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post #961 of 1777
I think they are just kidding around Brandon. Having talked briefly to your wife, she seemed really good at explaning her thoughts when discussing how the JTR's and Seaton speakers sounded.
post #962 of 1777
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

^ Here we go... RMK!, are you trying to imply something? Now you're just feeding the troll (jeffc1). It was only a matter of time...

Nuance-
I can only speak for myself and I was just messing around however I can not speak for other... Cough.... Cough.....the one they call the troll
post #963 of 1777
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Originally Posted by ehoeft View Post

Nuance-
I can only speak for myself and I was just messing around however I can not speak for other... Cough.... Cough.....the one they call the troll

I know...that guy is just attacking anyone associated with Salk and Philharmonic speakers a lot lately. The last six posts he has made have been attacks on either me or Salk or Philharmonic. I haven't even posted my impressions on the GTG and the dude already went on attack mode once in this thread this morning. RMK!'s post, while not offending me, did stir up you know who. What can I say - I'll stop using Internet Explorer to surf the forums, as it doesn't seem to apply spell check (underlines the incorrectly spelled words in red). We've been using IE all day...my mistake. I'll be sticking with Google Chrome and be more careful when posting through my Android phone's AVS Forum app.
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Originally Posted by pennynike1 View Post

I think they are just kidding around Brandon. Having talked briefly to your wife, she seemed really good at explaning her thoughts when discussing how the JTR's and Seaton speakers sounded.

Thanks buddy. She also says thanks.
post #964 of 1777
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post


I know...that guy is just attacking anyone associated with Salk and Philharmonic speakers a lot lately. The last six posts he has made have been attacks on either me or Salk or Philharmonic. I haven't even posted my impressions on the GTG and the dude already when on attack mode once in this thread this morning. RMK!'s post, while not offending me, did stir up you know who.

Yea I follow those threads and I've seen his posts toward you and the so called "payed members" advertising for DM lol
post #965 of 1777
I like to beat dead horses. I played It’s a Wonderful World by Louis Armstrong, on the Philharmonic 2s and it sounded just as Mrs. Nuance described. The bass and treble was overpowering and the vocal was weak and recessed. I hit the phase button on my preamp and then it sounded like I remembered it. I did mention it in my review of the Philharmonic but I didn’t describe it nearly as well as Mrs. Nuance.

Bob
post #966 of 1777
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Originally Posted by Mrs. Nuance View Post


Seaton Catalyst:

Patrick, you will love these speakers, even if they aren't in your bedroom (haha, you won't be able to ask people to get into your bed and hear them).

Salk SoundScape:

My favorite! The only bad thing I really have to say is I don't care for the shape/look of the cabinetry; looks like a temple. They look better in person than in pictures, though, and grew on me a little. With that said the build quality was excellent and the wood veneer was really cool. The sound was smooth without losing detail; everything flowed, nothing was strained and you could close your eyes and feel like you were right there. It didn't sound like speakers were playing, but instead sounded like the artists and instruments were just there in the room.


I really get far too much CR@P for having such a nice system in my bedroom... I'm sure your all just jealous... LOL It does have its merits though BTW.... Your thoughts on the SS's is dead on, and although I don't have the full Choo Choo Train scenario, I can def appreciate their perfect nature....

I'm super glad to hear your impressions on the Catalysts amongst the other speakers at the GTG Laura, a different point of view (female), which is very important to me, women as a whole generally have much better hearing then men and those sensitivities to sound are massively important and far less recognized by men as a whole...

I look forward to adding the Cat 8ST's to my system when they are ready for the masses...

Patrick
post #967 of 1777
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Originally Posted by fsimms View Post

I like to beat dead horses. I played It's a Wonderful World by Louis Armstrong, on the Philharmonic 2s and it sounded just as Mrs. Nuance described. The bass and treble was overpowering and the vocal was weak and recessed. I hit the phase button on my preamp and then it sounded like I remembered it. I did mention it in my review of the Philharmonic but I didn't describe it nearly as well as Mrs. Nuance.

