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post #331 of 2071
Has anyone tested a LCD 60Hz projector as of yet ?

I emailed VIP back in Jan and here's their response....


Thanks XXXXXX for your inquiry. 3D Gamer should work with all DLP 120Hz projectors and televisions. Unfortunately, we did not get to test it on Panasonic AE4000. However, having looked at the specs, I don't think 3D-Gamer is compatible with this projector - no mention of 120Hz compatibility.



We do have another product, 3D-Displayer, that will work with games/movies via PS3 and any other 3D-Blu Ray player and can be connected to all 60Hz/120Hz displays. The product is on our website.

Do write again if I can address additional questions. You may click on the Facebook icon on the website and download the flyer on 3D-Displayer with specs.



Thanks & Cheers!

561-262-0980
post #332 of 2071
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Originally Posted by Blue Rain View Post

Has anyone tested a LCD 60Hz projector as of yet ?

I emailed VIP back in Jan and here's their response....


Thanks XXXXXX for your inquiry. 3D Gamer should work with all DLP 120Hz projectors and televisions. Unfortunately, we did not get to test it on Panasonic AE4000. However, having looked at the specs, I don’t think 3D-Gamer is compatible with this projector – no mention of 120Hz compatibility.



We do have another product, 3D-Displayer, that will work with games/movies via PS3 and any other 3D-Blu Ray player and can be connected to all 60Hz/120Hz displays. The product is on our website.

Do write again if I can address additional questions. You may click on the Facebook icon on the website and download the flyer on 3D-Displayer with specs.



Thanks & Cheers!

561-262-0980

Blue rain, if you look back at the first post in this thread, chzbgr2 used the 3d Theater with the 60hz epson 8100 with success. The panasonic 4000 should work just as well. In the response you posted you asked about the 3d Gamer, a different unit.

I'm getting my 3d theater tomorrow or Tuesday, and I will be looking specifically at two things with my garden variety 60hz Viewsonic pro8100, the amount of flicker, and if brightness is adequate with a typical brightness projector.
post #333 of 2071
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Originally Posted by adude View Post

I would suggest putting the 3d-theater after the duo, if you can. This way, all your sources will be processed by 3d-theater. I think duo can pass through the 3d signal. Putting it after duo will have minimum possible delay between the emitter and picture on the screen.

Yes but no CMS. I will try both ways but I hage an hdmi switcher for my directv box and a PS3 so I can use it before the Duo.
post #334 of 2071
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Originally Posted by Robert Clark View Post

Blue rain, if you look back at the first post in this thread, chzbgr2 used the 3d Theater with the 60hz epson 8100 with success. The panasonic 4000 should work just as well. In the response you posted you asked about the 3d Gamer, a different unit.

I'm getting my 3d theater tomorrow or Tuesday, and I will be looking specifically at two things with my garden variety 60hz Viewsonic pro8100, the amount of flicker, and if brightness is adequate with a typical brightness projector.

Hi Robert

I only see posts regarding DLP's and was wondering will the 3d theater work with a LCD PJ ?

Looking forward to your review regarding the flicker and brightness issues. I'm more concerned with flicker as I own a DaLite 2.8 so brightness won't be a big of an issue with me.

I'm more concerned if 60Hz LCD PJ will work and if they do how much of flicker
there is.


Thanks for the reply.
post #335 of 2071
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Originally Posted by Blue Rain View Post

Hi Robert

I only see posts regarding DLP's and was wondering will the 3d theater work with a LCD PJ ?

Looking forward to your review regarding the flicker and brightness issues. I'm more concerned with flicker as I own a DaLite 2.8 so brightness won't be a big of an issue with me.

I'm more concerned if 60Hz LCD PJ will work and if they do how much of flicker
there is.


Thanks for the reply.

I too have a 133" high power but with my 3d experIences you can never have enough brightness!

