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post #1651 of 1777
That was well stated and actually sort of poetic Jay. I have communicated to Terry on a few occassions on how much I appreciated being at the GTG a few weeks ago. I not only enjoyed the speakers, but also discussing the speakers and audio with others. I certainly hope others have communicated their thanks as well.

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Originally Posted by Pet Motel View Post

It was clearly evident that all of the attendees enjoyed themselves at the GTG! Terry, again, my thanks in so graciously hosting the event, and opening your gorgeous home to the many people, some, like myself, being total strangers to you.

I can only imagine that if your situation were reversed with any of the rest of us, the unkind, and unnecessary comments would cut deeply as well. It's an unfortunate byproduct of an anonymous community (an Internet forum) that the same courtesy, and respect is not shown as would be the case in a face to face conversation.

Hold your head up high, those who partook of your hospitality, who were actually there, hold you in high regard, and that is the only metric that truly matters. Sometimes these things require a thick skin, sad but true.

If you are as fastidious about your sound system as was apparent from the components that comprise it, I have no doubts that you would not have willingly used a compromised piece in the playback chain.

I think it's ridiculous that a few bad apples should spoil the barrel, look at the number of views this thread has generated, there are a hundred times more people who have quietly, and politely read these pages looking for a bit of enlightenment than have responded, and even fewer whom have commented in a negative fashion.

As for myself, I'm much too hard headed to really care too much about the comments from those looking to cause controversy. As was well stated by Mrs. Nuance, life is too short for that. Words to live by.
post #1652 of 1777
@TJHUB
I of course was not there but what you stated has been my thoughts since the GTG. I also feel that even if the amp had been a problem it would only be so on the most dynamic peaks, the character of the speaker would still be there for all to hear.
I for one would love to have a setup like what you get to listen to.

You have a beautiful system, a beautiful house and i know the vast majority of us appreciate you putting the time and effort into this GTG. It certainly has taught me a lot. Thank you
post #1653 of 1777
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Originally Posted by Pet Motel View Post

It was clearly evident that all of the attendees enjoyed themselves at the GTG! Terry, again, my thanks in so graciously hosting the event, and opening your gorgeous home to the many people, some, like myself, being total strangers to you.

I can only imagine that if your situation were reversed with any of the rest of us, the unkind, and unnecessary comments would cut deeply as well. It's an unfortunate byproduct of an anonymous community (an Internet forum) that the same courtesy, and respect is not shown as would be the case in a face to face conversation.

Hold your head up high, those who partook of your hospitality, who were actually there, hold you in high regard, and that is the only metric that truly matters. Sometimes these things require a thick skin, sad but true.

If you are as fastidious about your sound system as was apparent from the components that comprise it, I have no doubts that you would not have willingly used a compromised piece in the playback chain.

I think it's ridiculous that a few bad apples should spoil the barrel, look at the number of views this thread has generated, there are a hundred times more people who have quietly, and politely read these pages looking for a bit of enlightenment than have responded, and even fewer whom have commented in a negative fashion.

As for myself, I'm much too hard headed to really care too much about the comments from those looking to cause controversy. As was well stated by Mrs. Nuance, life is too short for that. Words to live by.

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Originally Posted by ALMFamily View Post

I want to second this Terry - I can't even begin to express how much I appreciated being able to invade your home for a day. I would not have had a chance to listen to the speakers that now dominate the top of my current pecking order without your graciousness.

As far as the naysayers; in the end - haters are going to hate.

+1!

Although I wasn't able to attend (sigh), I think the sentiments expressed in the above quotes represents the majority here.

Like has been said, it's a shame a few bad apples have to spoil it, especially for those who worked to put together the GTG.

Since it's not likely I would be able to attend most of these GTGs (if any), I would hope participants and organizers would forget about the "critics" and continue to publicly post. I know I'm not the only one here who enjoys reading about the GTGs and finds them very educational.
post #1654 of 1777
Terry is right folks: I've been going over comments and what I heard and I think the "distortion" was a completely different sound than what Archaea described he heard with every speaker but the JTR's, with the former only being heard through the SoundScapes. The amp with the bad transistor likely couldn't handle the SoundScapes low sensitivity drivers, thus it actually did distort or even clip at that time. There was no issue with the right SoundScape, only the left, so that would explain that issue.

