in 3D not 1080p.

The specs say otherwise For the VIP 3d Theater, This is not the VIP 3d gamer. Its the 3D Theater version

Specifications:

INPUT: 1 x HDMI v1.4a (HDCP Compliant)
OUTPUT: 1 x HDMI v1.3 (HDCP Compliant) 3-pin mini-DIN Sync Out (for optional IR Emitter)
SERVICE: USB for firmware upgrades
POWER: via USB cable
AUDIO: HDMI audio passthrough
VIDEO MODES: NTSC 480i/p, PAL 576i/p, HDTV 720p/1080i/1080p
3D MODES SUPPORTED:

Frame packing: 720p60, 720p50, 720p30, 1080p24, 1080p25, 1080p30
Side-by-Side (SBS): 1080i60, 1080i50, 1080p24, 1080p30, 720p60, 720p50, 720p30
Top-Bottom (TnB): 1080p24, 1080p25, 1080p30, 720p60, 720p50, 720p30
3D OUTPUT: Field Interleaved for 60/120hz displays
STANDARD ACCESSORIES: USB Cable, Quick start guide
OPTIONAL ACCESSORIES: DLP-Link 3D Glasses for DLP 3D Ready 120hz Projectors/TV's, External 60/120hz 3D Glasses with IR Emitter for all other displays (ie. 60hz non 3D Ready Projectors or TV's)

The specs do not mention this, but although the 3D Theater is compatible with 1080p input, it only outputs 720p. Please see the FAQ on this page: http://www.curtpalme.com/3DTheatre.shtm


"What output resolution does the 3D-Theater support with 3D content?
The 3D-Theater outputs 720p/60 or 720p/120. A switch on the 3D-Theater is used to select between 60 and 120Hz."

is there a 1080p solution other than the VIP 3d theater, and is it really required if the bitrate on the 720P output is up to par? There are plenty of 1080i broadcasts and 1080p media where the bitrate sampling isn't worth the effort to press play.

I believe this was the reason behind the Apple iTV and it was a valid point. A good 720p output with excellent bitrate is far better than a mediocre 1080i/p implementation.

My question still applies though. Given the output on my InFocus IN5316hd, with a 120Hz vertical refresh then shouldn't I be able to connect a 3d DVD player or and VIP 3d conversion unit with the 120Hz options for glasses?

anyone?

I think comparing semantics on statistics is really not the route I intended to go.

But if anyone has a good suggestion on a better alternative I'm all for it. Just give me a bit of direction.

I have 3dfury http://www.3dfury.com on order. Not sure how it is but I was on the fence between the 2 units and the fury seems to handle alot more output formats. However the 3d now version of theater is supposed to be 1080p output but I don't think they are available yet.

Sure it accepts all the formats but outputs at 720p/120. It will pass through all the 1080p 2D formats just fine. Nothing wrong with 720p...the image is quite good. Projectors are only coming to market now with the new HDMI chips that can handle 120hz and 1080p at the same time. Some projectors can do it internally but couldn't accept it directly via HDMI. Not even sure if any new projectors can do it yet. I haven't been paying very close attention to the new stuff. I can say that this converter works great though. If you have Directv it auto changes 3D modes. I love it! Using an Acer H5360 projector for 3D duties only and its fabulous...especially with 3D blurays. I use my JVC RS1 for 2D viewing. I also use the RF glasses if you are interested. No ghosting and very sharp clean picture.

As I also responded to your related question in the Displayer thread I won't repeat it here. Your IN5316 should give similar performance at 120Hz like mine and Ronomy's AcerH5360. That and RF glasses and you are in business.

Like I mentioned in that thread the Displayer is "discontinued" and Jonathan has not appeared in here as yet to verify what the new Theater capabilities will be outside of what the 3DNow brochure implies.

Then really at this point its just wiser to wait it out and see what's coming. I'd hate to have settled for a rush decision when something new is just around the corner. Even as an early adaptor of newer a model it would be nice to have a matched conversion unit to the spec of my projector.

Thanks so much for all the feedback. Very much appreciated.

When I was recently trying to adjust the rf emitter,It stopped letting Me adjust the timing.The power is still working and the green buttons still move when I push them.They however have no effect on the 3d pictureOn the MonsterVision 3d manager it states 0hz and will not let Me do anyhing Now the glasses will not sync with the rf emitter.They just continue to flash red.Passthrough 2d works and there is a 3d picture on the 3d channels.I am using it with a 60hz Epson 6100 projector.Is there a reset button on The Theater Unit?Will a 3d DLp Link projector work without an emitter.Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks

Just power cycle the Theater unit and it should reset. Also if you want to buy dlp link glasses with a dlp link capable projector it will work but you can't use the rf glasses with dlp link.

I unplugged everything and still no success.I moved the dip switch up from 60hz to 120hz and the picture still worked in 3d.My display is 60hz and would not work at 120hz.When connecting the Monstervision 3d Manager it still says 0hz.Apparently,The Theater Unit is stuck.The 3d manager did let Me adjust settings,But without the glasses able to sync I do not know if It did anything.I do not want to get a DLP 3d Link projector if I do not know if the unit will work at 120hz.Any other suggestions would be appreciated.I have a call in to Jonathon.Hopefully,He will be able to help if no one else has any ideas. Thanks

First what are you using for a USB power supply?

Illustrate your connections between devices like so:

BluRay>>Theater>>Epson

When 3D content begins are all LEDs lit on the Theater? If so, the transmitter LEDs should switch from Red to Green. You should have Dipswitch#1 Down and all others Up for your Epson (60hz). The 3D Manager software does not report the "sync" frequency, only the the relative settings of the Duty and Delay cycle. When using the manager software as you move the joystick UDLR, those settings should change as well. Do they? Make sure you have put the transmitter in tuning mode.

What are the "green" buttons you refer to in your previous post? Even before making the "tuning mode" adjustments you should still be seeing a shuttering effect taking place in the glasses, are the shutters functioning?

Your Epson proj. should work with this, we just need to make sure everything is being communicated correctly to see what is causing the issue.

I assume the RF glasses are "paired" to the transmitter, that is confirmed when the 3D signal is present and the transmitter switches from strobing Red LEDs to solid Green and simultaneously the RF glasses begin shuttering, even though not at that moment tuned for optimum. Please confirm that as well.