or Connect
AVS › AVS Forum › News Forum › Community News & Polls › Starz to Delay Release of Shows on Netflix
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Starz to Delay Release of Shows on Netflix

post #1 of 49
Thread Starter 
Starz to Delay Release of Shows on Netflix


Starz, the pay cable channel, is about to be more restrictive about what it allows Netflix to stream to customers' computers and television sets. The channel has been one of Netflix's closest partners, but it backed off a bit from that partnership on Thursday, when it announced a three-month delay between the time Starz plays new TV episodes and when those episodes will be available on Netflix. Starz also said that it would impose a similar delay for movies sometime in the future, though Netflix said any such delay of movies would violate the contract between the two companies. The policy shift by Starz, a unit of Liberty Media, reflects an attitude change toward Netflix by many in Hollywood. Though Netflix, which has more than 20 million subscribers, has been embraced by media companies as a new buyer of library content, it is perceived by some of those companies as a competitive threat. Starz, after all, relies on subscriber revenue just as Netflix does. Showtime, a unit of the CBS Corporation, is also expected to place new restrictions on the shows it streams through Netflix later this year. Last week, Netflix said it would enter the original programming business by buying the rights to two seasons of House of Cards, a new political thriller. The show will have its premiere exclusively on Netflix late next year.

For links and more stories visit the new Streaming Media section at HomeToys.com
post #2 of 49
Thread Starter 
Netflix is in the news a lot these days --- good and bad it seems. At first I thought they were making a play to actually become a network:

Last week, Netflix said it would enter the original programming business by buying the rights to two seasons of “House of Cards,” a new political thriller. The show will have its premiere exclusively on Netflix late next year.

And now both Showcase and Starz have cut them off at the knees by only allowing them to stream content after a 3 month delay.

So what do you think --- will Netflix be able to convince everyone that they are not a threat but in fact a good thing? It seems that networks are looking to build their own streaming capabilities rather than turn over the reigns to a third party.

I for one would just like to be able to stream current content whenever I please and am willing to pay for that --- but as usual convenience is an issue and I don't want to have to deal with 14 different software interfaces or devices to do that.

Thoughts?

Bob
post #3 of 49
That sucks as I watch Spartacus on netflix as they have the new episodes a day after the premiere. This move still wont make me subscribe to stars as the service for me cost more then hbo, showtime and cinimax combined. On well It looks the more popular netflix gets the more the big companies turn their back on them or want to charge more for content.
post #4 of 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Hetherington View Post

And now both Showcase and Starz have cut them off at the knees by only allowing them to stream content after a 3 month delay.

So what do you think --- will Netflix be able to convince everyone that they are not a threat but in fact a good thing? It seems that networks are looking to build their own streaming capabilities rather than turn over the reigns to a third party.

Bob

Too little, too late .. NF is the big gorilla right now, the original series acquisition was a shot at the studios, everything on the planet practically has a NF app ..

The studios are making a play for more cash, plain and simple .. NF will either pony it up or not .. I'm guessing not .. and when the studios get their senses back, it will be all good again ..
post #5 of 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

Too little, too late .. NF is the big gorilla right now, the original series acquisition was a shot at the studios, everything on the planet practically has a NF app ..

The studios are making a play for more cash, plain and simple .. NF will either pony it up or not .. I'm guessing not .. and when the studios get their senses back, it will be all good again ..

they are a big threat to the big studios, the only reason they sold content to them was because they weren't a threat before. I think all the major studios will want more money for content and longer delays or just not do deals with netflix altogether. They don't want to give their premium content to someone who can beat them and undercut them with better value. If you owned a burger chain and sold your premium beef patties to a mom and pop store. Now this mom and pop store went out and got the best burgers from all your competition, then open up their own chain of buger shops with the best burgers from all over, then to top it off sell it cheaper then everyone else with lager portions. You and all the other chains would want to put a stop to it buy driving up prices or cutting them off completely. This is what I see happening with netflix, I wonder how things will be in a few years for them.
post #6 of 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by gagit811 View Post

they are a big threat to the big studios, the only reason they sold content to them was because they weren't a threat before. I think all the major studios will want more money for content and longer delays or just not do deals with netflix altogether. They don't want to give their premium content to someone who can beat them and undercut them with better value. If you owned a burger chain and sold your premium beef patties to a mom and pop store. Now this mom and pop store went out and got the best burgers from all your competition, then open up their own chain of buger shops with the best burgers from all over, then to top it off sell it cheaper then everyone else with lager portions. You and all the other chains would want to put a stop to it buy driving up prices or cutting them off completely. This is what I see happening with netflix, I wonder how things will be in a few years for them.