The other speakers didn't distort to my ears, though some of them struggled at louder volumes when being run rull range in that large of a room. There's only so much a speaker with smaller drivers can do (like Terry said, we may have been around 100dB or more at the speaker itself). With that said, I heard no distortion from any of them besides the SoundScapes, but rather what I would call driver or power compression, albeit minor. Due to our listening levels it could have also been a soft clip from the amp. However, I suspect Archaea heard what he heard because of where he was seated, which was on the floor, much closer to the left speaker and too close to all of those left speakers. His analogy of hearing two different MP3 bitrates points to a bad listening location; distortion is a much different animal, which usually sounds like buzzing, fuzziness or a whooshing noise that removes clarity and muddies everything up. Since no one else heard that with every speaker except the JTR's (as Archaea says he heard), it was likely his seating location. With that said, at those listening levels the transients could have hit north over 250 watts, and that would have caused soft clipping of the amplifier, which in turn would have been reproduced by the speakers.

Terry, the left monoblock may have had an issue with the SoundScape speaker, but it may not have for the rest...or maybe it did, who knows? I'd contact Klaus and have him look at it to confirm. I suspect the "distortion" heard wasn't distortion but just a bad listening position. The GTG was not a failure, and I really enjoyed it. Everyone will have their own opinions and may have heard things differently than you, me or Archaea. Chalk it up to different biases, preferences and levels of experience, but don't completely blame the amp for all of the "faults" that people found with various speakers. The latter is simply based on subjectivity and opinions, nothing more.

P.S. I shouldn't have to say this (again), but you were a great host; don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
post #1655 of 1777
TJHUB,

I just wanted to say after watching this thread from before the GTG till after that hopefully you and others reading this thread understand, opening your family's home up to strangers and friends for something like this is a big deal (at least to me).

I hope that for all the non-positive things stated that you think back to the in person handshakes and thanks that I would believe were given to you for hosting this event. Those should make you realize that you and your family provided your home and time for others to get together for a fun event and people appreciated it.

I have only had one GTG and had no one from this forum attend (guess I posted the info in the wrong section), only folks from PE made it over. It was a great little time listening to different DIY designs and chatting about them. I do hope to try again for another one at some time since it was fun for all. I believe like the one you held.

Just a few thoughts.

James
post #1656 of 1777
I thought it was a great event. I didn't even hear the distortion on the Soundscapes but believe I was in the kitchen when it was discovered. Jonathan and Terry, is this something you heard on the first track or was it later tracks? Was it only on peaks?

In addition, I listened to Terry's speakers the night before and thought they sounded excellent, no amp problems, really no problems whatsoever.
post #1657 of 1777
From the very first track. And it was a different 'distortion'...more of a warble in tone compared to the others that sounded more like a lower bit rate or lack of perfect clarity at the times of the 'distortion'. The soundscape 10s were distorting in places the others hadn't imo.

As mentioned before --- to me the others seemed overdriven by power in peaks while attempting full range material at the given volume - of course to varying degrees. By contrast the soundscape 10 sounded defective...which is why I got up and talked to the hosts only during the soundscape10 audition.
post #1658 of 1777
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

From the very first track. And it was a different 'distortion'...more of a warble in tone compared to the others that sounded more like a lower bit rate or lack of perfect clarity at the times of the 'distortion'. The soundscape 10s were distorting in places the others hadn't imo.

As mentioned before --- to me the others seemed overdriven by power in peaks while attempting full range material at the given volume - of course to varying degrees. By contrast the soundscape 10 sounded defective...which is why I got up and talked to the hosts only during the soundscape10 audition.

For the record, I only heard the issue after Archaea pointed it out. I was hosting and not critically listening most of the time. I did sit in the sweet spot for the SS10's, but didn't particularly notice the issue on my own.
post #1659 of 1777
Well guys, tomorrow is quickly approaching....
AKfest was this weekend, and a few people posted some pics of the Selah CBT's over on Audiocircle, so I commandeered them from PAD/BigRedMachines posts and figured I'd post them here so you could get an early look.







Looking forward to hearing them.... they look very nice....

Curious, Rick perhaps you could fill us in on what drivers you are using on these arrays.... and cost of finished product.... Veneer is very nice, what flavor is that ?
30 tweeters, and 10 mid/bass drivers....

As usual with my GTG's.... I have limited supply of beer, if that is your flavor - feel free to bring your own... I have various varieties of mixers and soda.

