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post #391 of 2073
4/12/11 at 7:56am
Chez: On your Epson, did you see a color shift at 60hz? I tried my ACER 5360 yesterday at both 120hz and 60hz. At both 60hz and 120hz, using the IR emitter and glasses, the images turn dark and reddish--but no flicker either at 60hz or 120hz. When I shift to DLPlink mode (IR emitter light to red), I can't get it to work at 60hz, but 120hz is just fine.
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post #392 of 2073
4/12/11 at 7:57am
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Originally Posted by threed123 View Post

Chez: On your Epson, did you see a color shift at 60hz? I tried my ACER 5360 yesterday at both 120hz and 60hz. At both 60hz and 120hz, using the IR emitter and glasses, the images turn dark and reddish--but no flicker either at 60hz or 120hz. When I shift to DLPlink mode (IR emitter light to red), I can't get it to work at 60hz, but 120hz is just fine.

So u have the acer h5360 and the vip theater? Working as intended?

Going to order one today, andi have the same setup.

Cheers,
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post #393 of 2073
4/12/11 at 7:59am
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Originally Posted by threed123 View Post

Chez: On your Epson, did you see a color shift at 60hz? I tried my ACER 5360 yesterday at both 120hz and 60hz. At both 60hz and 120hz, using the IR emitter and glasses, the images turn dark and reddish--but no flicker either at 60hz or 120hz. When I shift to DLPlink mode (IR emitter light to red), I can't get it to work at 60hz, but 120hz is just fine.

You have a PM!
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post #394 of 2073
4/12/11 at 8:06am
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Originally Posted by thebard View Post

The manual shows that model only going up to 85hz...

Looks like it does. Thanks for the help. I was confused by the 120hz in the main description. False advertising. Looks like I may be back to the HD66.
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post #395 of 2073
4/12/11 at 8:52am
I just wonder how good would the glasses sync up with each frame. The reason I ask this is every different type of display had different delay due to internal processing. Take Samsung TV as example, with game mode on it cut down the delay so how the VIP product know the video output timing from the display? Unlike DLP Link, the flashes is between frame so the glasses should get a perfect timing taking into display delay into consideration. Monster 3D glasses had an option to fine tune the timing so I can see at least the solution take the display delay into consideration.
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post #396 of 2073
4/12/11 at 9:00am
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Originally Posted by Skiiermike View Post

@ thebard,

Thanks so much for your Samsung LCD review. I to have a Samsung LCD, Mine has a 8ms response time.

I would only use the unit on a LCD tv. Knowing that, would you still purchase the unit only for an LCD?

I have seen many 3d TV's but am not to familiar with this flicker.

I don't want to spend this much money on something that will grow old quickly so an honest opinion is much appreciated. And yes I know the flicker is different for everyone but it seems to bother everyone so far in there reviews.

Well, here's my thought on it... and keep in mind, I've only had the unit 1 day!

- I would definitely get the VIP if I had a large tv that wasn't 3d-ready; if you only have something in the 30-inch range, upgrading the tv might be almost as cost effective & give better results. In other words, if you're not ready for a display upgrade, it's worth it.
- The flicker was only noticable to me on brighter scenes... in Tron for example, I really had to look for it in the dark, grid scenes, but it was noticable in Flynn's white house. Colorful scenes mask it pretty well also; it was not bothersome for the most part in Tangled.

As I experiment more, I can post settings I have luck with.
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post #397 of 2073
4/12/11 at 9:06am
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Originally Posted by Moolers View Post

Was the lamp on bright or eco?

Tried both with little difference in the image appearance.

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Originally Posted by Moolers View Post

What about the True Vivid and Brilliant Color options, did you have them on for the test?

I usually keep these off, but I did toggle them briefly in trying to improve the image.

