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post #2011 of 2235
For the old style 3D Theater and 3D Displayer, I've always read it's better to turn off 1080/24 but I leave it on for my 3D Displayer and it works well.

Why is it recommended to turn of 24Fps?...
post #2012 of 2235
i have a vizio 55" led 240hz tv and i've ordered a vip theater to play 3d blu rays with my computer. i have power dvd 12 and tridef at the moment neither recognize the display as being 3d (and its not). When vip theater gets here will tridef and prowerdvd12 recognize the 3d input and play my 3d blu ray, media files and games? how long does vip take to ship?
post #2013 of 2235
Maybe.

And,... I don't know about the shipping times.
post #2014 of 2235
thanks Brian anyone else have any ideas?
post #2015 of 2235
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Originally Posted by Caseyr547 View Post

i have a vizio 55" led 240hz tv and i've ordered a vip theater to play 3d blu rays with my computer. i have power dvd 12 and tridef at the moment neither recognize the display as being 3d (and its not). When vip theater gets here will tridef and prowerdvd12 recognize the 3d input and play my 3d blu ray, media files and games? how long does vip take to ship?

I use PowerDVD12, and it recognized my Theater unit as a 3D display just fine. I ordered my Theater from Consignia in Canada, and it took a business day for them to ship (actually, since I ordered on a Friday and they shipped on Monday, it was 3 days), and I got the package here in California four days later.
Edited by Rolls-Royce - 1/25/13 at 9:34am
post #2016 of 2235
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Originally Posted by Rolls-Royce View Post

I have a Theater+ on its way and hopefully will have it before the coming weekend. Will post on the differences I see between it and my Theater unit. Looking forward to the 7.1 audio with 3D!smile.gif
I received my Theater Plus last week, but due to various and sundry other issues, I haven't been able to devote much time to using it. To you guys who use PJs, I'm sorry, but I'm using mine with an older CRT RPTV that accepts a max 1080i60 signal, so I can't comment about the new refresh rates available with the Plus. Having said that, the 3D picture is definitely sharper and more solid than from the earlier Theater. This may be partly due to the picture's not needing to be upscaled from 720p to 1080 and then reinterlaced like it did with the Theater. With the Plus outputting 1080p, it only has to be reinterlaced. And it is great to see the DTSHD-MA or TrueHD indicators lighting up on my Onkyo 3007 and to hear the extra discrete channels kicking in, when watching 3D content.
post #2017 of 2235
Thanks Rolls-Royce that makes me feel much better. Anyone have any experience with tridef and vip theater?
post #2018 of 2235
Hey guys

I seem to be confused on a few things- please shed some light on the following;

1- the 3DNOW product states resolution of up to 1080P what about audio? I assume their product is the same as the NEW THEATER + from VIP? or is it a typo and its just a re branded original VIP THEATER?

2- Im not really understanding the audio side of things. If my PS3 connects to my reciever and it then takes this signal and outputs its 7.1 audio, then what does it matter if I get the theater or theater +? I assume you connect it in this order ps3 -> reciever that outputs the audio-> the HDMI out from the reciever -> INPUT of 3D converter box -> projector? or does it HAVE to be PS3 -> 3d converter box THEN to the reciever?

3 in terms of the standard VIP theater VS the VIP theater +, does the standard theater output 1080p at all? or is it ONLY 720p?

4) I have a benq W600 with the following refresh rates Horizontal Frequency 31-92 kHz ,Vertical Scan Rate 48-85 Hz. Knowing this would I benifit from the VIP theater + new refresh rates (72/96?) Im not too sure which numbers asre the ones I should be looking at but would it be locked at 72 or 92?

5) is there a real difference from 3d 72/96hz vs the 3d at 60hz?


thanks so much in advance !!!

getting these answeres will help before I pull the trigger.
post #2019 of 2235
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Originally Posted by Rolls-Royce View Post

I received my Theater Plus last week, but due to various and sundry other issues, I haven't been able to devote much time to using it. To you guys who use PJs, I'm sorry, but I'm using mine with an older CRT RPTV that accepts a max 1080i60 signal, so I can't comment about the new refresh rates available with the Plus. Having said that, the 3D picture is definitely sharper and more solid than from the earlier Theater. This may be partly due to the picture's not needing to be upscaled from 720p to 1080 and then reinterlaced like it did with the Theater. With the Plus outputting 1080p, it only has to be reinterlaced. And it is great to see the DTSHD-MA or TrueHD indicators lighting up on my Onkyo 3007 and to hear the extra discrete channels kicking in, when watching 3D content.

