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post #4081 of 4123
The offsets and gains are used to adjust the grayscale (white balance) not the colors.

If the screen looks too green or pink, turn down the color control to zero and adjust the offset and/or gain -- in small increments -- until the picture looks like a neutral black and white. If the picture looks to green, you may only have to change the color temperature from warm2 to warm1 and leave the offsets and gains alone.

This is not a true calibration. A meter is needed for that. But adjusting the white balance this way will give you a more personal pleasing picture.

Larry
post #4082 of 4123
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Originally Posted by AvidHiker View Post

The warm to cool transition on these sets simply changes the amount of blue in the grayscale, but things can start to look reddish in warm2, especially to the untrained eye. Warm generally shouldn't look greenish, but I suppose it's possible (especially if repairs have been made to the TV). Unfortunately, this is a difficult thing to address without a calibration. DIY with a meter can still be done for $200 or so I think, but requires some time investment. Beyond that, there's not much you can do - however, you should at least do a proper calibration by eye with a test disc in movie mode. Try AVS HD 709 or buy a disc. Samsung provides a "blue only" mode that is very accurate for setting color and tint, but this could still fall short of solving your problem.

You are indeed right. Hade my D7000 for quite a while running Warm2 and I do start to feel it may go a bit on the reddish side in the average bluray. I do have a bit of colour blindness though so I don´t trust my eyes to much wink.gif
I don´t mind that much I do preferr that over green and especially bluish tints but if you would like to tone it down a hair what would you do? I tried changing the skin colour setting which do help a bit. That is the bit I am most picky about looking right.
post #4083 of 4123
I've had this TV for almost a year, and I mostly love it. The only things that bug me are the blacks not being as black as I'd like (though I'm sure a qualified calibrator could help the set out in this regard) and the buzzing.

I had gotten used to the buzzing (Hugo, oddly, was the only movie where the buzzing was a real distraction) but I recently upgraded my receiver to a Denon 2113ci, and I swear the buzzing is now much louder than it was with my old piece of crap Onkyo. Is that weird or does that make sense?

Anyway, I'm worried I can't find a decent professional calibrator here in the NC Piedmont, and I'd hate to spend the money and end up not being that impressed with the results. The buzzing is one of those things I'll continue to observe and evaluate. If the TV is higher than ideal, the buzzing is less audible, but I don't want it to sit that high.

Still, all in all a gorgeous set.
post #4084 of 4123
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Originally Posted by oqvist View Post

...I don´t mind that much I do preferr that over green and especially bluish tints but if you would like to tone it down a hair what would you do? I tried changing the skin colour setting which do help a bit. That is the bit I am most picky about looking right.

Beyond what Larry has suggested, I don't think there is much you can do apart from having it calibrated. Buy an i1DPro for $250 and you can fix it yourself fairly easily.
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Originally Posted by slightlydismayed View Post

...but I recently upgraded my receiver to a Denon 2113ci, and I swear the buzzing is now much louder than it was with my old piece of crap Onkyo. Is that weird or does that make sense?
Anyway, I'm worried I can't find a decent professional calibrator here in the NC Piedmont, and I'd hate to spend the money and end up not being that impressed with the results...

Seems unlikely to me since, in most cases, buzzing is being mechanically generated by the TV. Bypass the AVR and see if it makes a difference.

If you're looking for a travelling calibrator, try posting in the calibration forum. You never know...
post #4085 of 4123
I am wondering if the US models of the D7000 has netflix?

I read that on the european models at least netflix is not possible with the D5/D6 of the LCD-series. Seeing the D7000 is essentially a D6900 it may not be compatible as well?
post #4086 of 4123
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Originally Posted by oqvist View Post

I am wondering if the US models of the D7000 has netflix?
I read that on the european models at least netflix is not possible with the D5/D6 of the LCD-series. Seeing the D7000 is essentially a D6900 it may not be compatible as well?

Yes the D7000 and D8000 have NetFlix as part of thier smart apps....(at least for the US models)....
post #4087 of 4123
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

Yes the D7000 and D8000 have NetFlix as part of thier smart apps....(at least for the US models)....