Again, my bulb really is probably near the end of its life... I wouldn't cancel your purchase based on my impressions until I've swapped it out & really had time to play with some more settings. Because if the results on my tv are an indication of what I can get on my pj, I will definitely be keeping the VIP.
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post #398 of 2073
4/12/11 at 9:34am
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Originally Posted by old corps View Post

Hey guys, sorry for this ignorant question but I'm confused (go easy on me--I'm OLD). I thought the purpose of the VIP displayer & theater was to allow 3D viewing from NON-3D equipment but I keep seeing posts from folks getting one that already have a 3D capable projector, for just an example an Optoma 66. WHY? What am I missing? Is it to convert 2D content to 3D or ???
I'm really hoping this will provide acceptable 3D with my Viewsonic Pro8100 (LCD/60hz.) although I have my doubts that it would be bright enough without a HP screen. Also concerned about flicker. I'm waiting for Robert Clark's review when he gets his VIP. He also has the VS. I now enjoy 3d with my Mits 73736 & Panny BDT210. Mits emitter with Mits & Ultraclear IR glasses.
Thanks!

Ed

My current screen is 1.3 gain.


I have the HD66 and the reason i bought the 3D-Theatre is because all current available 3D projectors are field sequential, meaning they do not accept Bluray 3D frame packed, TopnBottom or Side-By-Side formats.. so they are useless without an adapter or HTPC
Which is why people are buying the 3D-Theatre or 3D-XL
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post #399 of 2073
4/12/11 at 9:47am
Cheers thebard,
I'm surprised that you did not notice any difference between the Bright and Eco lamp settings? Surely the bright setting was..... err brighter.

I'll keep a close eye on this thread to see how you get on with the new bulb.

Thanks again,
Moo
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post #400 of 2073
4/12/11 at 10:26am
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Originally Posted by Moolers View Post

Cheers thebard,
I'm surprised that you did not notice any difference between the Bright and Eco lamp settings? Surely the bright setting was..... err brighter.

Yes, it was - LOL. But my point was, it was a neglible difference. Which is why I think the lamp hours may be coming into play here.
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post #401 of 2073
4/12/11 at 10:41am
What is the best projector to get the best 3d picture with the vip theatre?
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post #402 of 2073
4/12/11 at 10:46am
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Originally Posted by john2910 View Post

What is the best projector to get the best 3d picture with the vip theatre?

What's your budget? What size screen? At what distance are you mounting it?

A 3d-ready pj will give you a better refresh rate. A lot of people have had good luck with the Optoma HD66 (720p 3d-ready), but buy based on your setup & 2d needs as well. In other words, if you can tolerate flicker but can't live without 1080 resolution, look for a higher-end 2d pj.
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post #403 of 2073
4/12/11 at 11:08am
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Originally Posted by perfectdark View Post

I have the HD66 and the reason i bought the 3D-Theatre is because all current available 3D projectors are field sequential, meaning they do not accept Bluray 3D frame packed, TopnBottom or Side-By-Side formats.. so they are useless without an adapter or HTPC
Which is why people are buying the 3D-Theatre or 3D-XL

Thanks for the explanation, appreciate it!

Ed
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post #404 of 2073
4/12/11 at 11:13am
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Originally Posted by thebard View Post

What's your budget? What size screen? At what distance are you mounting it?

A 3d-ready pj will give you a better refresh rate. A lot of people have had good luck with the Optoma HD66 (720p 3d-ready), but buy based on your setup & 2d needs as well. In other words, if you can tolerate flicker but can't live without 1080 resolution, look for a higher-end 2d pj.

The screen is 2.40 meter wide.(gain 1.1)

At the moment i use a epson tw5000.

So i want a 3d picture sequal as my epson tw5000 in 2d.

