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post #481 of 789
And a 10 grid place penalty for Maldonado. What a putz.
post #482 of 789
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Another great race...too bad about all those guys becoming DNF on the first corner, but that's racing.
BTW, the instigator of the crash (Grosjean) has been banned from the next race and the 3rd driver will be brought in.



A 50,000 euro fine doesn't hurt either! He deserves it for that dumb maneuver.
post #483 of 789
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Another great race...too bad about all those guys becoming DNF on the first corner, but that's racing..

Spa was proof that the starts in F1 are the most heart stopping moments in sports. I was relieved that nobody got hurt or worse. That start, with all those drivers going over, under. and through each other, was nuts, but then F1 drivers are nuts.wink.gif After the start, though, the rest of the race was almost sedate: the pole sitter Jenson Button, won the race. Not only that, he led from wire to wire.
post #484 of 789
I think all the mess started with stupid move by Maldonado, the confused Grosjean panicked and crashed Hamilton.

I don't know man, another one by Maldonado, what's up with him?
post #485 of 789
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Originally Posted by DrLar View Post

I think all the mess started with stupid move by Maldonado, the confused Grosjean panicked and crashed Hamilton.
I don't know man, another one by Maldonado, what's up with him?

It's actually another two - jumping the start (you can clearly see it if you have it recorded from the high camera shot - the front view they were using in replay later didn't show the forward movement, just the turn out of line) and a few laps later he rammed another car. The 10 place penalty is split for those two.
post #486 of 789
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Originally Posted by DrLar View Post

I think all the mess started with stupid move by Maldonado, the confused Grosjean panicked and crashed Hamilton.
It wasn't the jump start (Maldonado started 6, Grosjean 9).
IMO, Grosjean just squeezed Hamilton too tight and touched a wheel.

I don't know why some of these guys try to win the race on the first corner....rolleyes.gif
post #487 of 789
Um, maybe because they know the leader at the beginning usually wins the race? Biggest issue with F1 racing, IMO - once you get past the first lap it's often a snoozer.
post #488 of 789
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

It wasn't the jump start (Maldonado started 6, Grosjean 9).
IMO, Grosjean just squeezed Hamilton too tight and touched a wheel.
I don't know why some of these guys try to win the race on the first corner....rolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by slowbiscuit View Post

Um, maybe because they know the leader at the beginning usually wins the race? Biggest issue with F1 racing, IMO - once you get past the first lap it's often a snoozer.

I think what oink meant was that F1 drivers do insane things at the start, which are much crazier than we usually see later. I agree with you that the driver who is in the lead off the line usually wins the race. Still, we always see more crazy stuff happen between the starting grid and the first corner than we see for the rest of the race.
post #489 of 789
And that's a nasty first turn, very slow, and of course you're penalized if you improve your position after putting 4 off. Imagine the dynamics - initiating whatever launch technique they use in a modern F1 car, then a few seconds later having to almost stop the whole thing, a complete reversal. If they moved the start forward, then first corner would be Eau Rouge eek.gif
post #490 of 789
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

I think what oink meant was that F1 drivers do insane things at the start, which are much crazier than we usually see later. I agree with you that the driver who is in the lead off the line usually wins the race. Still, we always see more crazy stuff happen between the starting grid
Exactly.

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the first corner than we see for the rest of the race.
I don't know what the statistics are for that, but I would be interested in the number.

For me, F1 is much more about the action behind the leader...there are always terrific battles going on back thru the pack.
And especially this year with a handful or so former champions fighting each other.smile.gif

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Originally Posted by fjames View Post

If they moved the start forward, then first corner would be Eau Rouge eek.gif
I couldn't even imagine the resulting mess.
Eau Rouge and the Corkscrew at Laguna are the most thrilling stretches in motor racing....always breathtaking to see.

BTW, there is a report of Hamilton going to Mercedes for 2013, with Schumacher retiring again.
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-report-lewis-hamilton-to-join-mercedes-in-2013/

As good a driver he is, it would be stupid for Mercedes or any top team to hire him.

The Infant Terrible has gone too far this time:
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-rival-teams-to-study-lewis-hamilton-telemetry-horner/
post #491 of 789
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

As good a driver he is, it would be stupid for Mercedes or any top team to hire him.