NF has plenty of money, they are the dominant streamer right now and the studios will eventually cave .. the next step for NF is to buy a studio and own it all ..
post #7 of 49
I think at $8 a month, Netflix is a threat. If that doesn't financially support the content owners/studios at a level they're satisfied by, there'll have to be a renegotiation. Naturally, until then, I'd expect both parties to stand by their contractual obligations.

I'm hopeful that the future does away with Netflix, as well as the cable companies, at least for first run TV content. I'd be happier, and probably spend lots of money, getting the programs I want on a per season or per episode basis, directly from the studio - downloaded vs. streaming and ad supported vs. not all to be negotiated. I can't stand the idea of paying anyone a subscription fee to get access to content I have no interest in consuming.

I'll concede that I don't want to manage accounts at more than a half-dozen network websites, but my TV or Boxee or PC could be easily configured to manage that without much of my direct involvement. Since portability is not a major concern for me, I wouldn't be worried about access away from home.

So, I hope that Netflix is successful with their original programming. Maybe they can show Showtime that I would be willing to pay for access to Dexter, Weeds, and United States of Tara a la carte, and they can cut out Comcast in the bargain. (Not to mention Boardwalk Empire, Mad Men, Breaking Bad, Justified, Warehouse 13, Top Chef... and all the others my wife struggles to find on the internet.)

The only catch is: I will insist on discrete multichannel audio and better resolution and bitrates than Netflix has to offer.
post #8 of 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

NF has plenty of money, they are the dominant streamer right now and the studios will eventually cave .. the next step for NF is to buy a studio and own it all ..

true, I think this is where they are headed and the big companies don't like it. Plus its not the best business model to pay more for product but charge less for it, this is what NF is doing right now but only to grow the company and get more subscribers. In the end they will have to raise prices or start showing ads withend the apps or before movies start up somethings has to give.
post #9 of 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by HopefulFred View Post

I think at $8 a month, Netflix is a threat. If that doesn't financially support the content owners/studios at a level they're satisfied by, there'll have to be a renegotiation. Naturally, until then, I'd expect both parties to stand by their contractual obligations.

I'm hopeful that the future does away with Netflix, as well as the cable companies, at least for first run TV content. I'd be happier, and probably spend lots of money, getting the programs I want on a per season or per episode basis, directly from the studio - downloaded vs. streaming and ad supported vs. not all to be negotiated. I can't stand the idea of paying anyone a subscription fee to get access to content I have no interest in consuming.

I'll concede that I don't want to manage accounts at more than a half-dozen network websites, but my TV or Boxee or PC could be easily configured to manage that without much of my direct involvement. Since portability is not a major concern for me, I wouldn't be worried about access away from home.

So, I hope that Netflix is successful with their original programming. Maybe they can show Showtime that I would be willing to pay for access to Dexter, Weeds, and United States of Tara a la carte, and they can cut out Comcast in the bargain. (Not to mention Boardwalk Empire, Mad Men, Breaking Bad, Justified, Warehouse 13, Top Chef... and all the others my wife struggles to find on the internet.)

The only catch is: I will insist on discrete multichannel audio and better resolution and bitrates than Netflix has to offer.

That is whole concept of GoogleTV .. as well, there are plenty of a la carte streaming services available .. VUDU, Amazon, etc .. but not at $8 bucks a month ..
post #10 of 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by gagit811 View Post

true, I think this is where they are headed and the big companies don't like it. Plus its not the best business model to pay more for product but charge less for it, this is what NF is doing right now but only to grow the company and get more subscribers. In the end they will have to raise prices or start showing ads withend the apps or before movies start up somethings has to give.

Check FeedFlix for regular updates in NF content .. as well, don't discount the fact that Netflix has the brand. They have carefully, and quietly, crafted one of the strongest consumer brands in the United States. That means a lot .. just like Coke, Ford, Pepsi, etc ..

They drove Blockbuster into bankruptcy .. NF has the big stick right now and that ain't gonna change any time soon .. and they make plenty of money ..
post #11 of 49
Nooooooooo! I'll have to wait 3 months now to see Spartacus episodes.
post #12 of 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

Check FeedFlix for regular updates in NF content .. as well, don't discount the fact that Netflix has the brand. They have carefully, and quietly, crafted one of the strongest consumer brands in the United States. That means a lot .. just like Coke, Ford, Pepsi, etc ..

