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post #241 of 416
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Hi,

I've got one WNDR3700v1 connected as an AP to my wired router. That works fine but now I'm thinking of replace the PC-(linux)router with another WNDR3700 or maybe an WNDR3800 due to it is smaller and does not require the same amount of power + then I'll "hopeful" have better wireless coverage.

Do the WNDR3800 have a better interface for configuration than WNDR3700 which is very basic when it comes to configure the firewall?
What is then the best way to use them together, repeater or connected as AP? I noticed in the latest release that there is an option to be used for "AP mode" how does that work, can you then use the WLAN-port or do you still need to connect it by using only the LAN-ports?

I hope that the WNDR3800 will have a better GUI which lets the user have more control, but I also read that there will be support for WNDR3800 by open source projects like OpenWRT and Tomato but will they be able to give the same performance as the stock firmware due to chipset-drivers?

I also tested the Netgear Genie, but that didn't support routers connected as an AP and no way to change the ip-address to the router!

Thanks in advance!
The new UI in the 3800 is much more easy to understand and navigate. It doesn't add much to to the firewall capabilities that the 3700 has at to my eyes. I admit I didnt spend a lot of time in the security section.

What in particular are you looking for?

As far as repeater versus AP the AP approach will always be best if you have the wired connection to connect the second router acting as and AP. Otherwise you do have the option to use it as a repeater. Depending what you are trying to do performance may be equal. But again I use mine second 3700 as an AP and works great.

Bob
post #242 of 416
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Here is another review on the WNDR3800 from the My Open Router group. These folks work on the open source firmware used in many routers today. Here is the link. Covers different aspects then what I covered in my review.

http://www.myopenrouter.com/article/...Router-Review/

Enjoy.

Bob
post #243 of 416
bobsilver, One of the features in the 3800 is being able to connect a printer via USB and then use it as a wireless printer within your own network which is a excellent feature. I already have a wireless printer in my network and want to keep it that way, will this router cause me any issues or will it just treat my printer like any other wireless device.
post #244 of 416
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bobsilver, One of the features in the 3800 is being able to connect a printer via USB and then use it as a wireless printer within your own network which is a excellent feature. I already have a wireless printer in my network and want to keep it that way, will this router cause me any issues or will it just treat my printer like any other wireless device.

Will just treat you printer like a wireless device. No problem.

Bob
post #245 of 416
Having read this whole thread it all seems to be about compromise, everybody having to prioritise different features of the 3700, 3800 and 4000.

Next time you have a chat with the guys at Netgear Bob, can you ask them if they could manufacture one device, charge a slight premium for it that has all the benefits of:

3700 built in Modem
3800 great features people want
4000 faster speed.

There have to be huge benefits in economies of scale and support of selling one device. I would be happy to pay more than the $150 it looks like amazon will be selling the 3700 for if I could have it all.
post #246 of 416
Would it not also be the case that the primary time-machine backup of, say 500gb could be done with a direct connection from usb HD directly attached to the computer, then all subsequent hourly backups be done with the HD attached to the router ?

with only hourly backups form time machine the 30gb limit would no longer be a problem.

just a thought...
post #247 of 416
I ended up purchasing a WNDR3700 refurbished for $65 and then got a Squaretrade 2 year warranty for $12. I really wanted to wait for the WNDR3800 since I have quite a few wireless devices and based on this thread the 3800 was the most reliable for wireless. My question is this, will any of these three models (3700, 4000, 3800) work for me to stream Blu ray rips to my home theater PC? The home theater PC will directly connect to the router via a cable. Right now I rip my discs from my desktop PC and they wirelessly go to my external hard drive shared through my home theater PC. The HTPC is not always on (turns on when we use it or if a scheduled program is about to record) so I would love to offload the hard drive to the router if possible. I know the thread says it will not work great but I wondered if anyone has actually tried this with a device wired to the router.
post #248 of 416
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Originally Posted by Fishtick26 View Post