I have a Pioneer RPTV that accepts 1080i60.

How do you reinterlace the 1080P output of the Plus to 1080i60?

Thanks,

Bob
post #2020 of 2235
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Originally Posted by rjruby View Post

I have a Pioneer RPTV that accepts 1080i60.

How do you reinterlace the 1080P output of the Plus to 1080i60?

Thanks,

Bob

Ah. I knew somebody would ask-probably should have said it in my last post. I run all HD signals through a Radiance Mini 3D, which does the reinterlacing. Since the Radiance Mini is HDMI only, and my Mits RPTV doesn't have DVI or HDMI inputs, the last stage is an HDMI-to-RGBHV converter purchased from overseas.
post #2021 of 2235
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Originally Posted by corcoran_chris View Post

Hey guys

I seem to be confused on a few things- please shed some light on the following;

1- the 3DNOW product states resolution of up to 1080P what about audio? I assume their product is the same as the NEW THEATER + from VIP? or is it a typo and its just a re branded original VIP THEATER?

2- Im not really understanding the audio side of things. If my PS3 connects to my reciever and it then takes this signal and outputs its 7.1 audio, then what does it matter if I get the theater or theater +? I assume you connect it in this order ps3 -> reciever that outputs the audio-> the HDMI out from the reciever -> INPUT of 3D converter box -> projector? or does it HAVE to be PS3 -> 3d converter box THEN to the reciever?

3 in terms of the standard VIP theater VS the VIP theater +, does the standard theater output 1080p at all? or is it ONLY 720p?

4) I have a benq W600 with the following refresh rates Horizontal Frequency 31-92 kHz ,Vertical Scan Rate 48-85 Hz. Knowing this would I benifit from the VIP theater + new refresh rates (72/96?) Im not too sure which numbers asre the ones I should be looking at but would it be locked at 72 or 92?

5) is there a real difference from 3d 72/96hz vs the 3d at 60hz?


thanks so much in advance !!!

getting these answeres will help before I pull the trigger.

Hi, Chris. Based on the photos on the 3DNOW website, that is identical to the VIP Theater, which does not output 1080p in 3D mode, only 720p. Only the Theater Plus does 1080p and 7.1 audio (I've owned the Theater for over a year, and just got a Plus). Both units can pass 1080p when watching regular 2D content.

If your receiver is not HDMI 1.4 equipped, then it cannot extract the audio from a 3D signal-the audio is in a different part of the datastream and won't be picked out and decoded. In that case, the Theater or Plus HAS to go before the receiver so it can extract the audio and send it out in HDMI 1.3 format that your receiver can decode.

The frequencies used by the Theater and Plus are discrete and set by dipswitches on the box so your display must match them. Although the Plus can do 96, your projector can't, so you'd have to set for 72. Any increase in speed from 60Hz is useful in reducing flicker.
post #2022 of 2235
that extra 12hz difference is worth the price 599 price point vs 299? would it be THAT Much of a difference? My reciever is 1.4 3d Marantz SR5006 so I think I could get 7.1 with the standard theater. I am now just worried about the 1080P vs 720 and the 60 vs 72 hz.....

how did you find the difference?
post #2023 of 2235
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Originally Posted by Rolls-Royce View Post

Ah. I knew somebody would ask-probably should have said it in my last post. I run all HD signals through a Radiance Mini 3D, which does the reinterlacing. Since the Radiance Mini is HDMI only, and my Mits RPTV doesn't have DVI or HDMI inputs, the last stage is an HDMI-to-RGBHV converter purchased from overseas.

Thanks for your prompt response.

You had my interest peaked until I saw the price for the Radiance Mini 3D.

I think that rather than buy all of the components I need to view 3D on my Pioneer RPTV, I'll put that money towards a new 3D ready TV.

Thanks again.
post #2024 of 2235
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Originally Posted by rjruby View Post

Thanks for your prompt response.

You had my interest peaked until I saw the price for the Radiance Mini 3D.

I think that rather than buy all of the components I need to view 3D on my Pioneer RPTV, I'll put that money towards a new 3D ready TV.