I don't use it that often, since both my blu-ray player and my media player also have a netflix app. But it is there. I can't remember whether it was originally loaded on the set or downloaded later.
post #4088 of 4123
Man do this panel age fast. I bought mine in december and hasn´t really used it that much. Wish you could get into the control panel without it resetting all the settings. Though that is perhaps what I should do? I hardly ever watch tv just some gaming and most of the time for movies. I noticed lately that I found the image getting a bit dark and having trouble with shadow detail. Using britney and Munsils contrast pattern I now can see the letter 21 lowest where as I recall when it was fresh down to about 5. I do have a bit of a goldfish memory sometimes though wink.gif.

I see more bars then 21 but can´t pick out the lettering and the first 50 % is just pure black in my pitch black room. It´s obvious why it´s hard to pick out shadow details like I was used to and why my blacks are inkier then ever. I suppose this is normal but it´s not even a year old yet how fast will it go down from here? There is not much I can do on the tv side to compensate since I suppose am pushing it quite hard. . Setting gamma to +3 was the only thing that had any real effect on getting more bars. Am I stupid having run the cell light at 19. Contrast I run at 75-85 but thinking I should maybe not try to compensate and make it work even harder... Just have no head room whatsoever in this regard it appears.

This is kind of enjoying because my second tv is a S-pva LCD which as just about all S-PVA give decent blacks but love to crush all the shadow details.
post #4089 of 4123
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Originally Posted by oqvist View Post

Man do this panel age fast. I bought mine in december and hasn´t really used it that much. Wish you could get into the control panel without it resetting all the settings. Though that is perhaps what I should do? I hardly ever watch tv just some gaming and most of the time for movies. I noticed lately that I found the image getting a bit dark and having trouble with shadow detail. Using britney and Munsils contrast pattern I now can see the letter 21 lowest where as I recall when it was fresh down to about 5. I do have a bit of a goldfish memory sometimes though wink.gif.
I see more bars then 21 but can´t pick out the lettering and the first 50 % is just pure black in my pitch black room. It´s obvious why it´s hard to pick out shadow details like I was used to and why my blacks are inkier then ever. I suppose this is normal but it´s not even a year old yet how fast will it go down from here? There is not much I can do on the tv side to compensate since I suppose am pushing it quite hard. . Setting gamma to +3 was the only thing that had any real effect on getting more bars. Am I stupid having run the cell light at 19. Contrast I run at 75-85 but thinking I should maybe not try to compensate and make it work even harder... Just have no head room whatsoever in this regard it appears.
This is kind of enjoying because my second tv is a S-pva LCD which as just about all S-PVA give decent blacks but love to crush all the shadow details.

My D8000's blacks are going bad, too. I don't understand all that you said, but I think its the same issue. The blacks are all blotchy in darker scenes. I just tried re-setting the picture settings after having been very pleased with one of the settings from the calibration thread-- no help. I'm not sure what to do.
post #4090 of 4123
English is not my forte.

Blotchy is a good term for it.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57362126-221/update-long-term-plasma-tv-tests-enter-second-year/
I don´t get the feel that the max black levels got worse but I suppose it´s like bass. It´s the mid bass not the low bass that is most noticable.
post #4091 of 4123
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Originally Posted by oqvist View Post

Man do this panel age fast. I bought mine in december and hasn´t really used it that much. Wish you could get into the control panel without it resetting all the settings. Though that is perhaps what I should do? I hardly ever watch tv just some gaming and most of the time for movies. I noticed lately that I found the image getting a bit dark and having trouble with shadow detail. Using britney and Munsils contrast pattern I now can see the letter 21 lowest where as I recall when it was fresh down to about 5. I do have a bit of a goldfish memory sometimes though wink.gif.
I see more bars then 21 but can´t pick out the lettering and the first 50 % is just pure black in my pitch black room. It´s obvious why it´s hard to pick out shadow details like I was used to and why my blacks are inkier then ever. I suppose this is normal but it´s not even a year old yet how fast will it go down from here? There is not much I can do on the tv side to compensate since I suppose am pushing it quite hard. . Setting gamma to +3 was the only thing that had any real effect on getting more bars. Am I stupid having run the cell light at 19. Contrast I run at 75-85 but thinking I should maybe not try to compensate and make it work even harder... Just have no head room whatsoever in this regard it appears.
This is kind of enjoying because my second tv is a S-pva LCD which as just about all S-PVA give decent blacks but love to crush all the shadow details.