Is there a good 120 hz (input)2d projector thats about the same in performance?
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post #405 of 2073
4/12/11 at 11:13am
Chezbrger,Did You have ghosting issues with Your 8100?I Have the Epson 6100 and have pretty severe ghosting.Not as bad on closeups.The flicker is not to bad.It is better than I expected.Could You possibly share Your projectors settings.I have only tried with Direct Tv so far.I will play with the setting Today.Jonathon is getting a 8100 in Tomorrow.He told Me He would perfect the settings on the projector and relay His findings back to Me. I will try Ps3 and 3d Bluy-rays later this afternoon.Thanks for any help. Brett
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post #406 of 2073
4/12/11 at 11:23am
Quick Update.Putting output scaling to 100% instead of Auto helped alot.Still needs some improvement,But alot better
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post #407 of 2073
4/12/11 at 12:28pm
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Originally Posted by thebard View Post

Well, here's my thought on it... and keep in mind, I've only had the unit 1 day!

- I would definitely get the VIP if I had a large tv that wasn't 3d-ready; if you only have something in the 30-inch range, upgrading the tv might be almost as cost effective & give better results. In other words, if you're not ready for a display upgrade, it's worth it.
- The flicker was only noticable to me on brighter scenes... in Tron for example, I really had to look for it in the dark, grid scenes, but it was noticable in Flynn's white house. Colorful scenes mask it pretty well also; it was not bothersome for the most part in Tangled.

As I experiment more, I can post settings I have luck with.

I appreciate the feedback. My model is an older one LN-4661F. It's a 46" screen and the TV is still suiting my need's minus the 3D. If I were to upgrade right now I would want a 50" or bigger so the Theater is a more cost effective method.

Was ghosting a issue? My tv has a 8ms response time. I don't notice any ghosting now on any of my movies or games (mostly FPS and racing).

I really want this unit but my wife will kill me if I don't do my research first.

Thanks again
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post #408 of 2073
4/12/11 at 12:29pm
I got mine yesterday with my paypal order to Jonathan (who has been great by the way replying to all my emails about the order and the setup).

I still have not been successful in getting this to work with my PS3 and Optoma GT700 projector. After some troubleshooting, I was able to show the 3D picture on the wall but it would not work with the glasses.

The GT700 is a DLP Link projector that is supposed to have a menu to turn the Link on/off. The Optoma menus aren't available always and are dependent on what signal it receives. e.g. with no signal you can't access the display menu.

The glasses are the Optoma ZD101's and I also had a second pair no-name brand to try too. Neither one worked and looked the same as not wearing any glasses. You can tell the glasses turn on because they flicker when you press the button.

My next try is to see if I can get the Optoma to think it is getting a 720p/120Hz signal but I fear I still won't have the option to turn DLP on. I would love suggestions if you ideas. The best idea I have heard so far was to return the GT700 and get an HD66 .

UPDATE: Well I got the GT700 to say 720p/120Hz using the troubleshooting suggestions from Jonathan but still no luck. The glasses do a lot of flickering but never seem to look any different than if you weren't wearing them. I also found a 3D display mode under the Optoma projector menus but the 3D is always grayed out. I remember reading some other forum where people connect the GT700 to their computer with NVidea cards for 3D gaming but they had to trick the Optoma into going to 3D DLP mode. ugh...i hate smart menus...let me select what I want

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post #409 of 2073
4/12/11 at 1:09pm
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Originally Posted by john2910 View Post

The screen is 2.40 meter wide.(gain 1.1)

At the moment i use a epson tw5000.

So i want a 3d picture sequal as my epson tw5000 in 2d.

Is there a good 120 hz (input)2d projector thats about the same in performance?

I can't find the 5000 on projectorcentral.com, but I see a TW-5500... is that similar?

That's a 1080 projector; right now 1080 3d projectors run a few $k; LG has one, and Sanyo has one coming out. A quick google should let you know if they will meet your needs.
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post #410 of 2073
4/12/11 at 1:11pm
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Originally Posted by Skiiermike View Post

I appreciate the feedback. My model is an older one LN-4661F. It's a 46" screen and the TV is still suiting my need's minus the 3D. If I were to upgrade right now I would want a 50" or bigger so the Theater is a more cost effective method.