Bob

Very very interesting. Well, I haven't posted anything negative about any speakers yet, but you are making me feel bad for not being fully aware of the phase reversal thing. I read your review (and loved it), but I had forgotten about that part. Fortunately I know of a handful of people that really liked the Phil's, even if my wife wasn't one of them. I hope they post their impressions soon.
post #968 of 1777
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

^ Here we go... RMK!, are you trying to imply something? Now you're just feeding the troll (jeffc1). It was only a matter of time...

Darn right I am, I'm implying that Wisconsinites can't spell ...
post #969 of 1777
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

Solid-State, plesae stop badgering the attendees; they will post their impressions when they want to, and they will be as specific or non-specific as they care to. Please stop taking this thread off topic. In fact, I'd prefer you didn't post until everyone has shared their experiences. Have patience and stop telling us we should have done this or that, and used this or that. You weren't there, weren't invited and should please just stop. The others will post their impressions when they want to, or maybe they never will, which is their right. I ask that everyone is patient, as it was along day and some of the attendees made a very long drive. I too look forward to everyone's thought but understand it may take time to gather them and put them into print.

I would just like to say thanks for putting this all together so we can all get some opinions on these speakers. Most of these speakers here have drawn allot of attention lately. Look forward to getting some of the opinions from the crowd.
post #970 of 1777
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Originally Posted by RMK! View Post

Darn right I am, I'm implying that Wisconsinites can't spell ...

Guilty. I told me wife what you said and we both still think "tripple" looks correct.
post #971 of 1777
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Originally Posted by monkuboy View Post

.......I was soooo impressed by Mrs. Nuance's refreshingly candid and lucid impressions that I just had to say THANK YOU!

I really enjoyed reading what she had to say because it didn't require anyone to read between the lines. Straight to the point in simple but descriptive English. I loved it and I loved the approval pic as well. I wish all reviews could be so forthright. While others may not agree with her findings, I am happy she said what was on her mind in such a clear manner. Thanks again!

+1

Loved her review!
post #972 of 1777
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Originally Posted by Reefdvr27 View Post

I would just like to say thanks for putting this all together so we can all get some opinions on these speakers. Most of these speakers here have drawn allot of attention lately. Look forward to getting some of the opinions from the crowd.

I think I speak for everyone involved with the planning and staging of the event that it was our pleasure. If all of the speakers disappeared before we had a chance to hear them I still would have been fine, because for me it was all about hanging out with a great group of people. I cannot convey enough how awesome it was meeting everyone, putting a name to a face and having Jeff, Mark and Jim bring their own offerings because some nobody (me) in Wisconsin asked them to attend. Hearing all that great gear was just icing on the cake. Again I say, everyone who attended was way cool, as if I'd known them all my life and was just seeing an old friend or whatever. What a great group of people! Thanks to everyone for attending!!!

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Originally Posted by Saturn94 View Post

+1

Loved her review!

Jeez...you guys are making me re-consider my usual long-winded, "audiophile" (or maybe it's audiophool) lingo filled reviews. LOL! Maybe I should just keep it simple like Laura and rank the speakers. I am getting a little old for fifty page reviews anyway...
post #973 of 1777
Apologies everyone - got home late last night and spent the day working in my dedicated HT.

Here are more pics of speakers for you all:

Soundscape 10s









Seaton Catalysts





Salk HT2s



post #974 of 1777
JTRs





Ascends





Songtowers







Phil IIs









Closer shot of Terry's gear

post #975 of 1777
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

Very very interesting. Well, I haven't posted anything negative about any speakers yet, but you are making me feel bad for not being fully aware of the phase reversal thing. I read your review (and loved it), but I had forgotten about that part. Fortunately I know of a handful of people that really liked the Phil's, even if my wife wasn't one of them. I hope they post their impressions soon.