They drove Blockbuster into bankruptcy .. NF has the big stick right now and that ain't gonna change any time soon .. and they make plenty of money ..

they are getting big but have a long long way to go before they are true house hold names as HBO, Stars, NBC ex.... For online streaming and dvd rentals they are king tho. In order to have netflix you have to have an ISP, most ISP are attached to cable or satellite provider. So most of the NF subscribers have access to all the big name shows before they consider netflix. NF makes it easy and puts it in one spot to find it. NF beat out blockbuster as it just modern easier and cheaper then blockbuster. It wont be so easy to take over the cable/sat and the big studios, they can co exists but overall not be bigger or have more money then them. On top of that most people don't want to work to find something to watch they just want it on. http://www.kotaku.com.au/2011/01/yik...the-cable-box/
post #13 of 49
I think the companies will be making a mistake if they withdraw from Netflix altogether, its the ubiquitous digital content delivery platfrom. It might be a better idea to negotiate a 'Starz plan' with Netflix for example, where Starz subscribers can link their accounts to Netflix and get access to content earlier. Very few people are going to subscribe to Starz to solely get digital content delivery through a dedicated starz app that is poorly supported and only allows you to view starz shows. Netflix is a prime opportunity to come up with a standardized streaming delivery platform, if they screw it up, content providers may find out that people don't really need their content.
post #14 of 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by gagit811 View Post

On top of that most people don't want to work to find something to watch they just want it on. http://www.kotaku.com.au/2011/01/yik...the-cable-box/

Hulu will just keep streaming shows and clips without any user intervention.
post #15 of 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

there are plenty of a la carte streaming services available .. VUDU, Amazon, etc .. but not at $8 bucks a month ..

That's my point - the content owners need to cut out the old distribution channel and work directly through the new one. There's no need for Amazon to mark up the price to take their cut. If Netflix can own and distribute its original content, Showtime could do the same thing.
post #16 of 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by HopefulFred View Post

That's my point - the content owners need to cut out the old distribution channel and work directly through the new one. There's no need for Amazon to mark up the price to take their cut. If Netflix can own and distribute its original content, Showtime could do the same thing.

Well .. anyone can stream content given enough money to invest .. and that was the whole concept behind GoogleTV ..

At some point, a viable "one stop shop" will probably come about .. until then, the market is fragmented and now the greed of the studios is coming out full force ..

It's a mess, I won't deny it .. then throw the CATV companies into the mix who certainly don't want to lose their cash cow as well ..

My point is NF is as best as we have right now for the money .. I personally don't want to deal with 25 content providers every time I want to stream something ..
post #17 of 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by poppabk View Post

I think the companies will be making a mistake if they withdraw from Netflix altogether, its the ubiquitous digital content delivery platfrom. It might be a better idea to negotiate a 'Starz plan' with Netflix for example, where Starz subscribers can link their accounts to Netflix and get access to content earlier. Very few people are going to subscribe to Starz to solely get digital content delivery through a dedicated starz app that is poorly supported and only allows you to view starz shows. Netflix is a prime opportunity to come up with a standardized streaming delivery platform, if they screw it up, content providers may find out that people don't really need their content.

I agree .. and NF has the platform already ..
post #18 of 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by gagit811 View Post

they are getting big but have a long long way to go before they are true house hold names as HBO, Stars, NBC ex.... For online streaming and dvd rentals they are king tho. In order to have netflix you have to have an ISP, most ISP are attached to cable or satellite provider. So most of the NF subscribers have access to all the big name shows before they consider netflix. NF makes it easy and puts it in one spot to find it. NF beat out blockbuster as it just modern easier and cheaper then blockbuster. It wont be so easy to take over the cable/sat and the big studios, they can co exists but overall not be bigger or have more money then them.

I don't know what planet your're living on, but NF is a household name these days, probably much more so than Starz .. They beat Blockbuster because NF was the first of it's kind and the management of BB did not see the potential until it was too late ..

And again, NF has PLENTY of money .. and a stock that's trading around $230 bucks a share ..
post #19 of 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by gagit811 View Post

they are a big threat to the big studios, the only reason they sold content to them was because they weren't a threat before. I think all the major studios will want more money for content and longer delays or just not do deals with netflix altogether. They don't want to give their premium content to someone who can beat them and undercut them with better value. If you owned a burger chain and sold your premium beef patties to a mom and pop store. Now this mom and pop store went out and got the best burgers from all your competition, then open up their own chain of buger shops with the best burgers from all over, then to top it off sell it cheaper then everyone else with lager portions. You and all the other chains would want to put a stop to it buy driving up prices or cutting them off completely. This is what I see happening with netflix, I wonder how things will be in a few years for them.

Too many theys and thems to follow who's who.
post #20 of 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

I don't know what planet your're living on, but NF is a household name these days, probably much more so than Starz .. They beat Blockbuster because NF was the first of it's kind and the management of BB did not see the potential until it was too late ..

And again, NF has PLENTY of money .. and a stock that's trading around $230 bucks a share ..

