2012 F1 in HDTV - Page 15  

So start one.

Again Maldonado causing trouble, this time takes Perez out, fined for $10K, I don't know what's wrong with him

Kobayashi had it worst though, running over 3 crewman.....

F1 has a history of "rewarding" behavior like that (see Schumacher).

Probably was fiddling with the buttons on his steering wheel....

Not until Maldonado pulls a Simoncelli.

I couldn't believe what Kobayashi did. It was inexcusable. The guy may need to find a new way to make a living. It's no wonder he has yet to win a Formula One race. Sheesh!

He is not the first to do that.
I can't recall who it was, but I have seen it before.

It appeared to me that it looked as though Kobayashi was "pumping the brake pedal" trying to get it to stop!

What die on the track? Is that what you are trying to convey?That's not cool if that's what you're implying? I'm happen to be friends with Colin Edwards dad and we talked about the crash the day after it happened, GP motorcycles are not F-1 cars with carbon fibre wrapped monocoques.Can you clarify please? I'll start a thread since no one else has but there seems to be fans on here.

The first race I missed all year and people are getting run over in the pits. Geesh. I always miss the good stuff.

No, die on the track without taking anyone with him, which luckily Simoncelli didn't. There's nothing "cool" about putting other people's lives at risk because you're a self-justifying moron (the moron here is Maldonado.) He got a lot of press for his latest bump and run, but no one seems to notice that he ran two others off the track at the same race (Silverstone.) His rationale afterward was to say he made a mistake while defending his position - BS, you don't initiate a defensive maneuver in the middle of a corner. He's a hazard, everyone knows it, and if he kills himself without hurting anyone else, good.

I stopped watching F1 back in like '05 it just got really crazy and it seemed like everything else was on speed but F1 or WRC when it was still on Speed.

Okay, sorry I haven't logged in for a while, I know I'm responding to an old comment.

IMO you'll NEVER see a live race on FOX again.

Not after all the wasted time from Canada 2011, when everyone stood around for hours waiting for the rain to end, and "dozens" of F1 fanatics all around the country were glued to their seats. Anyone know what the ratings were? Perhaps 0.1?

BTW I'm glad there are 4 races on FOX. I'm too cheap to pay Comcast the extra $10/mo they want for Speed TV (actually for the entire sports package, but I already get most of the other channels because of the tier I'm already on).

The problem (for me) with Fox is that they skip the pre-race, podium and post race interviews. These are carried on Speed and add some insight to each race and the season.

They have pre and post race shows on Speed for the Fox broadcasts, you're not missing anything. Check your guide.

Thanks, I am aware of this, but it is just a minor nuisance to set multiple recordings, on the DVR, when Speed shows it all at once when they present the race.

Apparently, DirecTV has a satellite out and the Fox broadcast failed to record this morning.
However, it appears the broadcast will be repeated tonite on SPEED at 6:00 PST.

Alonso ran another good race. Button showed something and might have won if he hadn't flat spotted his tire.

In the next month or so, the silly season will ignite. I wonder who will end up at Ferrari.

Over at dbstalk they were saying that about the last race - I checked for Germany and had to manually set it. Sorry, I should have posted here about it.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

If they keep Massa, I would be stunned.
Kubica or Perez...IMO.


Wow....interesting....
Why the penalty?

He drove off the course to make a pass.

Yeah, I read about it this morning.

Also, Bernie wasn't in Germany for the race....apparently out of fear of being arrested.

A fact that Button didn't overlook and was immediately on his radio to the team which stated the FIA was aware of it. I noticed in this race with the "new rule" in effect there were no Maldonado type incidents!

I don't know if anyone has been following the 20(?) Greatest Drivers Countdown on F1 Debrief.

We are down to about 8 drivers, to be revealed on later shows.
Some big names haven't come up yet: Senna, Clark, Schumacher, Alonso, Prost, Fangio.....

Anyone care to do some ranking?
Sorry, I don't have a link to the previous drivers named.