I had this same issue when my set was updated to the 1016 firmware earlier this year, after being annoyed with it for about a month I started researching the forums. I followed the steps in this article, http://www.avsforum.com/t/1389562/samsung-d-series-fbr-fix-discussion which involved me downgrading my firmware then upgrading it to 1014 using a USB, problem solved and my picture once again looked great. As always doing something like this is at your own risk, but I almost felt like my TV was unwatchable till I did this the screen was so dim.
post #4092 of 4123
When things get desperate perhaps. I am not sure what the european firmware numbers are for when that change would possibly happened. They are not carbon copies of eachother I would expect. Run som 10:20 currently.
post #4093 of 4123
My first 64D7000 panel didn't change noticeably over the almost exactly 1000 hours that I accumulated on it. I had to get it replaced due to suddenly appearing flashing red pixels, and since the replacement had some serious uniformity issues I'm now on my 3rd panel. I hope it's my last and that it stays the way it is right now...
post #4094 of 4123
whats the best firmware upgrade that gets rid of brightness pops for this set?
post #4095 of 4123
New firmware from Samsung...1017.3

Anyone try it yet? Any issues?

Here is Samsung says about 1017.3:

1. Title 2011 PDP Firmware
2. Applicable Model D6450, D6500, D6900, D7000
3. Carrier or Corporate Customer All Customers
4. Description:
- This firmware supports Verizon App.
- This firmware supports Netflix 3.1.
- This firmware makes TV available for 3D explore and Compassion apps.
- This firmware improves picture quality on SD picture
- This firmware enhances TV security(Widget encryption, Widget key security, obfuscation).
- New code is added for Verizon app service(Caption, Cookie, DRM).

Thanks,

-tom
post #4096 of 4123
I tried connecting a 3TB HDD to a PN64D7000. but the TV with the latest November 2012 firmware wouldn't recognize the external hard drive. I asked the following questions on the Samsung forum:

<<I just connected a WD MyBook Studio 3TB HDD (NTFS format), but the Samsung PN64D7000 would not recognize the hard drive. All of the previously used hard drives and USB flash drives from 4GB to 1 TB worked flawlessly. That leaves me with 2 questions:

1. Can Samsung come out with a new firmware to allow us to use drives that are greater than 1TB?
2. Can we partition the drive in 1-2TB segments so that a 3TB or greater HDD can be recognized the D7000 series?>>

and below is Samsung's response:

<<We have conferred with our resident television specialist and he said testing in our labs has concluded that as long as the drive is formatted in NTFS format and it doesn't require a seperate driver, an external disk drive up to 3TB has worked without issue>>

My drive is NTFS, but I'm not sure about specific drivers. I also wrote to WD and I'm waiting to hear from them. Anyone here tried connecting a 3TB drive and got it to work?

Thanks in advance
post #4097 of 4123
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Originally Posted by tambrose View Post

New firmware from Samsung...1017.3
Anyone try it yet? Any issues?
Here is Samsung says about 1017.3:
1. Title 2011 PDP Firmware
2. Applicable Model D6450, D6500, D6900, D7000
3. Carrier or Corporate Customer All Customers
4. Description:
- This firmware supports Verizon App.
- This firmware supports Netflix 3.1.
- This firmware makes TV available for 3D explore and Compassion apps.
- This firmware improves picture quality on SD picture
- This firmware enhances TV security(Widget encryption, Widget key security, obfuscation).
- New code is added for Verizon app service(Caption, Cookie, DRM).
Thanks,
-tom

i have downloaded this update im still trying to see if my colours are worse but i notice that motion is way better with this update and i notice that my pq is much more crisp...just gunna test 3d to see if it has less cross talk now ...btw for 3d perspective @ 0 and depth @ 7 is perfect on my set
post #4098 of 4123
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Originally Posted by player002 View Post

i have downloaded this update im still trying to see if my colours are worse but i notice that motion is way better with this update and i notice that my pq is much more crisp...just gunna test 3d to see if it has less cross talk now ...btw for 3d perspective @ 0 and depth @ 7 is perfect on my set


I intalled the new 1017.3 on my 64D7000. The only picture quality improvement that I see is in standard definition. I have tested it by rolling back my firmware to version 1013 and compared it to 1017. I did this three times to verify. Every other difference between the two firmware versions has to do with apps.