I ended up purchasing a WNDR3700 refurbished for $65 and then got a Squaretrade 2 year warranty for $12. I really wanted to wait for the WNDR3800 since I have quite a few wireless devices and based on this thread the 3800 was the most reliable for wireless. My question is this, will any of these three models (3700, 4000, 3800) work for me to stream Blu ray rips to my home theater PC? The home theater PC will directly connect to the router via a cable. Right now I rip my discs from my desktop PC and they wirelessly go to my external hard drive shared through my home theater PC. The HTPC is not always on (turns on when we use it or if a scheduled program is about to record) so I would love to offload the hard drive to the router if possible. I know the thread says it will not work great but I wondered if anyone has actually tried this with a device wired to the router.

Let me see if I understand what you are asking. You want to connect the drive to the router and rip to it and stream form it to your HTPC? Do I have that right?

If so that should work providing nothing else is going on with the router and the drive. Admittedly the Netgear USB drive implementation is not super fast. But should have enough throughput to support the bandwidth needed for the task if nothing else is being asked of it. Worst case you may seem some stutter on the PB. Ripping should be OK since that is a relatively slow process anyway.

Bob
post #249 of 416
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Originally Posted by jammiepak View Post

Having read this whole thread it all seems to be about compromise, everybody having to prioritise different features of the 3700, 3800 and 4000.

Next time you have a chat with the guys at Netgear Bob, can you ask them if they could manufacture one device, charge a slight premium for it that has all the benefits of:

3700 built in Modem
3800 great features people want
4000 faster speed.

There have to be huge benefits in economies of scale and support of selling one device. I would be happy to pay more than the $150 it looks like amazon will be selling the 3700 for if I could have it all.

The issue Netgear faces is that new technologies become available during product lifecycles. So it is difficult to time it to have one product with all the latest and greatest. I am certain a year or so from now you will see a router with all the above included but by then the technology will have matured and there will be new latest and greatest and the cycle will repeat. It is unfortunately the nature of the beast in emerging technology areas like wireless.

Best is to pick what you need at the time you need it.

Also what is significantly different is that the 3800 has a broad set of premium features that are new to routers. In a way this is almost a new category of product. Not unlike the smartphone was to the cell phone.

So right now you have evolution of chip technologies plus the development of new feature and software technologies all rolling out around the same time. A bit complex.

And yes Netgear product managers would have loved to have one product do it all. It would be a whole lot easier but that isnt the reality of todays situation unfortunately.

Bob

Bob
post #250 of 416
Firstly - apologies if this is the wrong location to post but I see that "BobSilver" seems a great wealth of informtation. Hi Bob!
I'm setting up a basic server at home - I just bought a 4Tb Synology 211j NAS unit which have set up on a BT Home Hub 3 with BT's Infinity Fibre here in the UK. All is great but I can't log into the NAS using it's external IP address from "inside" the network - it is however DYNdns registered. I've been told that this is a "feature" of the Home Hub 3 router. I can log in when I'm outside the network (I work oversees a lot) but it would be nice to verify things work while I'm at home next to the unit. I had an old Netgear router - DGN834 I think - many years ago which allowed this and led me to search for Netgear products. Would the 3800 allow this type of "loop back" - sorry not sure of the techinical terms as I'm only starting out. Otherwiese this 3800 sounds like a perfect partner in all other respects - sounds well worth waiting for.
Any feedback greatly appreciated.
post #251 of 416
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Firstly - apologies if this is the wrong location to post but I see that "BobSilver" seems a great wealth of informtation. Hi Bob!
I'm setting up a basic server at home - I just bought a 4Tb Synology 211j NAS unit which have set up on a BT Home Hub 3 with BT's Infinity Fibre here in the UK. All is great but I can't log into the NAS using it's external IP address from "inside" the network - it is however DYNdns registered. I've been told that this is a "feature" of the Home Hub 3 router. I can log in when I'm outside the network (I work oversees a lot) but it would be nice to verify things work while I'm at home next to the unit. I had an old Netgear router - DGN834 I think - many years ago which allowed this and led me to search for Netgear products. Would the 3800 allow this type of "loop back" - sorry not sure of the techinical terms as I'm only starting out. Otherwiese this 3800 sounds like a perfect partner in all other respects - sounds well worth waiting for.
Any feedback greatly appreciated.