I kind of skip through Debrfief - just saw the driver thing for the first time this week. Didn't they say it was fan voting? Usually when they do something like this, fan voting is a part, but not all of it.

Whatever, I got to wondering if Fangio still had the highest winning percentage, and he does

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Formula_One_driver_records#Percentage_wins

My personal favorite driver is Lauda (I'm of Austrian decent - 2nd generation born.) Best I've seen on a given day was Piquet. Best for a season was Mansell. Most impressed I've been by a new guy is Vettel (I'm thrilled that he doesn't seem to be as big a jerk on track as Senna and Schumacher.) Best ever ... I'll go with either Clark or Fangio.

46%....that's just incredible.

I applaud you for calling out Senna and to a lesser extent Schumi. I don't think it is recognized enough especially by the casual fans that Senna ushered in the age overaggressive driving. The "I will make the move and either you back off or we both wreck" was something I was disappointed to see come into F1. Of course, Schumi took it to new heights, but at least people realize it.

That being said, I might give Senna the award for best on any given day and Prost the best for a season. As for Clark or Fangio, they were both great at least from what I have read. I know Maurice Hamilton said that Clark was great, but it was with Colin and Lotus. I am not knocking Fangio, but did he really have that much competition.


Oh and since your Austrian, I guess you will give the Best player in F1 award to Berger.

I got into F1 in the mid 1990s and didn't get a chance to see Senna race....
It seems odd to me that someone who was an amazing qualifier would find it good tactics to knock another racer off the track (excluding the Prost incident).

I would urge any F1 fan that hasn't seen the Senna documentary movie to watch it asap. One of the better documentaries I have seen in a long time. My thoughts on it from a year ago or so from another site

As a matter of fact, I have seen the movie "Senna."
And I agree....terrific stuff.

I would like to see some of his (and other legends) races in their entireties, but I don't know where they might be available.
Edited by oink - 7/24/12 at 12:14am

Senna just enraged me - he had surreal skill, I saw him (on TV) lap the FIELD in the rain at, I'll say Portugal in maybe '85, so to pull the crap he did was just so disappointing. A lot of top competitors in various sports have more of a refusal to lose than a will to win - Michael Jordan was like that for instance. One thing he was known for was brake-checking at corner exit ... inexcusable. Then he would just shrug if asked about it.

Yeah, that let me through or we crash thing is just bush league, but the first top guy I remember using it a lot was Andretti. There was a famous incident where he tried it with someone, can't remember who, and the guy said okay, we crash Andretti never took responsibility for it, and went so far as to rationalize it publicly by saying he had done the same thing with Lauda in an earlier race and it worked. Lauda was his excuse! Jerk ...

I got interested in F1 at a young age, and the local paper covered it, so I followed Clark in his last few years. To do what he did with the equipment and danger of the day means something to me. I saw Fangio drive the Mercedes at the inaugural Long Beach race. Anyone who can drive that well at that age must have been pretty good I figure I was sitting on the front straight for the "race," about a third of the way down from the entry corner. He messed up his shifts the first lap, got a little better the next few, and by the third or fourth he was perfect from then on. I was 20, and just thrilled to be at my first (and still only) F1 race. I started to tear up as the laps wore on, it was so amazing to me to see these guys on a track in their original cars. Being a kid I was embarrassed to be crying in public like that, so I kind of sneaked a peak at the older guy, late 50s, Ferrari jacket, next to me and he was crying too Pretty cool, little life lesson.

If the above wasn't clear, the inaugural Long Beach Grand Prix was a big deal obviously, and they had a "race" with a bunch of older F1 drivers, mostly in their original cars. It's where Gurney famously apologized to Fangio for passing him.


A lot of his poles (I'm assuming, haven't looked it up) were in the Lotus, which used the Renault turbo, the best of the turbos IIRC. So you got Senna, with the best of the turbo motors. Mansell hated him I would say, and they had many 1st lap issues - rock, meet hard place. Didn't play well together at all. Once I thought Mansell might actually put him in the hospital after the race.