Cheeseburger reported success with his 60hz LCD projector so I'm hoping for the best.
post #336 of 2071
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Originally Posted by tequila66 View Post

Can this item work with the JVC DLA-RS1?
It's a very interesting device.

I will let you know when I get my 3D-Theater. I have an RS1.

Ron
post #337 of 2071
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Originally Posted by Robert Clark View Post

I too have a 133" high power but with my 3d experIences you can never have enough brightness!

Cheeseburger reported success with his 60hz LCD projector so I'm hoping for the best.

True....never enough brightness with a 133"

Sorry I thought Cheeseburger had success with a dlp ..thanks for correcting me.

GGoodluck and thanks again !

Edit: I see CB tested both a dlp and lcd and I only watched the dlp video ..my mistake.
post #338 of 2071
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Originally Posted by Ronomy View Post


I will let you know when I get my 3D-Theater. I have an RS1.

Ron

I would think brightness would be a real challenge. Can't wait to hear your impressions.
post #339 of 2071
Well I bit the bullet and cancelled the 3D-XL and ordered the 3D Displayer. Just not happy with all the date changes. Hope I get a reasonable date from VIP.
post #340 of 2071
Whats up with VIP's website...really needs some updating....been like this since I last visited in Jan.

Heads up VIP...Product link is screwy...first you have all 3 listed ..gamer..displayer and Theater...if you click on anyone of these or any other tab link then go back to product link you can't get back to the page where all 3 are listed. You have to go all the way back
to where you started from to see all 3 products listed.

When I go to make a purchase only the Gamer shows up in the cart...what gives ?

I wanted to place an order for the Theater and noticed they also have the Displayer but you can't buy either one....only the gamer which I don't need because it's for DLP.

What's the difference between the 3D-Displayer and 3D-Theater products ?


Thanks
post #341 of 2071
Getting one of these adapters is arguably better than a display with built in 3d since you can use it on others displays you already own.
post #342 of 2071
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Originally Posted by Deja Vu View Post

I suspect very affordable 60hz per eye 3D 1080p projectors (especially DLP) are just around the corner for 1080p/24hz BD playback. This may be a great option for those who are waiting. Personally I'd buy a 120hz 720p DLP for $500 to $800 and one of the VIP products and hookup a 3D BD player to it and away you go - a solid 3D image with no ghosting or flicker. Right now DLP wins when comes to a "ghost free" image and price.

For close to USD 800, you could get an Acer H5360BD 720p@120hz which support 1.4a, SBS and TnB format without additional adapter. Just get a few pair of DLP-Link glasses and you are in for ghosting free 3D experience which is better than local cinema passive 3D.

The advantage for VIP product is for those using existing 2D display and can tolerate 60hz 3D. Do I get eye strain watching movie? I found out it depends on the movie. If there is too much pop out effect, you might get eye strain and try not to focus on blurry object because no matter how hard you try, it will never focus as the director had set the lens to focus on object they want you to see.
post #343 of 2071
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Originally Posted by rjyap View Post


For close to USD 800, you could get an Acer H5360BD 720p@120hz which support 1.4a, SBS and TnB format without additional adapter. Just get a few pair of DLP-Link glasses and you are in for ghosting free 3D experience which is better than local cinema passive 3D.

The advantage for VIP product is for those using existing 2D display and can tolerate 60hz 3D. Do I get eye strain watching movie? I found out it depends on the movie. If there is too much pop out effect, you might get eye strain and try not to focus on blurry object because no matter how hard you try, it will never focus as the director had set the lens to focus on object they want you to see.

2 questions:

1) where can I buy the acer h5360bd?

2) I have a 6 year old sony LCD projector (VPL-HS10). It does not have an hdmi input, but does have dvi..can I use a hdmi to dvi adapter to allow the VIP theatre to work with this projector?

Thanks
post #344 of 2071
Where can I buy the theater version other than having to get it from Canada ?

VIP is located in Palm Beach Gardens, FL so why do we (USA) have to buy it from a Canada website ?

