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post #3091 of 4123
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Originally Posted by AtDaBeach View Post

Jesus, dont you guys ever get tired. There are many more of us loving this set, and as far as Im concerned, there is a thread for these pop discussions. Do the owners that like the set have to get notified 20 times a day in the "OWNERS" thread from people that dont even own the set, worrying about a problem.

Take it there.

theres a couple problems with doing that.

1. i am looking at the D7000 in particular. Not any other D series and certainly not the 6500 or below. so i would like to get info only from D7000 owners.

2. i would most likely only get responses from people who are unhappy with thier sets due to the popping issues in that thread and i would like opinions from those that are happy as well. I doubt there are many folks in their defending the sets. you actually provided me with positive feedback so thank you.
post #3092 of 4123
I guess it's just been asked and answered and discussed at ad nausem, so it's tiring.
post #3093 of 4123
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Originally Posted by AtDaBeach View Post

I guess it's just been asked and answered and discussed at ad nausem, so it's tiring.

For sure. It seems like the issue has taken over any discussion of the set and positive opinions are lost in the mess, but unfortunately this is the best place for potential buyers to ask questions. I hope to be on here as a happy owner soon.
post #3094 of 4123
I haven't considered the popping to be a "buyer's remorse" kind of issue. I can see how the buzzing could be, but not the pops. They aren't common enough (except maybe in hockey) for me to be that unnerved by it. Yes, if I had not heard about them before, they would have been recognizable enough that I would come on here and ask what eco-friendly feature I would have to disable to get rid of them, only to be disappointed in figuring out that it can't be. That doesn't make this television unwatchable, though.

Although, if the buzzing and the pops went away, this television would just be some black levels and shadow details short of perfection!
post #3095 of 4123
What people do not realize, and Ive had the benefit of owning a few in previous years, it's all sorts of designs/models have issues, none of them are perfect.

I also agree this stuff is little, and not a returnable issue. My D7000, which is calibrated by e, produces a gorgeous picture and makes sport and blu-ray very enjoyably.
post #3096 of 4123
The last few post have been people just complaining about certain issues. I come to the forums for support and calibration advice, but the forum has been overrun by complaints lately.

I am a happy owner of the 59 inch. Love this set and for the price I felt it was a bargain.

On another note...
Did anyone find out what new firmware does?

Also is it possible to downgrade once you update?

Thanks
post #3097 of 4123
I love this set except for one problem. Watching ice hockey is horrible due to continuous pops. It seems like the TV is trying to make some kind of adjustment due to the ice being white and the contrast with the other colors. Or something like that.

I remember reading a while ago that engaging the "cinema smooth" feature resolves this problem. I'm not able to select the "cinema smooth" function as it is not highlighted. I read on the e-manual that "cinema smooth" is only available when the TV inputs a 24hz signal.

First, can anyone confirm that this TV does in fact have this "pop" problem while watching hockey?

And if that is the case, does the "cinema smooth" function resolve the issue?

Lastly, if the answer to the first two questions is "yes", wouldn't that mean that "cinema smooth" can only be activated while watching DVD's since 24HZ is not available when watching cable TV.

Thanks in advance for any help.
post #3098 of 4123
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Originally Posted by gary50 View Post

I love this set except for one problem. Watching ice hockey is horrible due to continuous pops. It seems like the TV is trying to make some kind of adjustment due to the ice being white and the contrast with the other colors. Or something like that.

I remember reading a while ago that engaging the "cinema smooth" feature resolves this problem. I'm not able to select the "cinema smooth" function as it is not highlighted. I read on the e-manual that "cinema smooth" is only available when the TV inputs a 24hz signal.

First, can anyone confirm that this TV does in fact have this "pop" problem while watching hockey?

And if that is the case, does the "cinema smooth" function resolve the issue?

Lastly, if the answer to the first two questions is "yes", wouldn't that mean that "cinema smooth" can only be activated while watching DVD's since 24HZ is not available when watching cable TV.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Cinema Smooth only is an option for 24fps sources. So, no, that isn't a fix. I have my set calibrated and I barely notice any brightness pops watching hockey. I would suggest getting it calibrated, first.

I agree with AtDaBeach....I love this set. Issues are completely minor and this set blows away my old Toshiba RPTV!!!
post #3099 of 4123
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Originally Posted by gary50 View Post

I love this set except for one problem. Watching ice hockey is horrible due to continuous pops. It seems like the TV is trying to make some kind of adjustment due to the ice being white and the contrast with the other colors. Or something like that.

