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post #421 of 4112
4/13/11 at 1:02pm
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Can you put this into layman's terms? Is this the problem I've been having where the brightness will dim when there are excessive whites on the screen?

No, that sounds like the normal ABL circuit. It's designed to lower the brightness / power draw to prevent an overcurrent. What is being described is a decrease is brightness in several small and quick increments (edit: I resolved this via a factory reset). The ABL response is immediate and occurs in a single step.

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Yes, the factory reset and the disabling of all Eco options in addition to the Motion (whatever) fixed this for me also. It must be that one of the settings is stuck on delivery.

Brightness pops? Does that mean the brightness increases at random intervals? I actually do see this sometimes on the volume numbers when altering the volume.

I suppose. I have not seen this. It's best to judge these effects on high quality (1080p) sources.

I will re-iterate that the PQ on the 59D7000 improves upon my 58C7000, which, by most accounts, was among the best or next-best sets of 2010. The brighter output combined with the enhanced filter and better CR give the display LCD-like qualities with all the advantages inherent to PDP tech.

While it seems like a lot of hand-wringing, people post on forums to highlight problems, identify commonalities, and find solutions. It's not a self-congratulatory society (unless you own an 8G/9G Kuro ). If you're seeing frequent and visible changes in PQ that you deem are unacceptable (whether it's blinking from last year or random, fluctuating brightness), you should return the set. It's just a TV.
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post #422 of 4112
4/13/11 at 1:42pm
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While it seems like a lot of hand-wringing, people post on forums to highlight problems, identify commonalities, and find solutions. It's not a self-congratulatory society (unless you own an 8G/9G Kuro ). If you're seeing frequent and visible changes in PQ that you deem are unacceptable (whether it's blinking from last year or random, fluctuating brightness), you should return the set. It's just a TV.

Thanks koffas for some good info and some great advice. I think it is important to realize that forums usually draw more negative comments than positive. I will be watching this forum for a couple of more weeks to get some more info, good and bad about this tv. It still sounds awesome
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post #423 of 4112
4/13/11 at 2:22pm
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Originally Posted by jhan1 View Post

Thanks koffas for some good info and some great advice....

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While it seems like a lot of hand-wringing, people post on forums to highlight problems, identify commonalities, and find solutions. It's not a self-congratulatory society (unless you own an 8G/9G Kuro ).

Here, here! I laughed out loud reading that.
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post #424 of 4112
4/13/11 at 2:51pm
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Can somebody please ANSWER me? What is the measured black level for the D7000? Thank you

You're going to have to wait for a professional review. In all likelihood no one posting in this thread has a good enough meter to measure the MLL of the D7000 as it is probably in the .01 or lower range.
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post #425 of 4112
4/13/11 at 3:26pm
But there already have been numerous reviews from places like flatplaneshd and stuff. No MLL measurements?
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post #426 of 4112
4/13/11 at 3:52pm
I have a 59D7000 arriving tomorrow, and was wondering how everybody installed the stand. I had heard that it says to lay it down and install it? I always thought that was no-no for plasmas?
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post #427 of 4112
4/13/11 at 4:27pm
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Originally Posted by Rickylane44 View Post

I have a 59D7000 arriving tomorrow, and was wondering how everybody installed the stand. I had heard that it says to lay it down and install it? I always thought that was no-no for plasmas?

It's fine that's how mine was set up just make sure there's nothing on the bed or buttons on your quilt or anything
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post #428 of 4112
4/13/11 at 4:36pm
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Originally Posted by koffas View Post

While it seems like a lot of hand-wringing, people post on forums to highlight problems, identify commonalities, and find solutions. It's not a self-congratulatory society (unless you own an 8G/9G Kuro ). If you're seeing frequent and visible changes in PQ that you deem are unacceptable (whether it's blinking from last year or random, fluctuating brightness), you should return the set. It's just a TV.

As I noted in one of my previous posts, despite all my ranting, I still find the PQ on this TV to be absolutely phenomenal (it's just breathtaking at times), and really, it's close to being perfect. I am indeed only highlighting the negative issues, when there are in fact more positives than I can even count. That said, I still would like to address the negative issues so as to help everyone with this set, including myself.
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No, that sounds like the normal ABL circuit. It's designed to lower the brightness / power draw to prevent an overcurrent. What is being described is a decrease is brightness in several small and quick increments. The ABL response is immediate and occurs in a single step.

It's not in small or quick increments. It's on certain files, particularly a movie on Vimeo. The entire screen dims [If anyone is interested in the particular movie go to Vimeo app > My Channels > HD Videos and it's the very bright one with a girl's hair floating (it's right at the top of the list currently)] to a very noticeable extent. And it's not just the video that dims, the surrounding menus do too - but I see this ONLY on this video. I can't tell if there's just something wrong with the source, or if the screen can't handle brightness without "power saving". Again, I'll experiment with more bright scenes later.