I am glad you liked the review. Don't feel bad about the phase thing as I didn't explain it very well. Nobody seemed to get it. I should have sent it to Mrs. Nuance to rewrite for me.

Bob
post #976 of 1777
More people shots!







post #977 of 1777
As far as my impressions, I promise to have something done tomorrow or Tuesday at the latest. Full disclosure though - my review won't be nearly as good as Laura's! Well done!
post #978 of 1777
I think Fsimms is confusing absolute phase reversals with reversals between individual drivers. If he simply reversed the phase switch on his preamp, that would reverse the signal to all of the drivers. I know he thinks he heard a difference, but there's no scientific basis for that (since there are hundreds of phase reversals along the recording chain). I'm pretty confident in saying that such an absolute reversal would have no effect on the sound. The only phase reversal that could have the claimed effect would be between the bass driver and the midrange. If Nuance connected the midrange and tweeter in direct polarity--i.e. he lined up the positive banana plugs from the mid and tweet to the positive input terminals on the top of the bass unit--then he did his job. If there's a problem with the sound of the Phil 2's, then I take full responsibility for it. I would like to get the speakers back so I could check everything. I know they left the Wehawken Studios in mint condition, and arrived with damage to the rear top, so I have to wonder what kind of games Fed Ex might have played. But if everything checks out, I will certainly report that.
post #979 of 1777
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

I think Fsimms is confusing absolute phase reverals with reversals between individual drivers. If he simply reversed the phase switch on his preamp, that would reverse the signal to all of the drivers. I know he thinks he heard a difference, but there's no scientific basis for that (since there are hundreds of phase reversals along the recording chain). I'm pretty confident in saying that such an absolute reversal would have no effect on the sound. The only phase reversal that could have the claimed effect would be between the bass driver and the midrange. If Nuance connected the midrange and tweeter in direct polarity--i.e. he lined up the positive banana plugs from the mid and tweet to the positive input terminals on the top of the bass unit--then he did his job. If there's a problem with the sound of the Phil 2's, then I take full responsibility for it. I would like to get the speakers back so I could check everything. I know they left the Wehawken Studios in mint condition, and arrived with damage to the rear top, so I have to wonder what kind of games Fed Ex might have played. But if everything checks out, I will certaily report that.

To the disrespectful poster who questioned your integrity (ie paying Nuance to push your speakers), your post speaks volumes about your honesty and integrity.

I don't care what some say about you, Dennis, you are A-OK in my book.

PS- On a completely unrelated note, how about an updated picture of Ben. I bet he grew up to be one handsome dog.
post #980 of 1777
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

I think Fsimms is confusing absolute phase reverals with reversals between individual drivers. If he simply reversed the phase switch on his preamp, that would reverse the signal to all of the drivers. I know he thinks he heard a difference, but there's no scientific basis for that (since there are hundreds of phase reversals along the recording chain). I'm pretty confident in saying that such an absolute reversal would have no effect on the sound. The only phase reversal that could have the claimed effect would be between the bass driver and the midrange. If Nuance connected the midrange and tweeter in direct polarity--i.e. he lined up the positive banana plugs from the mid and tweet to the positive input terminals on the top of the bass unit--then he did his job. If there's a problem with the sound of the Phil 2's, then I take full responsibility for it. I would like to get the speakers back so I could check everything. I know they left the Wehawken Studios in mint condition, and arrived with damage to the rear top, so I have to wonder what kind of games Fed Ex might have played. But if everything checks out, I will certaily report that.



Nuance and I inadvertently did wire ALL the drivers backwards at first when we listened to them last week Tuesday at his place. You can blame that on us for being a couple of wide-eyed kids at Christmas. There is nothing better than new audio gear. Nonetheless, we discovered the issue and corrected it. I also do not believe the change in sound was much of anything, but Nuance may feel differently.