Where Hamilton might be next season is one of the more interesting stories for me this year. What does McLaren do? I wouldn't want him driving my car, but they have always run co-#1 drivers and there aren't any really available unless they agree to a swap with Ferrari or RBR, and that's not going to happen. But at the same time, like you say, who would want him? I think, in terms of team dynamics and "human" resources, Hamilton has probably been a drag on the team - if they could have concentrated on Button the last few years, with someone like Perez as "lesser among equals" second driver, the team might have benefited.

Just when I thought he was finally maturing, he starts with the childishness again. He's such a brilliant driver when he's on, it's very frustrating to watch him self-destruct, which he may be doing now.
post #492 of 789
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

As good a driver he [Leonard Hamilton] is, it would be stupid for Mercedes or any top team to hire him.
The Infant Terrible has gone too far this time:
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-rival-teams-to-study-lewis-hamilton-telemetry-horner/

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Originally Posted by fjames View Post

Just when I thought he [Leonard Hamilton] was finally maturing, he starts with the childishness again. He's such a brilliant driver when he's on, it's very frustrating to watch him self-destruct, which he may be doing now.

I believe that calling just about any successful young F1 driver an Infant Terrible is an oxymoron.smile.gif Although my comment was made with my tongue on my cheek, it seems to me it's not that big an overstatement. Not that any F1 driver is totally sane, but Hamilton seems to have shown himself to be particularly deranged.
post #493 of 789
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

I think what oink meant was that F1 drivers do insane things at the start, which are much crazier than we usually see later. I agree with you that the driver who is in the lead off the line usually wins the race. Still, we always see more crazy stuff happen between the starting grid and the first corner than we see for the rest of the race.
But that's why they try to pull all these crazy stunts at the first corner, so they can get the lead and (usually) keep it.
post #494 of 789
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Originally Posted by fjames View Post

Where Hamilton might be next season is one of the more interesting stories for me this year. What does McLaren do? I wouldn't want him driving my car, but they have always run co-#1 drivers and there aren't any really available unless they agree to a swap with Ferrari or RBR, and that's not going to happen. But at the same time, like you say, who would want him? I think, in terms of team dynamics and "human" resources, Hamilton has probably been a drag on the team - if they could have concentrated on Button the last few years, with someone like Perez as "lesser among equals" second driver, the team might have benefited.
Just when I thought he was finally maturing, he starts with the childishness again. He's such a brilliant driver when he's on, it's very frustrating to watch him self-destruct, which he may be doing now.
I think McLarens are so good year after year they could probably find a driver somewhere who is good enough.
Perez, Hulkenberg, Sutil, and some others likely could fill the bill.

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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

I believe that calling just about any successful young F1 driver an Infant Terrible is an oxymoron.smile.gif Although my comment was made with my tongue on my cheek, it seems to me it's not that big an overstatement. Not that any F1 driver is totally sane, but Hamilton seems to have shown himself to be particularly deranged.
My take is that he was so pampered, he never grew-up and now is unmanagable.
post #495 of 789
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

I think McLarens are so good year after year they could probably find a driver somewhere who is good enough.
Perez, Hulkenberg, Sutil, and some others likely could fill the bill.
My take is that he was so pampered, he never grew-up and now is unmanagable.

He was groomed by Ron Dennis, from childhood, to drive F1. This is probably what has made him a "spoiled child." He did not need to come up from a "backmarker" team to prove himself. Look at where Schumacher, Button and Senna began their F1 careers. Also look at the way Alonso (Ferrari) or Schumacher (when with Benetton) can compete with what is not the most competitive car on the track. I don't see this from Hamilton.
post #496 of 789
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Originally Posted by gprace View Post

He was groomed by Ron Dennis, from childhood, to drive F1. This is probably what has made him a "spoiled child." He did not need to come up from a "backmarker" team to prove himself. Look at where Schumacher, Button and Senna began their F1 careers. Also look at the way Alonso (Ferrari) or Schumacher (when with Benetton) can compete with what is not the most competitive car on the track. I don't see this from Hamilton.
After this last incident, I would imagine the factory and team engineers want his head on silver platter for giving away McLaren knowledge won by their hard work they have done this year.
I know I would feel that way....
post #497 of 789
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

After this last incident, I would imagine the factory and team engineers want his head on silver platter for giving away McLaren knowledge won by their hard work they have done this year.
I know I would feel that way....