Was ghosting a issue? My tv has a 8ms response time. I don't notice any ghosting now on any of my movies or games (mostly FPS and racing).

I really want this unit but my wife will kill me if I don't do my research first.

Thanks again

I saw little to no ghosting on the two blu rays I previewed, and color reproduction was good.
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post #411 of 2073
4/12/11 at 1:23pm
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Originally Posted by thebard View Post

I can't find the 5000 on projectorcentral.com, but I see a TW-5500... is that similar?

That's a 1080 projector; right now 1080 3d projectors run a few $k; LG has one, and Sanyo has one coming out. A quick google should let you know if they will meet your needs.

Yes thats similar.

I hope i dont get to much flickering with my epson tw5000
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post #412 of 2073
4/12/11 at 2:34pm
Anyone having sync issues with their IR emitter and glasses. If my emitter is more than 1ft away from the glasses, they lose sync.

Any suggestions?
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post #413 of 2073
4/12/11 at 3:00pm
Sounds to me like the glasses and emitter are causing most of the problems so far. I wonder if any other glasses will be compatible.
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post #414 of 2073
4/12/11 at 4:43pm
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Originally Posted by slvramalgam View Post

For those of you who ordered fron consignia and waiting, what does your order status say? Mine says"order awaiting fulfillment", how about you?

Mine now says arrived in US since Friday and no further updates. Still waiting..............
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post #415 of 2073
4/12/11 at 5:05pm
Can someone verify something for me? Will the VIP units absolutely not work with hdmi 1.2? I'm looking at older upscale pj's and some of them only support hdmi 1.2.
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post #416 of 2073
4/12/11 at 5:33pm
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Originally Posted by bigscreen@home View Post

I got mine yesterday with my paypal order to Jonathan (who has been great by the way replying to all my emails about the order and the setup).

I still have not been successful in getting this to work with my PS3 and Optoma GT700 projector. After some troubleshooting, I was able to show the 3D picture on the wall but it would not work with the glasses.

The GT700 is a DLP Link projector that is supposed to have a menu to turn the Link on/off. The Optoma menus aren't available always and are dependent on what signal it receives. e.g. with no signal you can't access the display menu.

The glasses are the Optoma ZD101's and I also had a second pair no-name brand to try too. Neither one worked and looked the same as not wearing any glasses. You can tell the glasses turn on because they flicker when you press the button.

My next try is to see if I can get the Optoma to think it is getting a 720p/120Hz signal but I fear I still won't have the option to turn DLP on. I would love suggestions if you ideas. The best idea I have heard so far was to return the GT700 and get an HD66 .

UPDATE: Well I got the GT700 to say 720p/120Hz using the troubleshooting suggestions from Jonathan but still no luck. The glasses do a lot of flickering but never seem to look any different than if you weren't wearing them. I also found a 3D display mode under the Optoma projector menus but the 3D is always grayed out. I remember reading some other forum where people connect the GT700 to their computer with NVidea cards for 3D gaming but they had to trick the Optoma into going to 3D DLP mode. ugh...i hate smart menus...let me select what I want


I have the Optoma HD66 and as long as i feed it a signal i then have the option to turn 3D on or off .. is your GT700 like this? Play a regular 2D movie and see if u can turn 3D on or off... Your DLP Link glasses will not work at all until you turn 3D on (which will then send the dlp link signal for the glasses to sync)
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post #417 of 2073
4/12/11 at 5:34pm
Use of Game Mode to reduce cross talk

