Official Samsung 2011 PNxxD7000 Thread - Page 101

Wow! After months of looking at this forum, looking at prices, bundles, return policies and in the wee hours of Cyber Monday for Amazon, I can actually say that I am happy

I'm happy that I am not going to purchase this tv tonight, when I had the money and wanted it for so long. Almost every responder seems to find something annoying about this set. Sure, "the picture, color, and black levels are great." That's why I like my 3 year old Panasonic 42" plasma. But to hear about screen peeling, buzzing, and bright flashes (or whatever the technical term is), I've come to the painful resolution that everybody pretty much got "had" on this set. Did we also forget that this tv bounces around like a jumping jack if you so as much touch the volume controls too hard because the stand is as flimsy a coiled spring?

I can handle a very slight inferiority in picture quality. But what I can't handle are a large set of annoyances. Buzzing during a quiet scene in a movie would drive me crazy. Screen peeling, not so much unless it is pretty severe. Bright flashes while watching hockey games and during movies would be incredibly annoying.

Bottom line: If a tv is annoying then it sucks. If a tv causes you to have to return it 7 times to get a good one, it sucks. If only 1 out of 10 responders says they don't have any of these problems ("I can't hear the buzzing, I dont see the white popping"), it really effing sucks. Audiophiles cannot stand buzzing. Videophiles cannot stand brightness levels popping. If you are neither of these, then this is the set for you. Affordable, with lots of features.

I'm not taking the risk. I'll wait a year, or two, or three.

Technology always gets cheaper. Hopefully, it gets better also.

I feel exactly the same as you, and I also have a 3 year old (2008) 46" 1080p Panasonic plasma currently.
Hoping in the next year or two Samsung gets it all right...

Yeah I was sort of planning on this set based on the reviews of its picture quality and other attributes that would fit well for the needs we have. However, it seems like it is like that absolutely PERFECT house you want to buy but there is a small detail of it being right under a busy freeway or something. The picture can be absolutely smashing most of the time but if glaring problems occasionally occur then all that is wasted.

I wonder if the word is getting out because today the 59" model went very slowly despite being 1599 and there is almost no movement currently on the 51" at 1099 (talking amazon flash deals here with prices a little better than I've seen anywhere else...and everyone I know is tracking amazon).

I am reading through all this after ordering a 7000 today off Amazon. I thought about hitting the cancel button and getting a different tv to tell you the truth, but I'm still going to have it delivered. I'll test it well in the 30 days and then make a decision from there. For the price, and with cheap glasses now I figure it's a good bet. For a brand like Samsung I would expect these issues only effect a small portion of units being sold (despite some claims from people owning 3-4 of them).

Can't wait to hook it up on Friday!

Have fun standing on the sidelines to everyone who passes on buying the Plasma TV of the Year! Get with the Cyber Monday spirit.

(Disclaimer: I own Amazon stock)

Hey, I'm still rooting for you and the set. I was inches away from buying this set. To me the biggest issue to watch out for would be the buzzing and bright flashes. Let us know how it all works out.

The 64D7000 and the 59D8000 are both up on Amazon's Cyber Monday deals right now. I really want the bigger panel of the 64D7000, but really, what's the real-world difference between the D7000 and D8000 series anyways?

FBr is on all of them, it's a part of the tech. People who haven't seen it do not have source feeds that are providing the actual pops, or they just don't see them... but they're there.

The buzzing might be different on different sets, but it could change based on your viewing distance and angle, frequency perception, content being watched, etc. I do believe that it's probably on most all sets, though.

I don't know about the "peeling." I've never seen it before in my life, and it's the weirdest term I've ever heard before. I mean, what in the heck is peeling about the screen, anyway? Strange...

Good luck with your set! But don't think for one second that people are being sarcastic about trading out sets to find one that doesn't one into one of these three inherent issues.

I pulled the trigger on the 64D7000. I hope I know what I'm doing. Note that the Amazon deal does not include 3D glasses.

According to cnet, the picture quality is similar. The D8000 simply has more "smart" functions and an extra black level enhancement that most people set to off anyway.


Peeling refers to the outer coting of the panel (probably the anti-reflective coating) - if you search around you can even find pictures of this defect. I haven't seen any recent reports of it though, so it may be fixed by now. Sounds like it would happen within the first 100-200 hours of use, so it should become evident within a year and be repaired (on site) under warranty.

It is now past Cyber Monday at Amazon and prices still appear to be the same as they were yesterday for the Samsung plasmas.

Were these tvs actually marked down for Cyber Monday or has the price just dropped that much?

