In case anyone wasn't aware, I was planning on letting Mark and Jeff run their speakers last so we could cross over to a subwoofer (or two in Terry's case). Jeff was totally cool at the GTG, though, and we when chatted about running the speakers in order of price range he actually spoke with me personally and said he didn't have an issue running without a subwoofer. In other words, it was his choice. Obviously his JTR's are designed to run with a subwoofer, but he was gracious enough to not bother messing with the subs and just run the speakers full range. After all, this was intended to be a GTG in which all speakers were run full range (which we were clear about), even though I was willing to make an exception. In the end, the two high efficiency speakers were so sensitive that running them with subwoofers wouldn't have worked anyway, at least not with the preamp and Terry's dual LMS5400's . When we tried later on at the GTG the subs sounded like they weren't on because they were 11-12dB quieter than the speakers, which I already mentioned earlier in the thread.
To summarize, Jeff chose to run sans subwoofers for the listening session, and even when we went to hook them back up for a second listening session because we knew they should be paired with subs, it didn't work out at all due to the sensitivity mismatch. Please relax with comments about the JTR's needing subs and making it sound like we ran them without them intentionally to put Jeff's speakers at a disadvantage; this was not the case, and Jeff approached me in Terry's kitchen about just letting them run full range before his speakers were run. I'll also note that I did hear them running with Terry's receiver with subwoofers and they sounded good, but the tonality did not change.
Originally Posted by Archaea
Terry had the onkyo receiver used for our movie play time capped at -10. Ill often watch movies at -12 with the bass turned up a few dbs hot. For demo scenes I usually like to approach reference. I don't think that's otherworldly. One of my buddies always watches movies at around -5. That to me is too loud for a whole movie, but its still enjoyable!
Randy, you are still welcome and invited to come over.
I usually watch around -12 too, Jonathan. For movies, I do not think that is too loud, and I hear zero distortion or strain through my speakers or subs at those levels; I actually re-created the GTG levels in my room with music and then movies (obviously my room is smaller, so take it with a grain of salt), and my SongTower's didn't distort in the slightest, whether run full range for music or crossed over to subs for movies. For music, though, -10 would definitely be too loud, although I use a preamp for music. The cool thing about movies is, when you're watching at say -10, only the dynamic action scenes (or whatever) get really loud, and it's not a sustained level. If the entire movie was 100dB + we'd all have hearing loss.
I hope this thread has cooled down and people will respect the opinions of the GTG attendees. I'll have you know a number of folks haven't posted their impressions because they are afraid of getting scrutinized by members here. That is just sickening...