I have experimented with the whole absolute phase thing many times. I agree that *IF* you hear a difference, it is VERY small. For me, with the right track, switching absolute phase can shift the singer forward and back slightly. I cannot say that there was any other noticeable change in the sound, and either setting takes seconds to become completely "normal."

Absolute phase is a complex subject. If you do some searching, the subject can be much better understood.
post #981 of 1777
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Originally Posted by Saturn94 View Post

To the disrespectful poster who questioned your integrity (ie paying Nuance to push your speakers), your post speaks volumes about your honesty and integrity.

I don't care what some say about you, Dennis, you are A-OK in my book.

PS- On a completely unrelated note, how about an updated picture of Ben. I bet he grew up to be one handsome dog.

Well, you can judge for youself.
LL
post #982 of 1777
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

I think Fsimms is confusing absolute phase reverals with reversals between individual drivers. If he simply reversed the phase switch on his preamp, that would reverse the signal to all of the drivers. I know he thinks he heard a difference, but there's no scientific basis for that (since there are hundreds of phase reversals along the recording chain). I'm pretty confident in saying that such an absolute reversal would have no effect on the sound. The only phase reversal that could have the claimed effect would be between the bass driver and the midrange. If Nuance connected the midrange and tweeter in direct polarity--i.e. he lined up the positive banana plugs from the mid and tweet to the positive input terminals on the top of the bass unit--then he did his job. If there's a problem with the sound of the Phil 2's, then I take full responsibility for it. I would like to get the speakers back so I could check everything. I know they left the Wehawken Studios in mint condition, and arrived with damage to the rear top, so I have to wonder what kind of games Fed Ex might have played. But if everything checks out, I will certaily report that.

See I told you Dennis didn't believe me.

Dennis, I know it is impossible. I have a Masters degree in Physics. The only rub is reality. Play It's a Wonderful World and reverse the phase and tell me that you could hear no difference. Reality is a tough nut to crack.

I know it is impossible.

I know it is impossible..

I know it is impossible..

Bob
post #983 of 1777
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Originally Posted by Saturn94 View Post

To the disrespectful poster who questioned your integrity (ie paying Nuance to push your speakers), your post speaks volumes about your honesty and integrity.

I don't care what some say about you, Dennis, you are A-OK in my book.

PS- On a completely unrelated note, how about an updated picture of Ben. I bet he grew up to be one handsome dog.

I've known Dennis over ten years and I wouldn't expect him to pay off anyone; in fact, I sent a PM to the AVS poster concerning this. That kind of thing does happen though and you cannot blame the guy for being skeptical based a few posts that were over the top.
post #984 of 1777
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Originally Posted by TJHUB View Post

Nuance and I inadvertently did wire ALL the drivers backwards at first when we listened to them last week Tuesday at his place. You can blame that on us for being a couple of wide-eyed kids at Christmas. There is nothing better than new audio gear. Nonetheless, we discovered the issue and corrected it. I also do not believe the change in sound was much of anything, but Nuance may feel differently.

I have experimented with the whole absolute phase thing many times. I agree that *IF* you hear a difference, it is VERY small. For me, with the right track, switching absolute phase can shift the singer forward and back slightly. I cannot say that there was any other noticeable change in the sound, and either setting takes seconds to become completely "normal."

Absolute phase is a complex subject. If you do some searching, the subject can be much better understood.


I have only noticed it with the Philharmonic speakers and to a lesser extent with my own SoundScapes. I guess the Phils are different.

When I listened to Louis, I was shocked at how poorly it sounded. It was no small matter. The song sounded very distorted. Reversing the phase fixed it.

I know it is impossible.

I know it is impossible.

Bob

PS If one has a Philharmonic my comments can be easily checked.
post #985 of 1777
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Originally Posted by Rick Craig View Post

I've known Dennis over ten years and I wouldn't expect him to pay off anyone; in fact, I sent a PM to the AVS poster concerning this. That kind of thing does happen though and you cannot blame the guy for being skeptical based a few posts that were over the top.