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I couldn't disagree with you more. Keep in mind that this is the highest test PQ set on the market today. That is what it is all about, isn't it? Thats why we want HD? Great black levels and shadowing, and almost perfect D6500K calibration.
As for the buzzing all tvs do this. It comes down to room accustics and content as muffinmcfluffin suggests. Mine is not noticeable at all in my room. As for the stand I have it wall mounted and even if I didn't I wouldn't adjust volume or channel from the set I would use the remote. Lastly the peeling appears to have been resolved. I have not seen or heard or any sets with a build date after Aug that are doing this anymore.

So this set in my eyes has one issue and that is the brightness pops. For a tv with the best PQ and this price point I am willing to deal with it and hope a FW update will fix it.
All in all I say if you try to look for another set you might be hard pressed to find one that will beat this one in PQ and features for this price point.
I feel like all of us on this site are fanatics when it comes to audio and visual Home Theater. We are our own worst critics.

Wow, I never recall as much complaining as the last page of this thread. Those of us who actually own a D7000 love it.

Yes, there are always those who nitpick, which is totally lame. I've never seen perfect tech. Not even my Mac is perfect.

If you don't like/want the set, fine. I hope you find what you want, but don't complain in this thread about my TV when you don't own it and most haven't spent time in front of one; again, it's not perfect, but pretty close.

On the issue of buzz; some of you kill me on this issue. A lot of tech stuff buzzes. My DVR buzzes louder than this TV. My beer fridge sits close by and it buzzes loud as heck. Even with buzzing, with my 5.1 system on, I can't hear any of it.

I swear, some of you go out of you way to sound aloof, or like audio/videophiles, and arrogant. I laugh, because this is just a show for the Internet.

Face it, you complainers aren't rich, not experts, not special. If you were, this wouldn't be the set you'd buy anyway. Me, I'm just a normal middle class guy who is a bit of a tech geek and love for movies to look and sound good.

My expectation is only to maximize my investment in a quality set and get a fair price. Most of you still reading are just like me, not some fat cat with $20K to burn on a TV or set up. Like I said, if you were a fat cat, this set wouldn't be part of your discussion.

This is a solid set, and repeatedly reviewed by real peer reviewed experts as the best overall HDTV of 2011. Everything else is just talk.

If you don't like how plasmas work, buy a projector or an LED, see if you think those are better.

If you do own this set, enjoy it and be happy.

I've had mine since April and love it.

WOW just WOW... the brightness pops are a very real issue, i wouldnt tolerate it on $2000 set, i have a old 42" and it doesnt buzz or have the pop. and get off your high horse, some of these sets buzz VERY loud. so dont get on these people that have spent hard earned money for something that is defective.... and in your words people like you sound lame and arrogant. also it has nothing to do with being rich, where is that coming from? we all deserve a properly working tv, period.

i am exchanging for my 5th set in 3 months... this is a bad year for manufactures and for us consumers, i think it has to do with the stiff power regulations honestly.

I sure hope you're not referring to me. I spent $1700 on this TV, $300 on a stand, and I only have $350 left in my checking account until next week when I get my paycheck. I'm no certified videophile or audiophile. But if someone is to stand in front of my TV and say that the directional buzzing is not only not obnoxiously loud, but also something that should naturally be happening on this television, then I will just have to go ahead and pass that person off as someone who literally can't perceive that frequency of noise. Otherwise, for those of us who would be able to stand in front of my TV and hear these things, they know what I'm disappointed about.

Keep in mind that I don't want to return, exchange, or fix this TV. If getting a surge protector might help for some oddball reason, I'll go for it... but I'm not about to take apart the panel and try to consider fixes that way. Given the right film and seating position, this becomes a non-issue (or so minimal that it shouldn't matter). When watching night scenes in Paranormal Activity 2 while you're centered with my screen, expect to start going crazy over the high frequency buzz.

I'm absolutely not complaining to complain, and I suggest that one would be wise to know the difference. I don't come in here like some know-it-all, and above all, I would recommend this television to anybody in hopes that the buzzing doesn't kill them, and for the most part it doesn't kill me... but for someone to come in and tell me that I'm not hearing something unnatural on my TV, that really rattles my chains. I wish I had a TV that didn't buzz like this, but I'm honestly not sure if that Samsung PN59D7000 actually exists. I'm thinking that some people just can't hear it because their ears can't detect that frequency of noise, which is good for them. Again, it's not about how loud it is (and don't get me wrong, it's actually pretty loud), but it's how high-pitched it is. A lower hum would probably be a non-issue. This thing sounds like an active bug zapper when sitting in the right position.