I remember reading a while ago that engaging the "cinema smooth" feature resolves this problem. I'm not able to select the "cinema smooth" function as it is not highlighted. I read on the e-manual that "cinema smooth" is only available when the TV inputs a 24hz signal.

First, can anyone confirm that this TV does in fact have this "pop" problem while watching hockey?

And if that is the case, does the "cinema smooth" function resolve the issue?

Lastly, if the answer to the first two questions is "yes", wouldn't that mean that "cinema smooth" can only be activated while watching DVD's since 24HZ is not available when watching cable TV.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Yes, yes, and yes.

Keep in mind that CS does not eliminate the number of pops, but it reduces it.
post #3100 of 4123
Mr. Muffinmcfluffin,

Please stop spreading false information. I don't know why this issue is so hard to stamp out. Watch hockey on any display and you will see flashes off the ice, it's normal
post #3101 of 4123
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Originally Posted by muffinmcfluffin View Post


Yes, yes, and yes.

Keep in mind that CS does not eliminate the number of pops, but it reduces it.

I've never seen a brightness shift with CS on. I see it easily with it off.
post #3102 of 4123
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Originally Posted by zoyd View Post

Mr. Muffinmcfluffin,

Please stop spreading false information. I don't know why this issue is so hard to stamp out. Watch hockey on any display and you will see flashes off the ice, it's normal

What false information? He asked if birds fly, I said yes. He didn't ask if birds are the only thing in the air that fly, and if he did, I would have made that correction.

The pops on this television are unlike my older Panasonic TH-50PX6U plasma downstairs, though. I watch hockey on that all of the time, and although the camera plays tricks on the visuals themselves because of the contrast from white and dark, the television isn't doing any extra processing like this Samsung does.

Don't think I'm "spreading false information" to hate on this television. My own 59" beaut will be my favorite investment for years to come, so there isn't any motive here. I'm simply answering questions being asked.

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Originally Posted by AtDaBeach View Post

I've never seen a brightness shift with CS on. I see it easily with it off.

Well I'm watching the Poseidon Blu-ray as we speak with CS on, and in ten minutes I have seen it at least three times. I stand by my statement that it reduces it but does not eliminate it. It might for some, but not for me.

Again, not a major complaint. For letterbox films, it's barely noticeable.
post #3103 of 4123
ok, "spreading false information" is too strong. But you answered incorrectly. The correct answer is, "no, this TV does not in fact have a "pop" problem while watching hockey"
post #3104 of 4123
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Originally Posted by zoyd View Post

ok, "spreading false information" is too strong. But you answered incorrectly. The correct answer is, "no, this TV does not in fact have a "pop" problem while watching hockey"

Depends on how you watch it. Have you ever watched NHL GameCenter on a PS3? Have you ever played NHL 12 on it? Hockey is hockey... changing the amount of white ice and dark stands on the screen will change the brightness.

Need I record it?
post #3105 of 4123
I just got my first plasma and chose the 59D7000 and I love the PQ, especially compaired to my 47C7000 and my older Samsung LCD. I do notice the buzzing but on within a couple of foot (only when no sound is on) and the sound on this set beats any TV I have heard.


However, I am having a severe issue with a trailing/blurry image which is very noticable from cable, blu ray, and xbox (can not even play halo because it so bad). I have tried several different cables and just went out and bought a bluray monster cable and philips to try and get it to go away and it does not. I even tried a bluray with 24hz setting (on PS3) and CinemaSmooth (on tv) turned on and that makes everything worse. I even tried factory pic settings and cnet clibration settings and nothing helps.

Does anyone have any ideas????
post #3106 of 4123
I just bought the 51" D7000 for $1199 at best buy. They have a bundle package with a free blue ray player and 2 sets of glasses included for free. On the website it shows $1499 for this same deal. Luckily, I wanted to see it at a magnolia store and asked about the price. They didn't have a display but when he told me the price, I ordered it on the spot. I read the reviews and was just going to go see it. With 36 month financing, that was an offer that I couldn't refuse. Total with tax came out to less than $1300 including the player and glasses. I'll have it in 5 days.
post #3107 of 4123
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Originally Posted by muffinmcfluffin View Post

Depends on how you watch it. Have you ever watched NHL GameCenter on a PS3? Have you ever played NHL 12 on it? Hockey is hockey... changing the amount of white ice and dark stands on the screen will change the brightness.

Need I record it?