Thanks again.

Before I got the Radiance, I was using the Reon video processor in my Onkyo receiver to do the scaling. I just prefer the Radiance since it's fully calibratable (and is why I got it). If your Pioneer can accept 720p input (some older RPTVs could), you don't need scaling.
post #2025 of 2235
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Originally Posted by corcoran_chris View Post

that extra 12hz difference is worth the price 599 price point vs 299? would it be THAT Much of a difference? My reciever is 1.4 3d Marantz SR5006 so I think I could get 7.1 with the standard theater. I am now just worried about the 1080P vs 720 and the 60 vs 72 hz.....

how did you find the difference?

Understand that when I bought my Theater in 2011, it had just come out and was $599. So for the same price as I originally paid, I got a much-improved feature set. With a 1.4 receiver, you're golden. You can place the box between the receiver and display and have full HD audio regardless of which one you go with.
post #2026 of 2235
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Originally Posted by avswilier View Post

Looks like the Theater Plus only outputs 72hz at 720p and 1080p at 60Hz based on the Dip switch table on the curte Palme website.

I would be interested in getting SgtVideos review to see how flicker is reduced.


Wait wait wait.....this post just threw a wrench into my decisions.


so with the new theater + I can ONLY get 72HZ with 720p? if I wanted the benefit of 1080P I would ONLY be able to have 60hz? so in reality if my projector can only do a 60hz and 72hz in reality, the only upgrad benifit for me would be 720@72 vs the 720@60 with the older theater model? Of course I COULD do 1080P but again, I would be back at the 60hz refresh?


and again to confirm

I can get 7.1 audio with the OLD theater as long as my reciever is 1.4 3D ready and I hook up the 3Dtheater on the output HDMI of the reciever before it goes to projector?

EDIT- THANKS ROLLS you posted a second before me ! Question answered but will leave up for others. cool.gif
thanks again !


Chris
post #2027 of 2235
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Originally Posted by Rolls-Royce View Post

Before I got the Radiance, I was using the Reon video processor in my Onkyo receiver to do the scaling. I just prefer the Radiance since it's fully calibratable (and is why I got it). If your Pioneer can accept 720p input (some older RPTVs could), you don't need scaling.

No luck. My Pioneer only accepts 480i, 480p and 1080i on its component inputs.
post #2028 of 2235
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Originally Posted by rjruby View Post

No luck. My Pioneer only accepts 480i, 480p and 1080i on its component inputs.

Same as my Mitsubishi. Some of the Toshibas of that era could accept 720p, which is why I mentioned it. I had added the HDMI capability and video-scaling receiver a number of years ago so didn't count them in the 3D setup costs.
post #2029 of 2235
It's crazy to post this now because I've had the 3D Displayer since they were released.

However, a little over a year ago I bought a Plasma 3dtv and packed the 3D Displayer away and used my front projector only for 2D.

Recently , I started missing 3D in the HT so I started looking into it again and learned about the new style glasses too.

Now I have the 3D Displayer setup again and I'm enjoying 3D in my HT like never before. I love this product so much I nearly can't find the words.
post #2030 of 2235
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Originally Posted by Brian Hampton View Post

It's crazy to post this now because I've had the 3D Displayer since they were released.

However, a little over a year ago I bought a Plasma 3dtv and packed the 3D Displayer away and used my front projector only for 2D.

Recently , I started missing 3D in the HT so I started looking into it again and learned about the new style glasses too.

Now I have the 3D Displayer setup again and I'm enjoying 3D in my HT like never before. I love this product so much I nearly can't find the words.


.....................aaaaaaaaaaaaaand order placed.
post #2031 of 2235
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Originally Posted by corcoran_chris View Post

.....................aaaaaaaaaaaaaand order placed.

Awesome ... Hope you love it.

Good Luck.

I've been so happy with mine.
post #2032 of 2235
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Originally Posted by Brian Hampton View Post

Awesome ... Hope you love it.

Good Luck.

I've been so happy with mine.
+1!
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post #2033 of 2235
I have a 3DNow 3d Theater. It works great with my OPPO BDP-93 and Epson 8350. I also use a DVDO iScan Duo which passes 3D signals perfectly.

I just bought PowerDVD 12, and I can't for the life of me get 3D output to work. I hear the audio, but I get no picture. Regular 2D stuff plays fine.