Larry
post #4099 of 4123
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Originally Posted by LarryInRI View Post

I intalled the new 1017.3 on my 64D7000. The only picture quality improvement that I see is in standard definition. I have tested it by rolling back my firmware to version 1013 and compared it to 1017. I did this three times to verify. Every other difference between the two firmware versions has to do with apps.
Larry

I guess something might have been wrong with my set cause the motion is better now and pq I noticed that sd looked better i have a overall better pq ...I rolled back using sammy go method then applied 1014.6 and I got the optimizing message and bam logic board updated.Never knew I had fbr ...Good to know what's the difference's in firmware ...I love this tv motion bothered me but for some reason to me it seems smoother now.

I would like to tell people something about the 3d.I never felt the tv had great 3d and I know there are plenty out there like me.I could never adjust the 3d depth only perspective,to do so properly is to choose 2-3d option and adjust depth from there when you are watching regular 3d the same depth will be there.
post #4100 of 4123
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Originally Posted by player002 View Post

I guess something might have been wrong with my set cause the motion is better now and pq I noticed that sd looked better i have a overall better pq ...I rolled back using sammy go method then applied 1014.6 and I got the optimizing message and bam logic board updated.Never knew I had fbr ...Good to know what's the difference's in firmware ...I love this tv motion bothered me but for some reason to me it seems smoother now.
I would like to tell people something about the 3d.I never felt the tv had great 3d and I know there are plenty out there like me.I could never adjust the 3d depth only perspective,to do so properly is to choose 2-3d option and adjust depth from there when you are watching regular 3d the same depth will be there.

now I know why the pq and motion where better.I CHANGED THE MODEL # IN THE SERVICE MENU FROM PN51D6900 TO PN51D7000


I have the d6900 model from Canada ..If you go in the service menu and change the tv from pn51d6900 to pn51d7000(doing so will reset ur settings and calibrations) you will get 50,000,000 more in the contrast and much smother motion ...The tv is dumbed down by Samsung but hacking it turns it into a 7000 its exactly the same tv ...just like the d550 that opens up 10 pt white balance this d6900 hack opens up better processing and more colours.This hack works for sure on the d6900 I have done this myself others try and confirm if it works on d6500...
post #4101 of 4123
I have used Larry's setting for calibrations and wow the whites are white and the colours are awesome im good now time to watch some tv lol
Edited by player002 - 12/9/12 at 7:43pm
post #4102 of 4123
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Originally Posted by player002 View Post

I have used Larry's setting for calibrations and wow the whites are white and the colours are awesome im good now time to watch some tv lol

Which of his settings are you using? If you don't mind me asking.

KWood34
Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2
Edited by KerryWood34 - 12/14/12 at 4:47am
post #4103 of 4123
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Originally Posted by KerryWood34 View Post

Which of his settings are you using? If you don't mind me asking.
KWood34
Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2

Sorry to say this again and again....Do not copy or use any calibration settings doesn't matter if it's for your set they vary too much and are not accurate. Larry himself has mentioned that the 4 sets or so that he had required all different calibrated values and he used a meter. If you do not have a meter then just set the basics using a disk and live with it . Set Contrast , brightness, color/tint, and sharpness , disalbe all enhancements. Enjoy the picture stop chasing the perfect calibrated values of somebody elses tv.
post #4104 of 4123
Those of you with an Oppo BDP-93, do you ever use the video noise reduction features of the player? If so, which ones?
post #4105 of 4123
I recently bought a SpectraCal CS3 and CalMAN 5 bundle and I'm having a lot of fun using it on my 64D7000. I'm still learning how it all works but it's interesting to see that the kinks of this particular set which have been discussed are indeed real. E.g. how the 10 point controls are shifted by one, making the multi point grayscale adjustment slightly tricky (and making the interval 10 control useless, as that level is dealt with by the interval 9 control...). Also, my red is way out there and I'm having a hard time bringing it in. Still, I can get it right below delta 3 so not too bad. Finally, everything seems to require multiple passes so it's a rather time-consuming hobby.