I can also understand someone being skeptical, but personally I would have checked the post history of the person in question before posting something that could hurt someone's reputation.

Looking at that poster's recent posts, it really comes across that he has some ax to grind with Jim, Dennis, and Brandon, though I have absolutely no clue what that might be.
post #986 of 1777
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Originally Posted by Dennis Murphy View Post

Well, you can judge for youself.

Thanks Dennis. Great picture.

I hope you and Ben are doing well.

So, since Nethawk lives at the end of the earth and cannot host the first Mid Atlantic GTG, what can we do to con........uh, persuade you into hosting?

I'd offer, but my place is a bit small so would have to severely limit the guest list.

To keep on topic, I'm enjoying the pictures and comments from those who attended the SE WI GTG. I would loved to have been there. Perhaps next year, if Nuance will include me on the guest list (lol).
post #987 of 1777
Awesome thread!
Sounds like this GTG was a lot of fun!! The few feedback that was already posted seems great, well thought out and nicely worded. Looking forward to everyone else's input.
Great work guys and gals

I had a couple of questions and I apologize if any of this has already been mentioned before.

Was there any room correction EQ applied (ie Audyssey) before any listening tests?

Also were there any REW or other measurements done to show each speakers in room response?

Finally, was everyone sitting in the same location during these tests like the KC sub tests?

Just curious and thanks again!
post #988 of 1777
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Originally Posted by Rick Craig View Post

I've known Dennis over ten years and I wouldn't expect him to pay off anyone; in fact, I sent a PM to the AVS poster concerning this. That kind of thing does happen though and you cannot blame the guy for being skeptical based a few posts that were over the top.

Like what?

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Originally Posted by Saturn94 View Post


Looking at that poster's recent posts, it really comes across that he has some ax to grind with Jim, Dennis, and Brandon, though I have absolutely no clue what that might be.

You and me both man.

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Originally Posted by Bunga99 View Post

Awesome thread!
Sounds like this GTG was a lot of fun!! The few feedback that was already posted seems great, well thought out and nicely worded. Looking forward to everyone else's input.
Great work guys and gals

I had a couple of questions and I apologize if any of this has already been mentioned before.

Was there any room correction EQ applied (ie Audyssey) before any listening tests?

Also were there any REW or other measurements done to show each speakers in room response?

Finally, was everyone sitting in the same location during these tests like the KC sub tests?

Just curious and thanks again!

No room correction at all was applied. Jonathan had REW (or some measurement software) running, but no in-room measurements were taken. Terry can post his in-room measurements if he so chooses, though. Said measurements were taken with his speakers in the exact same spot that the rest of the speakers were placed in yesterday (including his own pair). Finally, we rotated seating positions quite a bit so everyone had a chance at the sweet spot. I think we kind of migrated back to where we were once we had a bit of time in the "sweet spot" area, though. I hope that helps.

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Originally Posted by Saturn94 View Post

Perhaps next year, if Nuance will include me on the guest list (lol).

That's a no brainer, buddy; you're in for sure.
post #989 of 1777
Keep those impressions coming folks! I'd love to see some more tomorrow, but until then, good night.
post #990 of 1777
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Originally Posted by Mrs. Nuance View Post

These are my impressions - Brandon told me I had to be "nice" but honest at the same time. I will try my best because I don't want to offend Brandon's friends, but I also don't want to lie. He requested I go in the order that we listened to the speakers, which was by price class starting with the cheapest first. He asked that I mention that the PSB's didn't make it to the get together. All of the guys were very nice to me even though I am a female and a "novice" at this. Terry did a great job as host, and I actually enjoyed the event. When the first pair of speakers fired up it was like watching grown men transformed into little boys opening their first gift on Christmas morning. You could tell these folks really love their speakers.