... ^ Pretty much what he said. Brightness pops haven't gotten to me yet (they are common, frequent, and noticeable, but haven't gotten to the bugging point yet... it'll take someone else's commentary to send me over the edge), but the buzzing is too real for me to consider a household commodity such as a television to possess. If it was normal for all plasmas to do this, that's one thing. This isn't that one thing, though...

Muffin, I know your set buzzes and I believe you. My set buzzes also, but it's not extra loud and not a defect in my set. Your set unfortunately sounds like a bad power board which does need to be fixed or serviced, but hopefully Samsung techs can fix it. I hope you call them.

For the previous guy, yes you expect a $2K set to work and most of them do and well!

If 50 sets out of 100,000 are bad and the 50 owners rail away on AVS Forum, it's not really a problem, but looks bad on here.

Also, there is a circular magnet that comes with these sets that is to be attached around the power cord up near the back of the set. Use tape if it won't stick there any other way. That magnet helps limit buzzing and other things due to power issues. I'm not an engineer, but the instructions detail it and experts can speak on it better.

I didn't happen to see this magnet when I unpackaged it. I hope I can find it.

If I can't seem to find it, does anyone else know where I could buy another one?

Another ignorant rant. Most owners who have problems post and complain. I and many others have NO problem with this set. And yes, I actually work in Video Production .

CD

Yepp.

Ferrite Cores can be bought at Radio Shack or Amazon, just be sure to get one that fits your cord.

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In my humble observation, for those that rant, here are the facts:
Cnet has given d7000 editor choice award
Televisioninfo has chosen d7000 as television of the year
Plasma buying guide, the d7000 is the highest 2011 rated model
Perfect Vision- reccomended award for d8000/d7000 series
Hdtv shootout 2011- d8000/7000 came in 3rd place with a very close score for 2nd place with panasonic.


While incidents of pops and buzzing maybe there, you have multiple critics not infleunced by samsung awarding this tv.

I for one have purchased it and will be receiving it tomorrow. I have confidence that it will be outstanding.

Will getting more than one help more, potentially?

Also, the experts ( d-nice, Kevin Miller,etc.) at the shootout picked the D8000 first. The below results reflected the audience choice).

The set comes with two cores, so yes. Just make sure you secure them up where the power cord enters the TV. I used electric tape that I wrapped around the cord under both cores to keep them in place. They just snap around it.

By the way, this goes for everyone who owns this set and want to limit buzzing. Don't complain another word in this thread unless you've already attached both cores or until you at least try it.

It makes no sense to turn people against such a great set with the good prices you can find now. If you are on the fence and are looking into this set for Xmas, pull the trigger as you'll love it like most of us do.

The floating blacks were in my Panny G25 also, as in the VTs also and still are. Those Pannys and this Sammy are all great and the PQ is not matched unless you want a Pro model plasma $7K and up or the new Sharp ELITE with Pioneer tech. It's an LED and it costs $6K. If you've got the dough, knock yourself out!

Thanks, just found them and will put them on after my gaming session! Should they be literally right next to each other, up there? Or should they be like an inch apart? Again, will more than those do?

Indiscriminate use of the chokes (ferrite rings) can cause standing waves which in essence turns the power cord into an antenna. Normally, use one at each end of the cord -- as close to the end as possible.

Larry

the ferrite cores help very little, but who knows...but your tone really makes you sound like an arrogant fanboy....

i saw the brightness pop and no way would i pay for that, just because you accept it doesnt mean you need to tell others to accept it... you are now ignored..

My PN59D7000 just prompted me earlier tonight to download firmware 001014.

I let it download and install.

Any idea what this firmware did?

My previous firmware was I think the 001007?

Basically the firmware that came with the tv stock.

Yeah, I just applied them, and they helped diddly squat.

I will angle my TV down a few more degrees and go for an expensive surge protector (since I'll be doing that down the line anyway), but my main reason I don't like the buzzing is because I don't want to have to apologize to my friends and family that they are hearing some anomaly out of a TV I've been bragging about for the past while because it shines in literally every other category. This is why I hope it's something only I can hear, and not anyone else in my family really. This kind of thing would be considered not only "inexcusable," but "defective" to most people's eyes. Well, ears technically...

Anyway, I tried updating the firmware online, and the progress bar looped a couple of times before it said that there was an error, and that I should turn off my TV and try again. After doing so, the software upgrade icon is now grayed out. I guess it updated properly? I don't even know what 1014 addresses.

I think some people here fail to realize that the brightness pops are highly influenced by your individual video settings.