Again guys, just to reiterate, the picture quality on this TV is absolutely breathtaking. There are a few minor issues, and I just find it important to highlight them so as to help everyone with the set.

Lastly, any update on the firmware guys? I've been holding off with the updating like many of you have.
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post #429 of 4112
4/13/11 at 4:39pm
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Originally Posted by XciteMe83 View Post

Can somebody please ANSWER me? What is the measured black level for the D7000? Thank you

It's as black as you need, unless you are some sort of videophile freak.

Which you may in fact be.

(I have the PN64D7000 BTW)
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post #430 of 4112
4/13/11 at 5:02pm
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Originally Posted by bmonkey View Post

I've been noticing a lot of IR as well, mostly from the 360 and my XBMC setup. Usually I'll notice it when I pause a letterboxed movie in XBMC, which causes the "pause" menu in my XBMC skin to show up in the lower black bar, and then I got IR where the pause menu was for 5-10 mins. It's not too distracting IMHO, I have to really look for it to notice it.

At any rate, whatever IR I've noticed has never been a real distraction and always resolved itself after a while. Of course, I've only had this set about 10 days.

I have a 2010 PN58C7000 and I game alot on 360 and ps3.

This is my first plasma, so I was wary of IR, but from my experience, I have 0 IR. And let me tell you I would leave static images on my screen for a loooong time.

Whether it was a movie I paused or the xbox 360 dashboard of a game I paused.

No IR here. Very happy.
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post #431 of 4112
4/13/11 at 7:59pm
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Originally Posted by Zetherin View Post

As I noted in one of my previous posts, despite all my ranting, I still find the PQ on this TV to be absolutely phenomenal (it's just breathtaking at times), and really, it's close to being perfect. I am indeed only highlighting the negative issues, when there are in fact more positives than I can even count. That said, I still would like to address the negative issues so as to help everyone with this set, including myself.

It's not in small or quick increments. It's on certain files, particularly a movie on Vimeo. The entire screen dims [If anyone is interested in the particular movie go to Vimeo app > My Channels > HD Videos and it's the very bright one with a girl's hair floating (it's right at the top of the list currently)] to a very noticeable extent. And it's not just the video that dims, the surrounding menus do too - but I see this ONLY on this video. I can't tell if there's just something wrong with the source, or if the screen can't handle brightness without "power saving". Again, I'll experiment with more bright scenes later.

Again guys, just to reiterate, the picture quality on this TV is absolutely breathtaking. There are a few minor issues, and I just find it important to highlight them so as to help everyone with the set.

Lastly, any update on the firmware guys? I've been holding off with the updating like many of you have.

No worries. The comments were supposed to be general in nature.

I took a look at that video. I didn't notice any significant ABL-induced dimming, but the white background has a strong yellow cast to it. I watched some other videos (interesting site), and the whites look nowhere near as dirty. It's tricky gauging PQ against internet-streamed sources. Blu-ray is a better litmus test, as it removes a lot of variables.

I'd hold off on the new f/w as it doesn't appear to have introduced any remarkable functionality.
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post #432 of 4112
4/13/11 at 8:23pm
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Originally Posted by koffas View Post

No worries. The comments were supposed to be general in nature.

I took a look at that video. I didn't notice any significant ABL-induced dimming, but the white background has a strong yellow cast to it. I watched some other videos (interesting site), and the whites look nowhere near as dirty. It's tricky gauging PQ against internet-streamed sources. Blu-ray is a better litmus test, as it removes a lot of variables.

I'd hold off on the new f/w as it doesn't appear to have introduced any remarkable functionality.

It is a very interesting site. I had never really explored the site prior to getting this television, but it really has some of the most awesome and artistic videos I've watched in a while. As for the yellow haze in that particular video, I suppose you're right - that's not the dimming but the video itself. My gauge however when watching all the videos has been the pause/play menu. I look directly at the "Play >" button which is all white, and on some videos I see that white fluctuating depending on the scene. The button isn't translucent either (that is, I'm not picking up the background video and confusing it with brightness dimming). It's not as bad as it was after doing the factory reset I mentioned earlier, but I'd still like to know what is causing this. You're saying that this is a normal, non-changeable energy-saving setting?

As for the source, you're right, there may be other variables whilst streaming, and blu-ray may allow me a more accurate evaluation. I don't have my blu-ray player hooked up currently, but I will by tomorrow and will then do some more testing.
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post #433 of 4112
4/13/11 at 8:26pm
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Originally Posted by ag.jase View Post

I have a 2010 PN58C7000 and I game alot on 360 and ps3.

This is my first plasma, so I was wary of IR, but from my experience, I have 0 IR. And let me tell you I would leave static images on my screen for a loooong time.

Whether it was a movie I paused or the xbox 360 dashboard of a game I paused.

No IR here. Very happy.