My computer has an Intel i7 3770k, 16GB ram. I'm using the HDMI output on my ASUS motherboard that uses the Intel HD 4000 integrated graphics chip.

Any ideas?
post #2034 of 2235
Hi, Kilgore. I also use PowerDVD12, and it worked just fine with my Theater. My laptop has the Intel HD3000 chipset, so yours should work too. Mine came up with a warning to change to a different resolution when in HDMI or 3D mode, and after making the change, things were perfect. I would suggest going into clone rather than split display mode, then single display once it's up and running. I had read a post by someone some time ago that his wouldn't work in split display mode, and I found that to be the case as well.
post #2035 of 2235
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Originally Posted by Rolls-Royce View Post

Hi, Kilgore. I also use PowerDVD12, and it worked just fine with my Theater. My laptop has the Intel HD3000 chipset, so yours should work too. Mine came up with a warning to change to a different resolution when in HDMI or 3D mode, and after making the change, things were perfect. I would suggest going into clone rather than split display mode, then single display once it's up and running. I had read a post by someone some time ago that his wouldn't work in split display mode, and I found that to be the case as well.

I have a Dual display setup with two 23" Acer monitors. One is VGA, the other is DVI. My Projector is connected to my HDMI port. Normally, for everyday use, I have extended desktop setup using the two Acers. When I try to run PowerDVD, I switch to my Projector as the sole display. I don't have the computer in extended or clone mode when I try it. My computer is set to 1920 x 1080, with 3D enabled. I set the Source and Display settings in the 3D menu of PowerDVD to Auto. No 3D. I even tried individual display settings in PowerDVD (1080p24, 720p60, etc. No 3D. Regular films, Blu-ray or DVD playback fine. Even a 3D film will play if I disable 3D. Otherwise, if I enable 3D, I can hear the audio, but my screen is blanked.

Have my 3D Theater after my Duo, and before my Epson projector. All my devices (PC included) are plugged into the Duo. I get 3D from my OPPO BDP-93 fine. I even get 3D from my XBOX 360 (Arkham City). This tells me that my Duo passes 3D fine.
post #2036 of 2235
Funny thing is that the resolution I was asked to change to isn't a standard HT resolution like 1080 or 720. It's been awhile since I tried it (to troubleshoot some 3d image instability I was seeing), and I don't remember the exact numbers.
post #2037 of 2235
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Originally Posted by Rolls-Royce View Post

Funny thing is that the resolution I was asked to change to isn't a standard HT resolution like 1080 or 720. It's been awhile since I tried it (to troubleshoot some 3d image instability I was seeing), and I don't remember the exact numbers.

At some point, if you get the chance, I'd really appreciate it if you could look up the precise resolution. I can't figure this out at all.

EDIT: I should add that I also ran the Cyberlink BD and 3D Adivisor program. I passed everything.
Edited by Kilgore - 2/2/13 at 10:09pm
post #2038 of 2235
Are you getting the 3 link lights on the Theater when using PowerDVD in 3D mode? If not, it's possible that the 2D-only EDIDs from the VGA and/or DVI monitors may be preventing 3D output, much as 2D and 3D displays on the same switch will cause the switch to present the lowest-capable EDID to a source to prevent that display from being sent a signal it can't handle.
post #2039 of 2235
i ordered my vip theater from vip 3d on the 23rd of jan. the 25th they said it would ship the 29th due to a back order of glasses. Now they are not responding to emails. At $430 I expected it to ship the first week with a tracking number. I'm going to paypal and getting my money back and find a different distributor or maybe a 3d now from Consignia. Is there a big difference between the 3d now and vip theater?
post #2040 of 2235
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Originally Posted by Caseyr547 View Post

i ordered my vip theater from vip 3d on the 23rd of jan. the 25th they said it would ship the 29th due to a back order of glasses. Now they are not responding to emails. At $430 I expected it to ship the first week with a tracking number. I'm going to paypal and getting my money back and find a different distributor or maybe a 3d now from Consignia. Is there a big difference between the 3d now and vip theater?

They are the same box, just different silkscreening on top.

I think VIP is pretty much a one-man shop. Jonathan is very good supporting his customers but he stays pretty busy, travels a lot, and is sometimes behind on his emails.
Edited by Rolls-Royce - 2/3/13 at 10:50pm
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