It's the content. When I put the Comcast guide up and the hockey rink is now only about 15% of the total picture in the upper right hand corner of the screen the pops are exactly the same although not quite as noticeable because of the much lower total light output in the pops themselves. My Mitsubishi DLP does exactly the same thing.
post #3108 of 4123
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Originally Posted by AtDaBeach View Post

I've never seen a brightness shift with CS on. I see it easily with it off.

I can confirm that the pops can still occur (depending on your brightness/cell/contrast settings) when watching 24p sources in Cinema Smooth. Cinema Smooth prevents them from affecting the black bars when letterboxed, making them MUCH less noticable, but you can find the very same pops in the rest of the image if you look for them.

However, I found that dropping cell to 18 (cont=95, bright=57) appears to stop pops completely in Cinema Smooth. So, it think people should be reporting their settings if they really want to discuss/understand pops.
post #3109 of 4123
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Originally Posted by reddsimpson View Post

I just got my first plasma and chose the 59D7000 and I love the PQ, especially compaired to my 47C7000 and my older Samsung LCD. I do notice the buzzing but on within a couple of foot (only when no sound is on) and the sound on this set beats any TV I have heard.


However, I am having a severe issue with a trailing/blurry image which is very noticable from cable, blu ray, and xbox (can not even play halo because it so bad). I have tried several different cables and just went out and bought a bluray monster cable and philips to try and get it to go away and it does not. I even tried a bluray with 24hz setting (on PS3) and CinemaSmooth (on tv) turned on and that makes everything worse. I even tried factory pic settings and cnet clibration settings and nothing helps.

Does anyone have any ideas????

There is no way you have a functional set, nothing like this has ever been reported here. Return it or schedule a repair.
post #3110 of 4123
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Originally Posted by AvidHiker View Post

I can confirm that the pops can still occur (depending on your brightness/cell/contrast settings) when watching 24p sources in Cinema Smooth. Cinema Smooth prevents them from affecting the black bars when letterboxed, making them MUCH less noticable, but you can find the very same pops in the rest of the image if you look for them.

However, I found that dropping cell to 18 (cont=95, bright=57) appears to stop pops completely in Cinema Smooth. So, it think people should be reporting their settings if they really want to discuss/understand pops.

It depends on how your television was calibrated. I'm fine going a notch down in cell light, but I won't lower my brightness from 65 to crush my shadows, just to eliminate FBr.

For the record, I own a 59D7000. I've heard reports that the 8000, when calibrated, doesn't need brightness to go above 60.

Anyway, I'm at cell = 19, cont = 95, bright = 65.
post #3111 of 4123
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Originally Posted by muffinmcfluffin View Post

It depends on how your television was calibrated. I'm fine going a notch down in cell light, but I won't lower my brightness from 65 to crush my shadows, just to eliminate CS.

For the record, I own a 59D7000. I've heard reports that the 8000, when calibrated, doesn't need brightness to go above 60.

Anyway, I'm at cell = 19, cont = 95, bright = 65.

Good point, let's add model number to that reporting.

I have a 59D7000 as well and have some crushed blacks with these settings that I just haven't gotten around to adjusting for. Still, it seems playing with the cell setting is a good first step, especially for those with pro calibrations (it is the only setting that doesn't completely screw up greyscale according to LarryInRI).
post #3112 of 4123
Finally broke down and bought a P51D7000. First HDtv, so new to all this calibration and break in stuff. I've tried to read through as much as I can on this (and other owners threads) and on the break in thread, but wow, just TMI for a guy who's been stuck in the 80's.

I read: 1) definitely break in with slides. 2) No, nonsense, these new plasmas don't need break in at all. 3) Just be careful the first 100-200hrs., and ALL KINDS OF VARIATIONS. Also what seems like a million different settings for calibrations.

What I'm hoping for is a P51D7000 setup for dummies!!

As far as break in, I want to be REASONABLY conservative, but not go nuts. I'd love to just jump in and start playing Madden on PS3, but figure thats probably not best. Also, only use a TV 4-5hrs a day at most, definitely don't want to go a month of "being careful" watching tv before I can use it how I want.

For calibration, unless changing settings is VERY simple and quick, I'm more of a "set it and leave it" kind of guy.


SO, thoughts on how I should proceed when it gets here on Friday afternoon?
(btw, won't have hd programming until Saturday morning, but have dvd player or PS3 blue-ray)


Run slides? Watch normally, run slides when not watching (is this OK, to leave it running at night or during the day when not home?)? Factory settings?, Set it one way for break in and then change it??