I'm going to try to make up some appetizers if I have time, or I'll be firing up some pizza's... I'll see how my day goes...
post #1660 of 1777
They sounded very clean when I stopped by yesterday. The equalized bass has a lot of punch and clarity. The small room wasn't exactly designed to show off the special qualities of line sources, so I'm sure they will be even more impressive at the GTG.
post #1661 of 1777
Thanks Dennis, I have a pretty large room of 8500^3 open to everywhere so that should help get an idea of their capabilities. Everyone knows how my subs are needed in that room albeit a bit overkill, so comparisons will be easy to get a feel, plus seating is spread out quite a bit which should be nice for judging dispersion.
post #1662 of 1777
What's the sensitivity of the Selah line arrays?
post #1663 of 1777
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

What's the sensitivity of the Selah line arrays?

Good Question, Rick is probably still at the Show, and will likely be busy doing his thing there, so I'll doubt we'll get much in the way of answers from him until later.
post #1664 of 1777
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

What's the sensitivity of the Selah line arrays?

They're actively driven with a DEQX crossover.
post #1665 of 1777
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post


They're actively driven with a DEQX crossover.

Thanks, Dennis. I probably should have just looked that up.
post #1666 of 1777
Those array speakers looks like they are holding their breath and getting ready to belt out some sound!!!

Very impressive looking! I'd love to hear how they sound!
post #1667 of 1777
What Page has the gtg pics?
post #1668 of 1777
Gotta surf through the pages bro
post #1669 of 1777
haha
post #1670 of 1777
Looking forward to seeing you all tomorrow for the Selahs! Thanks for the pics Patrick - those are some beauts!
post #1671 of 1777
Heres a pic of them that gives an idea of their size...

post #1672 of 1777
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Originally Posted by TJHUB View Post

For the record, I only heard the issue after Archaea pointed it out. I was hosting and not critically listening most of the time. I did sit in the sweet spot for the SS10's, but didn't particularly notice the issue on my own.

I did not notice it. That said, if was told about it, I would have listened to just that driver.
post #1673 of 1777
Are those the speakers we're listening to today? Why did I think Rick was bringing the RAAL line arrays?
post #1674 of 1777
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

Are those the speakers we're listening to today? Why did I think Rick was bringing the RAAL line arrays?

Same here^^^. Maybe I misread.
post #1675 of 1777
We were talking about line arrays, and I posted a pic of the ones with the RAAL tweeters as a discussion point... In this post
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post21937313

I, nor Rick never stated that those were to be the speakers in attendance, although I'm secretly wishing they were....

Either way, I'm excited to hear how a LA does....
post #1676 of 1777
We have had a couple cancel, so there is room if anyone would like to attend. A bit last minute here but thought I'd post it up.

@ 20 mins North of Milwaukee on 43.
post #1677 of 1777
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Originally Posted by Solid-State View Post

yeah crazy $$$ That would actually justify a loudspeaker that costs over say... $15k (including active xover DSP!)NO COMMENT

15k gets you a pretty ****** new car or a rose gold Rolex. I'd say it's a super bargain!
post #1678 of 1777
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Originally Posted by Warpdrv View Post

Well guys, tomorrow is quickly approaching....
AKfest was this weekend, and a few people posted some pics of the Selah CBT's over on Audiocircle, so I commandeered them from PAD/BigRedMachines posts and figured I'd post them here so you could get an early look.







Looking forward to hearing them.... they look very nice....

Curious, Rick perhaps you could fill us in on what drivers you are using on these arrays.... and cost of finished product.... Veneer is very nice, what flavor is that ?
30 tweeters, and 10 mid/bass drivers....

As usual with my GTG's.... I have limited supply of beer, if that is your flavor - feel free to bring your own... I have various varieties of mixers and soda.

I'm going to try to make up some appetizers if I have time, or I'll be firing up some pizza's... I'll see how my day goes...

Thanks for sharing the pictures and your hard work to host for tonight. The list price is $12,500/pair with an introductory offering of $10,000 (includes shipping to the mainland USA and on-site calibration of the DEQX). A passive crossover is also available for those that have a preamp or pre-pro that they like. The drivers are proprietary and the demo pair has Tineo veneer. Looking forward to tonight!
post #1679 of 1777
GTG should be kicking off anytime between 5 - 6 pm, for those that are coming...
post #1680 of 1777
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Originally Posted by Warpdrv View Post

GTG should be kicking off anytime between 5 - 6 pm, for those that are coming...

looking forward to hearing about it.
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