I don't understand...will someone explain to me what is going on here or am I missing something ?
post #345 of 2071
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Originally Posted by Blue Rain View Post

Where can I buy the theater version other than having to get it from Canada ?

VIP is located in Palm Beach Gardens, FL so why do we (USA) have to buy it from a Canada website ?

I don't understand...will someone explain to me what is going on here or am I missing something ?

This is a brand new product, official release date April 7. As you can imagine from the chatter on these forums, it's been very popular for folks with 2d projectors & TVs. They probably aren't updating the site to add online ordering until they are caught up with the preorders.

Contact Jonathan at VIP directly. They are taking orders via paypal & shipping in the order received.
post #346 of 2071
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Originally Posted by thebard View Post

This is a brand new product, official release date April 7. As you can imagine from the chatter on these forums, it's been very popular for folks with 2d projectors & TVs. They probably aren't updating the site to add online ordering until they are caught up with the preorders.

Contact Jonathan at VIP directly. They are taking orders via paypal & shipping in the order received.

Thanks
post #347 of 2071
[quote=rjyap;20285580]For close to USD 800, you could get an Acer H5360BD 720p@120hz which support 1.4a, SBS and TnB format without additional adapter. Just get a few pair of DLP-Link glasses and you are in for ghosting free 3D experience which is better than local cinema passive 3D.

Are you stating this as an opinion or fact. The theaters use a polarity rotator
in front of the projector which allows the use of passive glasses whereas the
DLP link glasses are the active element to blank the video. Both schemes are sequential. Different methods to achieve the same result. Ideally the superior scheme would be true cinema stereoscopic mode.
post #348 of 2071
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Originally Posted by Ronomy View Post

I will let you know when I get my 3D-Theater. I have an RS1.

Ron

Thanks.
post #349 of 2071
[quote=mkoss;20285784]
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Originally Posted by rjyap View Post

For close to USD 800, you could get an Acer H5360BD 720p@120hz which support 1.4a, SBS and TnB format without additional adapter. Just get a few pair of DLP-Link glasses and you are in for ghosting free 3D experience which is better than local cinema passive 3D.

Are you stating this as an opinion or fact. The theaters use a polarity rotator
in front of the projector which allows the use of passive glasses whereas the
DLP link glasses are the active element to blank the video. Both schemes are sequential. Different methods to achieve the same result. Ideally the superior scheme would be true cinema stereoscopic mode.

I owned the H5360BD and I test it for the past 4 days with all different type of source and format. So I based that on my observation. Check out my review at H5360BD. The theater using passive system and polarity glasses still have crosstalk issue based on my experience. Maybe my local cinema setup sucks but so far even universal studio 4D ride had crosstalk issue too (using polarize glasses).

In my opinion, DLP system achieve a near flawless 3D image. I had seen Cloudy and the meatball on both DLP projector and Panasonic VT20 and plasma still had slight ghosting. LCD 3D tv is worse in ghosting issue. So if you want 3D TV, your best bet is plasma tv. But if you want best 3D experience, go for DLP projector as the larger the screen, the deeper the depth.

IMHO, the fair assessment for VIP product would be using it with 1080p DLP projector in 60hz to eliminate the 3D ghosting issue as problem of the display tech or glasses sync issue.
post #350 of 2071
For those of you that are concerned about the brightness being an issue ... Ic an say with my Optoma HD66 its a non-issue.. I mean with 3D ON or OFF the image is still bright. If I take my glasses off, its way too bright, but with the glasses on its great and the blacks become blacks... Now i haven't tweaked my settings yet, as i've been watching to much 3D to bother LOL. And don't forget i amonly using Starlight Cloth (similar to Black Out Cloth) at 120" So the screen material isn't even as good as a retail screena dn brightness is bright .. even Disneys A Christmas Carol is fine.
post #351 of 2071
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Originally Posted by Ronomy View Post

Do the Monster glasses work at 60hz? They have good adjustments to gain the best image. I'll start with the glasses from VIP first but would like to know if these work at 60hz.