Anything KNOWLEDGABLE in a simple easy to apply format is appreciated.

Thanks!!
post #3113 of 4123
Personally, I think old habits die hard in this case. This generation of plasma panels do not require any break in. "Break in" does occur, like in the case of D-Nice's procedure to age the phosphors before calibrating the Vieras, but it is not required. Unless you notice some image retention early on (seen a very few isolated reports of that), I would not worry about a thing. I don't game, but did not baby the set AT ALL from the moment I set it up. I've been using recommended settings from the calibration thread from day 1. Not a trace of image retention OR uniformity issues.
post #3114 of 4123
Just wanted to come back and post an update since I've had the 51d7000 running for a few days now. As stated in my first post I was concerned with all the negative reports in this thread regarding pealing, buzzing, and brightness pops. Almost to the point of canceling my order and not risking it. I know it's only been a few days, but I can report that the set is actually very quiet, hardly audible run noise from a few feet back, let alone anything close to what others have experienced. Also, the brightness pops seem to be a non-issue. I've maybe seen this a handful of times so far, and it's barely noticable. Not seeing it repeatadly even when watching sports and movies with frequent changes in lighting.

I don't want to discount what others are experiencing, but I'm very happy that all signs are pointing to a great choice in buying this TV for me.

Only slight letdown is that the 2D-3D upconversion is not as good as I was hoping for, but the Blu-Ray 3D and DTV 3D channels more than make up for that. I think there will be more 3D content coming soon from DTV and I can't wait.

As for calibration and break in, I'm not worrying at all about that. Just slightly tweaking the settings in Normal for brightness and sharpness to fit my preferences for mostly ESPN and movies, and it looks great!

Hope everyone else that has bought this set recently is having similar experiences and no buyers remorse whatsoever!

Cheers!
post #3115 of 4123
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Originally Posted by AvidHiker View Post

There is no way you have a functional set, nothing like this has ever been reported here. Return it or schedule a repair.

Tried talking to samsung, they are dead set on the issue being all of my devices. Went to the store and theirs experienced the same issues but it looked like the had nothing calibrated (the 6500 had better PQ). They said I could try a better surge protector since I am running a crappy one until I foind a good Monster or something.
post #3116 of 4123
I have uploaded a .mov of the issue (30sec long about 100mb size). http://xfcs.net/blur.mov greatly appreciate if someone could tell me if that is called blur, what is the best calibration to use (cnets just does not seem to be correct), and is Monster Power with Clean Power Stage 1 a good surge protector.
post #3117 of 4123
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Originally Posted by reddsimpson View Post

Tried talking to samsung, they are dead set on the issue being all of my devices. Went to the store and theirs experienced the same issues but it looked like the had nothing calibrated (the 6500 had better PQ). They said I could try a better surge protector since I am running a crappy one until I foind a good Monster or something.

Well, what you described here sounded pretty bad. If you claim to see the same problem with an in-store demo, then I suppose there is something about plasma that does not agree with you. Are there any plasmas that look better to you?

Anyway, in-store demos are so easily had for TVs, there is no reason NOT to try one before a purchase. Find something you like and exchange it for that!
post #3118 of 4123
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Originally Posted by reddsimpson View Post

I have uploaded a .mov of the issue (30sec long about 100mb size). http://xfcs.net/blur.mov greatly appreciate if someone could tell me if that is called blur, what is the best calibration to use (cnets just does not seem to be correct), and is Monster Power with Clean Power Stage 1 a good surge protector.

Sorry, but I won't follow links to vids on anything but youtube.

I think it's very funny that you claim someone is trying to sell you on a power conditioner.

Is this guy for real?!?
post #3119 of 4123
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Originally Posted by AvidHiker View Post

Sorry, but I won't follow links to vids on anything but youtube.

I think it's very funny that you claim someone is trying to sell you on a power conditioner.

Is this guy for real?!?

Sorry about that, did not know youtube allowed for 100mb files. Here is a youtube link to the issue http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWp-voUcTLY

Also he was not trying to sell me a surge protector, just recommended that I try replacing it.
post #3120 of 4123
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Originally Posted by reddsimpson View Post


Sorry about that, did not know youtube allowed for 100mb files. Here is a youtube link to the issue http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWp-voUcTLY

Also he was not trying to sell me a surge protector, just recommended that I try replacing it.

I wonder if that is why my Sammy came with 2 baluns.
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