During todays Italian GP the Speed announcers kept talking about the strong possibility McLaren is tired of Lewis and might cast him off. I wonder if they still feel that way after the race today? In any case Hamilton showed some motivation he seems to have lacked recently. He has the talent, it seems like he needs a kick in the ass to utilize it. OTOH, if I was dating a model, I probably would be distracted too!
post #498 of 789
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Originally Posted by ti-triodes View Post

During todays Italian GP the Speed announcers kept talking about the strong possibility McLaren is tired of Lewis and might cast him off. I wonder if they still feel that way after the race today?
No team can afford to pin their entire future on someone too immature or dumb or out of control to play the game of F1 Driver.
Certainly McLaren won't....they are a multi-billion dollar business with decades of success and excellence at the highest levels of motorsports.

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In any case Hamilton showed some motivation he seems to have lacked recently. He has the talent, it seems like he needs a kick in the ass to utilize it.
And that is the problem.
In spite of his own obvious great talent, he is his own worst enemy.

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OTOH, if I was dating a model, I probably would be distracted too!
If that is his problem, he is a frickin' an idiot.
With his $$$ and fame, he could have a bed full of 'em every morning, noon, and night.biggrin.gif
post #499 of 789
One man's opinion. I suspect McLaren is ready to dismiss Hamilton as there is other talent out there. Hamilton was not showing the attitude of a race winner on the podium or during the interview with Lauda. Also, I think if you watch carefully, you will see that he was directed to his team waiting at the fence, because it looked like he was going directly to the podium without the usual handshakes and team hugs.
post #500 of 789
So who's the bigger brat, Hamilton or Kyle Busch? Both are very talented, both have constant issues.
post #501 of 789
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Originally Posted by slowbiscuit View Post

So who's the bigger brat, Hamilton or Kyle Busch? Both are very talented, both have constant issues.

SPEED should do a special, "Race Brats Car Swap"
post #502 of 789
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Originally Posted by gprace View Post

Hamilton was not showing the attitude of a race winner on the podium or during the interview with Lauda.




No kidding. Didn't anyone ever tell Lewis he shouldn't be yakking when they were playing his national anthem? rolleyes.gif
post #503 of 789
Assuming this is accurate, and assuming Mercedes are able to win in 2013, he will need to learn to keep his mouth shut for TWO anthems.

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2012/09/hamilton-set-to-move-to-mercedes/
post #504 of 789
If Hamilton goes to Mercedes, Schumaker retires, and Perez goes to Ferrari, that leaves a loose driver in Massa. "They" say Di Resta is in line for McLaren, but I'd love to see Massa in Hamilton's old seat smile.gif

An answer to the obvious bad feelings publicly displayed recently at Monza - Jenson has made it clear he's no longer second among equals and will not follow team orders. The team agrees apparently.
post #505 of 789
I think Perez could finally win in a Ferrari and even be a championship contender in the future...
post #506 of 789
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Originally Posted by DrLar View Post

I think Perez could finally win in a Ferrari and even be a championship contender in the future...
And Ferrai can court the Mexican drug cartels as a sponsor if they lose Marlboro. tongue.gif
post #507 of 789
Naahh, he's currently sponsored by Telmex, that's the company of the RICHEST man on Earth, Carlos Slim...

Even with his billions he couldn't place the Mexican on the main Ferrari team, at least Sergio has demonstrated he has talent and maybe next year he could be there..
post #508 of 789
Regarding Perez at Ferrari next year I think that's one reason Felipe Massa stepped up his game at Monza.The Sauber team deserves a lot of credit. He is good at saving his tires for long stints,remember he almost caught and passed Alonso but made a mistake under heavy braking.
post #509 of 789
According to Ferrari President Luca di Montezemolo, Perez is not ready to drive for Ferrari. Of course this may just be the usual denial before the fact.




http://www.planetf1.com/driver/3213/8073839/-Perez-not-ready-for-Ferrari-move-
post #510 of 789
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Originally Posted by DrLar View Post

I think Perez could finally win in a Ferrari and even be a championship contender in the future...
Agreed....but can he play nice with Alonso?

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Originally Posted by ti-triodes View Post

According to Ferrari President Luca di Montezemolo, Perez is not ready to drive for Ferrari. Of course this may just be the usual denial before the fact.
Montezemelo is something of a politician....wink.gif
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