What you are asking about loopback with an outside ip address like dyndns is not related to the router but to your isp. I have a sumilar situation with servers and other web access programs. I have two houses. With two different ips's. I can get loopback in one house and not the other. Same router in both. Netgear 3700. So it is the isp.

That said I have in my apps and browsers both local addresses and wan addresses. This way I can get access. Not the most elegant but it works.

Other then that I think you will be happy with the 3800. Should be available in Europe in the next week or so. They have been released and are in transit to the various distribution points.

Bob Silver
Netgear AV Consultant
post #252 of 416
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So IMHO based on your needs I'd stay with the 3800.

Thanks Bob--I took your advice and ordered the 3800 from Amazon back on August 7. They're still saying "1-2 months" for when they'll ship it to me. Any updates about when these things might actually ship out? (I'm totally eager--my old WRT-54Gv2 is dying to the point of only getting 50% signal strength when I'm 3 feet from it! )
post #253 of 416
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Thanks Bob--I took your advice and ordered the 3800 from Amazon back on August 7. They're still saying "1-2 months" for when they'll ship it to me. Any updates about when these things might actually ship out? (I'm totally eager--my old WRT-54Gv2 is dying to the point of only getting 50% signal strength when I'm 3 feet from it! )

Amazon will begin shipping after labor day. Units are in transit to them now.

Bob
post #254 of 416
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Amazon will begin shipping after labor day. Units are in transit to them now.

Bob

Bob

What's the latest news on its actually being available in the UK? Will it be available in Germany before the UK as I may order from there?

Thanks
post #255 of 416
Hi Bob.
Thanks for the reply - helps me out a lot. Guess the issue came when I changed from ADSL to Fibre. Still the same ISP so I'll get in touch with them and see what they say. I may be stuck with it but at least I'll know where the problem is.
So, I check every day to see if there's a 3800 for sale anywhere in the UK and will be ordering for sure. Thanks for taking the time and answering all the queries here - it is much appreciated by all I'm sure.
cheers, Graeme
post #256 of 416
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Still being told June.

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I would look at either the 3800 which will be available end of July

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It will be starting to ship by month end. Available at Frys and Amazon.

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The 3800 is in transit and should be hitting shelves within days.

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Amazon will begin shipping after labor day. Units are in transit to them now.

I am keeping my fingers crossed for Labor day.... I need a new router soon..
post #257 of 416
I ordered mine on the 9th of August. I'm really looking forward to the upgrade.
post #258 of 416
It's official...


DIGITAL JOURNAL

SAN JOSE, Calif., Aug. 29, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- NETGEAR®, Inc. (NASDAQGM: NTGR), a global networking company that delivers innovative products to consumers, businesses and service providers, today announced worldwide availability of the N600 Wireless Dual Band Gigabit Router – Premium Edition (WNDR3800), the first home router to offer Clear Channel Selector and the first to create private cloud file sharing through NETGEAR's new ReadySHARE™ Cloud service.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/403527#ixzz1WSUzKwId



CNET

Netgear ships premium WNDR3800 dual-band router.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-...l-band-router/



CABLE360 | CABLEFAX MAGAZINE | CABLEFAX DAILY

Netgear announced worldwide availability of the N600 Wireless Dual Band Gigabit Router - Premium Edition (WNDR3800).

http://www.cable360.net/ct/47906.html



Also the official NETGEAR site no longer show's it as "Coming Soon".

http://www.netgear.com/home/products.../WNDR3800.aspx



However, none of the online sites Netgear links to has it available. Not even Frys and Amazon. This maybe due to it just being announced for availability!
post #259 of 416
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I am keeping my fingers crossed for Labor day.... I need a new router soon..