Philharmonic 2:

My husband made me spend way too much time listening to these before the get together. At our house imaging was good but the vocals were lacking. I felt like they were either pushed way back in the stage or it sounded like they were drowned out by other instruments. My husband says this may have had to do with the open back design. We tried various stuffing configurations and the vocals still sounded recessed. I heard a bass peak and Brandon tried to correct it with REW and filters but it didn't go away. He showed me it was around 100Hz, but the other frequencies measured pretty flat. Moving on to the get together, they still sounded like they had the bass peak. The sound stage was wider, but that is probably because Terry has a bigger and better room. The vocals didn't change and were still quietly in the background compared to everything else. There was no depth and feeling with the vocals, and it sounded more like a studio recording than an intimate setting. I like the tweeter - it doesn't give me a headache. I was unimpressed with the quality of the cabinets. I honestly had a higher expectations because my husband talks up Dennis Murphy who makes the crossovers for Salk speakers. I don't think anything was wrong with the crossover, but I expected the quality of his speaker to match Jim Salk's and it did not. These were my second least favorite speakers.

Salk SongTower:

The second speaker was ours (SongTower's), which I love, of course. Nothing beats them in this price range that I've heard. I liked the bass in ours, although at home we have more bass because we pair them with subwoofers. It wasn't bad bass in Terry's home (actually better than I expected), but small bass drivers can only do so much (so I am told). I liked the tweeter because it didn't give me a headache. I think certain tweeters give women headaches, but ours doesn't. The vocals really come in a grasp you; it's like an intimate setting with the artist right there with you. The instruments are well placed throughout the room. My husband says "you are clearly bias," but I just think they are a super awesome speaker. The cabinetry is just beautiful, especially the high gloss. The SongTower's are tied for second best with Terry's speakers because we use subwoofers at home which makes up for the difference in bass.

Ascend Sierra Tower:

I really liked the slimness of the tower and the look of the high gloss. I was interested in hearing these speakers because they cost the same as our SongTower's and because they were owned by a man with the same name as my husband (nice jeans - haha). The speakers had more midrange presence than the Philharmonic speakers but less than I am used to. It didn't engage me and it was just "there." The bass was good but I would have paired them with subs. The tweeter was brighter than ours but didn't give me a headache. These speakers just felt laid back and were in the middle of the pack, tied with Mark Seaton's for third best.

JTR Tripple 12:

I didn't care for the look of this speaker. These speakers sounded louder than the others even though they were level matched. My husband explained why that is, but I don't know how to explain it; something about them not reaching as low and how that affected the pink noise signal used to level match each speaker. The tweeter was too high pitched with cymbals, and the female vocals were too screechy, like nails on a chalk board. I think women are more sensitive in this region, so I understand why men might like it. I actually left the room during this listening session. I mean no offense to the designer; he seemed nice. With that said, these were my least favorite speaker.

Salk HT2 TL:

I wouldn't say they were much different than ours but obviously there was more bass; they could probably be used without a subwoofer. Perhaps the soundstage was a tad wider - maybe - but very similar to ours (SongTower's). The cabinetry work was done very well and had a nice smoked look to it. These were tied for second place with the SongTower's - I liked them very much.

Seaton Catalyst:

Patrick, you will love these speakers, even if they aren't in your bedroom (haha, you won't be able to ask people to get into your bed and hear them). I didn't care for the looks and the wood was too grainy, even under the black paint. These speakers had very nice bass, something that I appreciate because I like bass (Brandon says more bass than him). You could really feel it, and it was immersive. These speakers also got really loud (Brandon calls it dynamics), but I don't like the tweeter. The cymbals were too edgy again, but not as bad as the JTR's. The vocals were good except in the higher midrange frequency when they could sound too high pitched. The Catalysts would be great speakers for Home Theater. These were tied for third with the Ascend Towers.