Anyway, it's great and very helpful to have this thread bookmarked. Lots of good info here!
post #4106 of 4123
Willie,

The 10 point controls can be used with good results even though they do not line up with the stimulus. See this post: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1333561/samsung-d7000-d8000-settings-calibration-thread/3150#post_22747370

Larry
post #4107 of 4123
Larry,

Thank you very much. I'll take a look at that. I also came across a post (probably also by you) saying that a higher contrast setting can make them line up so I tried that and yup, with a contrast of 87 the problem is gone. Of course, that doesn't exactly mean that the whole process has gotten easy. smile.gif

I'm kind of surprised how much everything changes when the contrast is adjusted, by the way.

These screenshots where I'm at right now. I can definitely fine tune everything and make it better, perhaps with the exception of cyan which didn't seem to move much at all regardless of my adjustments. But I'm going to leave it now and take another shot at it over the weekend.

Basics:
Cell 20
Contrast 87
Brightness 59
Color 51
Tint 51/49
Gamma 0


post #4108 of 4123
Willie,

Right. The 10 point regions line up at higher Contrast level settings. If the peak white output is too high for you with Cell at 20, you can reduce Cell a few ticks without destroying the 10 point settings. (This is what Chad B does. That's why he created the chart to determine where the 10 point controls are active.) There is a small price to pay when ABL kicks in but it really is a very small price.

EDIT: I wasn't very clear. Chad created the chart in order to keep the Cell setting high when a lower Contrast is used. However, the price to pay by lowering the Cell setting with a relatively high Contrast setting is acceptable. Acceptable to me but maybe not to someone like Doug Blackburn or even zoyd. That may be because I can't take anything over a peak white of over 30 ftL in a dark room and even a relatively low value of 27 ftL is just fine for me.

Don't knock yourself out over cyan and green with the D7000. It's the nature of the beast that these colors cannot be adjusted to perfection. Unlike the D8000, these colors will always have an x value that is too low and no matter what is done there is no way to bring them in line. What you have now is just fine. Don't forget to readjust the gamut after fixing the grayscale tracking (RGB balance.)

If you want to continue this discussion, I suggest that we take it over to the D series calibration/settings thread.

Larry
Edited by LarryInRI - 1/4/13 at 3:38pm
post #4109 of 4123
I’m hoping someone can help me with a problem I’m having with my Samsung PN64d7000 plasma. I’ve attached a picture that shows the problem. While watching anything in widescreen format the center of the screen is discolored (the center seems to have a red tint) compared to the both sides. The color on the sides seems be ok compared to the middle of the screen. The condition is most evident while watching light colored scenes or still images. Does anyone have any ideas what the problem could be or if it was caused by me watching too many programs in Standard Definition? I still have couple weeks left on the warranty so if it’s a Samsung issue I’d like to have them fix the problem. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. photo (3)a.JPG 90k .JPG file
post #4110 of 4123
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Originally Posted by vhart93 View Post

I’m hoping someone can help me with a problem I’m having with my Samsung PN64d7000 plasma. I’ve attached a picture that shows the problem. While watching anything in widescreen format the center of the screen is discolored (the center seems to have a red tint) compared to the both sides. The color on the sides seems be ok compared to the middle of the screen. The condition is most evident while watching light colored scenes or still images. Does anyone have any ideas what the problem could be or if it was caused by me watching too many programs in Standard Definition? I still have couple weeks left on the warranty so if it’s a Samsung issue I’d like to have them fix the problem. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. photo (3)a.JPG 90k .JPG file

I'd absolutely submit a service request, that looks pretty bad. Just out of curiosity; how much 4:3 programming do you watch?
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