They are in route to Amazon. Frys has stock in some stores now. Amazon will begin shipping after Labor Day. But you may also want to check Frys. You may get one faster.

Bob
post #260 of 416
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Originally Posted by bobsilver View Post

They are in route to Amazon. Frys has stock in some stores now. Amazon will begin shipping after Labor Day. But you may also want to check Frys. You may get one faster.

Bob

To your disclosure limits, are there any plans to add any 3800 features via firmware to the 4000? My 4000 works great, so I have no bug problems. Well, just the baud rate being wrong with XP and the continuously blinking LED on my cable modem with the last update. Those are minor however.

Perhaps the LED is the worst issue since I no longer can see internet activity without going into the status menu. And it might be a SB6120 issue anyhow.
post #261 of 416
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The network Genie sw will work with the 4000. I'd suggest
Downloading it from the Netgear site. Other then that no.

Bob
post #262 of 416
Ok just got done reading this thread. Looking for an answer to the following.
I currently have a Dlink DIR655 Version A2 and my main router. I have the following devices that connect up to it.
Laptop with wireless G.
Squeezebox with wireless G.
DAP1522 and the following connect to this device - Tivo, Oppo Blu Ray, Xbox 360, Pioneer receiver.
Then I also have a D-Link DWA-130 USB 2.0 that connects up to my wireless router for my WDTV Live Plus.

Would I gain anything by going with one of the Netgear vs the Dlink that I am currently using.
post #263 of 416
can't wait til this comes out here in Australia
post #264 of 416
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Ok just got done reading this thread. Looking for an answer to the following.
I currently have a Dlink DIR655 Version A2 and my main router. I have the following devices that connect up to it.
Laptop with wireless G.
Squeezebox with wireless G.
DAP1522 and the following connect to this device - Tivo, Oppo Blu Ray, Xbox 360, Pioneer receiver.
Then I also have a D-Link DWA-130 USB 2.0 that connects up to my wireless router for my WDTV Live Plus.

Would I gain anything by going with one of the Netgear vs the Dlink that I am currently using.

Given what you are using I can't say for sure. You have all older wifi tech in the g band. Nothing using N or the 5ghz band like an iPad or a current laptop.

As routers go the 3800 is very feature packed. It's performance is also excellent. But having said that unless the features are appealing and or you need the clear channel technology that enhances throughput if you are in a congested area then no.

Bob
post #265 of 416
The Dlink that connects to the WDTV live is N. My Nook Color is N as well. The other Dlink is also a N access point. I am just wondering if I would see improvements at all.

With my Dap1522 I use the Tivo to stream netfilx and some movies thru my Oppo. Both usually work well. I get some rebuffering on netflix. I thought it would be bad since it is an AP but it isn't as bad as I was thinking. It is a rental unit so I don't want to drill holes to run wires so the reason for running wireless to the living room. Just looking at my options.

Also is there a good tool to test true transfer rates between devices?
post #266 of 416
Does the Clear Channel work with any laptop that has N capability? Or do I have to buy a new wireless adapter?

ALso, same question about the dual bands - will it work with any laptop that has "N" wifi?

Thanks

Frank
post #267 of 416
Amazon is showing this IN STOCK on 9/2/2011. It says "10 in stock".

I hope this means mine will ship soon,

Frank
post #268 of 416
Sadly it's from a 3rd party seller right now.
post #269 of 416
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Sadly it's from a 3rd party seller right now.

I have a WNDR3800 pre-ordered from Amazon, but I noticed that buy.com has them in stock... and the price is slightly lower as well.

Hopefully Amazon will get their act together soon and start shipping.
post #270 of 416
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Does the Clear Channel work with any laptop that has N capability? Or do I have to buy a new wireless adapter?

ALso, same question about the dual bands - will it work with any laptop that has "N" wifi?

Thanks

Frank

Anyone??
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