Salk SoundScape:

My favorite! The only bad thing I really have to say is I don't care for the shape/look of the cabinetry; looks like a temple. They look better in person than in pictures, though, and grew on me a little. With that said the build quality was excellent and the wood veneer was really cool. The sound was smooth without losing detail; everything flowed, nothing was strained and you could close your eyes and feel like you were right there. It didn't sound like speakers were playing, but instead sounded like the artists and instruments were just there in the room. I know there was a defective midrange driver, but I didn't really notice. The bass was really good and flowed into the midrange, which in turn flowed into the tweeter. Everything was proportionate to what it should be. This is why they were my favorite speakers. We will probably never own them, though, due to their price.

I had fun at the get together, and being there you really notice the affect a room has on a speaker (they sounded different than in our home). I think it is good to know how the speaker you want sounds in your house, but this comparison will at least help you to know if you do like the basic sound of each speaker. Perhaps you'll see me again in the future...perhaps...maybe. Thank you.


Thank you, Mrs. Nuance for your review. Nice write-up. You wrote what I wanted to read.. Read more, and you'll understand!! :-)

One question up front. Does your SongTowers have a glossy finish? They look absolutely stunning.

My SongTowers are being made as I type this. (Not literally though :-)) This forum has been really really helpful. I also did exchange some PMs with Nuance and funkmonkey!

I read Nuance's and funkmonkey's speaker quest, and was really intrigued. My speaker quest was not even close. But, thought would write a note here:

I started off with a very small budget of $1500. I was thinking (not sure in which world) that I'll get some very good speakers for that money. And this is what I thought:
1. The more number of drivers, the better..
2. Two-way..? No way. I want at least a 3-way design.
3. Though I'm from Asia, I wanted an American made speaker. (For whatever reason it may be).

I *think* it was Nuance who suggested SongTowers first. I looked at the website and said, "No way..". I'll buy bigger speakers with more drivers for the same money.. :-)

I looked around, auditioned some speakers in my price range.. Paradigm Monitors, B&W 600 series, Revel F12s, Kef Q series, Dynaudios, Monitor Audios... Somehow, I did not find what I was looking for. Even some more expensive speakers, Paradigm Studio 60s, B&W CM8s didn't cut it...

I almost gave up, and thought, what the heck, let me get a good deal on Paradigm Monitors, and put an end to the misery (aka quest). (It was only a couple of months).

Then, one day, the unexpected happened. When I was almost talking to the dealer about loading the Paradigm Monitors in my car (literally), I saw 2 small speakers (relatively). They were the Totem Arros and the Totem Hawks.. For the heck of it, I asked the dealer to demo them for me..
And it was like, "Wow", this is probably what I want my speakers to sound like. The Hawks were out of my budget, but the Arros weren't.

But, the important thing is, my base rules were not true anymore.
1. Good speakers need not have a lot of drivers.
2. For the price I was looking, buying a real 3-way speaker is close to impossible.
3. There is more to speaker design than bigger drivers.

Then, I spent one week reading up Nuance and FunkMonkey's entire posts, and sent them PMs. Nuance suggested (only suggested) Phil 2s as they are within my budget with the RAALs.
At that point, I had narrowed down my selection list to:
1. Salk STs with dome.
2. Phil 2s (w/ RAAL).
3. Sierra towers with Nrt.

I had to pick one out without listening. I was not sure if I'll like the looks of the Phils in my living room. Also, I thought I'll be blessed with Dennis's magic anyway even with Salk STs.

I read every post in the Internet (I mean it, really) on the Salk SongTowers. I read nothing but good things. And then I decided to send Jim an email. And that was it. There was no looking back...

When I read about the GTG, all I was hoping for was folks saying that the Salk STs sound atleast as good as Sierra Towers and Phil 2s if not better :-)
I know the other speakers are out of my budget, and it is more academic interest only...

When Mrs. Nuance ranked Salk STs number 2, I felt really vindicated.

Now, I'm waiting for my Salk SongTowers. It is with the OW2 and not RAAL... But, I have this feeling that I'll like them.

Thanks Nuance, and FunkMonkey. Wish me good luck with my Salk SongTowers.. :-)
Thanks for reading my rant, if anyone made it this far...!

Thanks.
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