Thanks,

Ron

According to the spec sheet it does. I will know for sure when I get the Theatre. If not I'll just have to buy the emitter and glasses from VIP.
post #352 of 2071
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Originally Posted by chriscic View Post

I would think brightness would be a real challenge. Can't wait to hear your impressions.

I am using an older Draper M2500 high gain screen but my bulb will probably require replacement for 3D to look good. I can get about 20ftL off my 120 inch screen with a new bulb in 2D.
post #353 of 2071
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Originally Posted by threed123 View Post

Tomorrow the mice will play when the family's away...

Where are the impressions!!??!
post #354 of 2071
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Originally Posted by hoogs View Post

Where are the impressions!!??!

Yes we like to know
post #355 of 2071
Hey guys, sorry for this ignorant question but I'm confused (go easy on me--I'm OLD). I thought the purpose of the VIP displayer & theater was to allow 3D viewing from NON-3D equipment but I keep seeing posts from folks getting one that already have a 3D capable projector, for just an example an Optoma 66. WHY? What am I missing? Is it to convert 2D content to 3D or ???
I'm really hoping this will provide acceptable 3D with my Viewsonic Pro8100 (LCD/60hz.) although I have my doubts that it would be bright enough without a HP screen. Also concerned about flicker. I'm waiting for Robert Clark's review when he gets his VIP. He also has the VS. I now enjoy 3d with my Mits 73736 & Panny BDT210. Mits emitter with Mits & Ultraclear IR glasses.
Thanks!

Ed

My current screen is 1.3 gain.
post #356 of 2071
I just got my VIP 3D Theatre and I cant get it to work with anything... i just get the you do not have a 3DTV message. Im using a PS3, I did the steps to set it up but when I try to have the PS3 auto-detect the 3D source, the video goes away and doesnt come back. I have it connected to an Optoma HD66 with old firmware, help!
post #357 of 2071
Okay, finally had a chance to play with the Theatre.

I have scanned about 500 stereo slides into my home office PC and was looking forward to have the Theatre allow me to view them in all their glory on my i-inc 28" LCD PC monitor (yes, it's huge). I set the monitor resolution to 720p and I hooked the module up, usb and emitter. Powered up no issues. I then downloaded the IZ3D driver to test it out. Had several issues getting the driver to work. I tried both 720p and 1080i. Both worked with little difference in the image. Only could get the side by side working with some slight ghosting, however the flicker was unbearable so I uninstalled the IZ3D driver. I then downloaded the nvidia 3D vision player since I have an nvidia display card. That loaded fine and it easily went into 3D mode, but I could not get the Theatre to recognize it no matter what I did, flipping dip switches, pushing p1 button, unplugging resyncing,etc. It would show a skewed 3D image at best. I uninstalled that and downloaded the free trial of Tridef 3D player. It installed okay, and I selected parallel (side by side) mode since all my slides are in MPO format. It worked, but it insisted on stretching the slide to fill the screen--couldn't get that fixed. That said, the 3D image was dark with some ghosting, and the flicker again unbearable--sooo I gave up on seeing 3D slides on my PC. (I must add, that I am able to do this just fine on my ACER 5360 120hz 3D with tridef running and dlplink mode (no Theatre attached).

Another reason I bought the VIP Theatre was to watch 3D on our 55" 60hz LCD in the living room. Again I hooked everything up, switched to the xfinity 3D comcast channel, and after a few seconds I had the 3D image syncing, but with lots of eye flopping and ghosting. Again the flicker was really unbearable to me and with the ghosting the 3D was sub par. I then switched to HBO 3D Avatar On Demand. It appeared somewhat better with less ghosting, but with the flicker and ghosting, I found it unwatchable as well. Sooo I unhooked everything and put it on my desk.