Gamers often have a lot of problems with display Lag with 2D HDTVs unless the HDTVs are placed in Game Mode which greatly reduces the lag time between an image being received by the TV and the actual display of the image by the TV. Game Mode normally reduces the TV's image processing time by turning off all motion compensation options especially frame interpolation options and by using faster lower PQ scaling algorithims if the resolution being received by the TV is not it's native resolution.
I suggest that any VIP Theatre user not using a DLP display turn Game Mode on since display Lag depending on the TV make/model could be a major cause of ghosting/video crosstalk due to timing differences between the emitter signals to the glasses and the actual display on the TV.
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post #418 of 2073
4/12/11 at 6:00pm
Sadly no matter what is running, the GT700 always has the 3D image mode greyed out. In fact, the manual says there is supposed to be settings to turn 3D DLP on/off but those menus aren't on my machine. You can't seem to force it into a particular mode. It is expecting a signal that it isn't getting from the VIP so that it knows it is 3D to allow you to turn it on. It auto-senses everything and closes off options based on that.

UPDATE---I hope I am following the thread protocols here answering my own questions but wanted to provide the feedback.

In short, the VIP Theater works with the Optoma GT700 but the setup seems like a hack to get around Optoma's "smart" menus.

The setup: Optoma GT700, PS3, VIP Theater, HDMI 1.4 cables direct and optical connection to my old Kenwood receiver for sound. The GT700 is DLP so I am testing the Optoma ZD101 and the Ultraclear DLP models for glasses.

The long answer...It was very frustrating not to see the menu options on the unit that are printed in the manual. I could not get the projector to enter the DLP Link mode so I saw the 3D image but the glasses wouldn't work. Though I have to say, the Ultraclears had some brief moments of a clear 3D picture and then back to the ghost image as if they weren't turned on. After going through various permutations with projector/VIP/PS3 my wife suggested trying a 3D game in the PS3. What the heck - this projector unit says it is a game projector, maybe that will work.

I put in a game and after a few downloads, the game said it recognized I had 3D equipment and wanted to know if I wished to turn that feature on. Well Yes! turn it on! The projector then recalibrates and shows a 720p/60Hz signal. That was different then the Blueray 720p/120Hz signal. I took a look at the projector menu screen....What's this? A new menu item called 3D! Where did that come from?!! Optomaaaaaaaaahhh!! [said in William Shatner tone from Wrath of Kahn] Suddenly I had the menu to turn on DLP Link and boom, I have a 3D game working with both pairs of glasses.

What about the movies? I pop in a 3D movie and the projector recalibrates itself - now to 720p/120Hz. Presto - it just works. I looked at the menu on the projector while the movie was running....the 3D menu was gone however, it did say that it was in 3D display mode. I powered it down and up again and it still played the movie correctly. However the 3D menus to turn DLP on/off or select IR mode are not available and apparently only available when the 3D games are in (or possibly some other 720p/60Hz signal).

In any case, I don't think this is the projector for me. If it is that flaky with signals, I see that as borderline broken. Was this a one time flick of the switch? who knows. Will it fail again and need the 3D game to turn it on? I don't really want to find out. Luckily I am still within the return window and am looking to upgrade this to the HD20 or even downgrade to the HD66 (since it can't do 2D 1080p like the GT700 can and does very well).

Hopefully this helps someone in their equipment combination selections.

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post #419 of 2073
4/12/11 at 6:49pm
I have not received my Theater model from VIP yet but I do have the Optoma HD66 pj and have used it with my laptop and stereoscopic player. I have found that the HD mode doesn't have to be activated for 3d to be displayed. (I use Dlp link Ultra Clear glasses) HD mode simply kicks up the brightness. I hope this little tid bit helps you troubleshoot so you aren't spending time on an option (hd mode on/off) that might not be the problem. Lastly there is an Youtube video posted by a forum member named chezburger that demonstrates the Theater with several devices. You should p.m him he might be able to help you troubleshoot too. Good luck. I can't wait to receive mine. Here is the youtube link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYJnQ...e_gdata_player.
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post #420 of 2073
4/12/11 at 7:52pm
Talked with jay at consignia and ordered mine today, i have the acer h5360. Will post a review once i have it all setup.

R.
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