Just to support this: I have left many scenes up for a while also and I have had absolutely no IR.
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post #434 of 4112
4/13/11 at 8:48pm
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post #435 of 4112
4/13/11 at 9:28pm
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Originally Posted by PassedPawn View Post

It's not just in your head. The best place for me to see it is when I fire up the Netflix app. Most of the screen goes solid red while the app is loading. After a second, the screen incrementally gets darker. It isn't smooth; it goes down a notch ever half second or so, about 7 or 8 times. Appreciably darker, not an optical illusion.

I thought that this is normal when you start the Netflix application. I believe the application has its own picture settings, so there is a brightness change when you start it.
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post #436 of 4112
4/13/11 at 9:41pm
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Originally Posted by XciteMe83 View Post

Can somebody who actually OWNS the D7000 tell me, how are the black levels compared to, say, other plasmas you've owned or seen?

Does it offer that really deep, inky black?

Would you say it's black level is better than the Panasonic 2010 G25???

I suppose it would depend on whether or not you are talking about a 51 incher or one of the larger 59/64 inch models. My 58/63 C7000's had better blacks than my Panny G25, so one would think that the D7000's would only be even better.
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post #437 of 4112
4/13/11 at 10:25pm
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Originally Posted by Keynote View Post

I thought that this is normal when you start the Netflix application. I believe the application has its own picture settings, so there is a brightness change when you start it.

It does it on mine with other Smart Hub apps -- allshare, for instance, which was more annoying that the Netflix opening.
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post #438 of 4112
4/13/11 at 10:46pm
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Originally Posted by SRrobin981 View Post

It does it on mine with other Smart Hub apps -- allshare, for instance, which was more annoying that the Netflix opening.

Applications might have different brightness settings. Are you experiencing the issue when you are not running any applications?
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post #439 of 4112
4/13/11 at 11:14pm
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Great TV. I originally intended to purchase the 929. I am looking to get the PN64D7000. I also have the same stand!
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post #440 of 4112
4/13/11 at 11:15pm
No. I wish there was a way to normalize it. It goes from the vivid style of the smart hub portal to a dulled look elsewhere.

For anyone who cares, there is an updated Vudu app - dated today (13th). I downloaded and installed, and the program menu & settings came up just fine.
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post #441 of 4112
4/14/11 at 12:08am
Zetherin I hope the room with your TV was really flooded with sunlight... or I hope you haven't calibrated the picture yet and your contrast and brightness are cranked up to 100... Either one... Because those black levels don't look so impressive! The letterboxes look a bit gray-ish!
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post #442 of 4112
4/14/11 at 3:40am
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Originally Posted by XciteMe83 View Post

Zetherin I hope the room with your TV was really flooded with sunlight... or I hope you haven't calibrated the picture yet and your contrast and brightness are cranked up to 100... Either one... Because those black levels don't look so impressive! The letterboxes look a bit gray-ish!

That's due to the flash of the camera and quality of the photo. Compare to the stand which you know is jet black. You can see in the left side of the pic that both the letter box and stand is more grayish than the right side. But through the pic you can see the bottom letter box is pretty damn close to matching the stand color. Looks good to me
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post #443 of 4112
4/14/11 at 4:23am
Zetherin and others who haven't experienced IR. Just curious, did you break in your TV or just start watching it on regular settings?
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post #444 of 4112
4/14/11 at 4:47am
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Originally Posted by NWSD View Post

Zetherin and others who haven't experienced IR. Just curious, did you break in your TV or just start watching it on regular settings?

Does the d8000 have the same issues with brightness that the d7000 has. Seems to me that the c8000 were better sets.am I missing something here ?
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post #445 of 4112
4/14/11 at 4:58am
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Originally Posted by XciteMe83 View Post

But there already have been numerous reviews from places like flatplaneshd and stuff. No MLL measurements?

flatpanels hd'd measurements are crap in regards of MLL, cause their meter is crap.
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post #446 of 4112
4/14/11 at 5:29am
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Originally Posted by jae3cpamd View Post

Does the d8000 have the same issues with brightness that the d7000 has. Seems to me that the c8000 were better sets.am I missing something here ?

What issue concerning brightness are you asking about? Just wondering.
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post #447 of 4112
4/14/11 at 8:40am
I'm also looking to get this TV soon. Is it really still necessary to break plasmas in? That was debatable a few years when I got mine, I would think it would be completely unnecessary by now. Or do people just do it just in case and peace of mind?
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post #448 of 4112
4/14/11 at 10:27am
question about hdmi slots on the new d series are they on the back o the side??
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post #449 of 4112
4/14/11 at 11:01am
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Originally Posted by tazz3 View Post

question about hdmi slots on the new d series are they on the back o the side??

I took a pic of the back connectors. Take a look a few posts back.
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post #450 of 4112
4/14/11 at 11:09am
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I took a pic of the back connectors. Take a look a few posts back.

Great pics Zetherin, just what I was looking for, Thanks. That 1 port looks like it is labeled DVI. Is it an actual dvi port or an hdmi. The reason I ask is i connect my htpc using a dvi to hdmi adapter cable. This could simplify things
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