Later this evening, I will hook it up to cable on my ACER 5360 at 120hz dlplink and see what it does on my 144" screen.

I also want to test it on my Mits HC3800 1080p projector, but I'm having the bulb changed, so it will take a while...

So far, I'm disappointed. I'm not saying you will be, just that for me 60hz is way subpar on the devices I've checked so far.
post #358 of 2071
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Originally Posted by old corps View Post

Hey guys, sorry for this ignorant question but I'm confused (go easy on me--I'm OLD). I thought the purpose of the VIP displayer & theater was to allow 3D viewing from NON-3D equipment.

It can be used for both. Cable TV is the big issue for existing 3D projectors. There is no way to get the projector to recognize the signal other than using a VIP module or the 3DXL. Also same issue with standalone 3D players.
post #359 of 2071
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Originally Posted by threed123 View Post

Okay, finally had a chance to play with the Theatre.

I have scanned about 500 stereo slides into my home office PC and was looking forward to have the Theatre allow me to view them in all their glory on my i-inc 28" LCD PC monitor (yes, it's huge). I set the monitor resolution to 720p and I hooked the module up, usb and emitter. Powered up no issues. I then downloaded the IZ3D driver to test it out. Had several issues getting the driver to work. I tried both 720p and 1080i. Both worked with little difference in the image. Only could get the side by side working with some slight ghosting, however the flicker was unbearable so I uninstalled the IZ3D driver. I then downloaded the nvidia 3D vision player since I have an nvidia display card. That loaded fine and it easily went into 3D mode, but I could not get the Theatre to recognize it no matter what I did, flipping dip switches, pushing p1 button, unplugging resyncing,etc. It would show a skewed 3D image at best. I uninstalled that and downloaded the free trial of Tridef 3D player. It installed okay, and I selected parallel (side by side) mode since all my slides are in MPO format. It worked, but it insisted on stretching the slide to fill the screen--couldn't get that fixed. That said, the 3D image was dark with some ghosting, and the flicker again unbearable--sooo I gave up on seeing 3D slides on my PC. (I must add, that I am able to do this just fine on my ACER 5360 120hz 3D with tridef running and dlplink mode (no Theatre attached).

Another reason I bought the VIP Theatre was to watch 3D on our 55" 60hz LCD in the living room. Again I hooked everything up, switched to the xfinity 3D comcast channel, and after a few seconds I had the 3D image syncing, but with lots of eye flopping and ghosting. Again the flicker was really unbearable to me and with the ghosting the 3D was sub par. I then switched to HBO 3D Avatar On Demand. It appeared somewhat better with less ghosting, but with the flicker and ghosting, I found it unwatchable as well. Sooo I unhooked everything and put it on my desk.

Later this evening, I will hook it up to cable on my ACER 5360 at 120hz dlplink and see what it does on my 144" screen.

I also want to test it on my Mits HC3800 1080p projector, but I'm having the bulb changed, so it will take a while...

So far, I'm disappointed. I'm not saying you will be, just that for me 60hz is way subpar on the devices I've checked so far.

This makes me feel sad,i still have to recieve the vip theatre.

You used the glasses from vip?

I hope i have less flickering with my epson tw5000 but it is also 60hz so i keep my fingers crossed
post #360 of 2071
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Originally Posted by old corps View Post

Hey guys, sorry for this ignorant question but I'm confused (go easy on me--I'm OLD). I thought the purpose of the VIP displayer & theater was to allow 3D viewing from NON-3D equipment but I keep seeing posts from folks getting one that already have a 3D capable projector, for just an example an Optoma 66. WHY? What am I missing? Is it to convert 2D content to 3D or ???

With the exception of the new Acer 3d model, projectors labeled "3D-Ready" still need an adapter box for content other than that coming off an htpc. The Optoma HD66 still would need, for example, the 3DXL or the VIP unit in order to watch 3D blu-rays.
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