I was a regular every tuesday costumer at blockbuster for over 10 years, I rented well over 4 thousand movies from them. I also had the all you can eat movie pass from them, I switch to netflix because It was cheaper and more convenient for me. One I didn't have to drive across town to get movies, Two I was able to get 4 movies from netflix for the price I was getting 2 from blockbuster. It was a combo of conveniences and cheaper price and lets not forget the streaming made netflix better then blockbuster.

Sure people know the netflix name, but the masses don't use it compared to cable/satellite. There are a few things limiting netflix,a combo of devices and internet. The know how to make it all work together, you are on a tech geek type website. We know how to get on neflix, but you think mom, dad, grandpa grandma do? Sure some do but for the masses they just don't get it. Netflix is for the new younger generation of users but the people who couldn't program their vcr will never get it but they can figure out how to use the cable box. For now there are more people in the dark then in the light. I'm rooting for netflix as I'm a subscriber, but don't think just because they have tons of money they will over take companies that have years and years on NF with everyone accustomed to using their services. Netflix is a secondary form of entertainment not a primary like cable/sat. If you can't understand that, I can say anything to you it won't matter.
post #21 of 49
This won't really effect me much because I get my content via means other than netflix so that I can have better video and audio quality.
post #22 of 49
Well for me the "Starz Play" content has the worst video quality of any of the streamed movies on netflix - unwatchable on anything larger than an ipod. So I have to get the discs for those movies anyway. Some of their other streamed content is just fine though.
post #23 of 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by harrihuss View Post

Well for me the "Starz Play" content has the worst video quality of any of the streamed movies on netflix - unwatchable on anything larger than an ipod. So I have to get the discs for those movies anyway. Some of their other streamed content is just fine though.

AGREE 100% WITH THIS. Even recent flicks like Prince of Persia are only available in streaming SD from Starz. Fact: it's this kind of nonsense that keeps high-def torrent sites in business. Come on Starz, pony up already!

post #24 of 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by gridbug View Post

AGREE 100% WITH THIS. Even recent flicks like Prince of Persia are only available in streaming SD from Starz. Fact: it's this kind of nonsense that keeps high-def torrent sites in business. Come on Starz, pony up already!


Torrent sites are in business because people's moral compasses are flawed, the word theft is not in their vocabulary.
post #25 of 49
For paying less than to Netflix per month than I would to Starz I can wait three months.
post #26 of 49
I will continue to support Netflix because out of all the services that deliver content they continue to be the best value. I could care less if I have to wait a little longer to watch some shows. I think the studios and the satellite and cable companies need to realize they can only squeeze so much money out of there customer base. We've been living through some of the worst economic times we've seen in years and these companies continue to raise rates. How much do you think the studios lose in piracy yearly? Do you think it has increased it the last couple of years because of the economy? I think it has and whether you think it is right or wrong piracy has always been around and will continue and has just become easier with newer technology and the internet. One site is forced to shut down and two take its place. I mean people who are going to steal are going to do it regardless but I think in this case Netflix can be seen as the middle. If you owned a studio wouldn't you rather make some money from allowing Netflix to play some of your stuff rather then losing any money to pirates? I could be wrong it's just a thought.
post #27 of 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

Too little, too late .. NF is the big gorilla right now, the original series acquisition was a shot at the studios, everything on the planet practically has a NF app ..

Except for Droid!
post #28 of 49
Quote:
Originally Posted by tenthplanet View Post

Torrent sites are in business because people's moral compasses are flawed, the word theft is not in their vocabulary.

Oh boy, the morale patrol. Let me guess, your prolly the guy that will "cast the first stone", get over yourself man. If it makes you feel better, you and your flawless moral compass can continue to keep the movie industry in business, however much longer that will be. Torrents are here to stay and movies and music will continually be free.
post #29 of 49
I am still puzzled that so many people with HDTV's will watch stuff on Netflix that is SD. People are cheating themselves by watching shows such as Spartacus in standard definition on their HDTV's. Its convenient to have, but not great. This isn't meant to be a shot at anyone, but instead just something that I have always wondered about. I personally know a lot of people that settle for standard streaming on Netflix even though they have 55 inch HDTV's. If someone can please explain this to me I would really appreciate it.
post #30 of 49
I use to work at a BB as a part time job while in school, i was allowed 5 free rentals a week. I still had a netflix subscription, cause the content was much better. Honestly there is no better streaming service I've found then netflix, tons of content bunch of older movies and so on.

I'm you guys have seen the adds for on demand or blockbuster saying the have movies 30 days before redbox and netflix. Do any of you remember the reasoning for this was because the studios said they were loosing money cause of the low prices netflix were offering for the subscriptions. It was a power play move i think made by block buster and the cable companies.

Not sure how many people here rent the blu-rays from netflix but the do charge a few dollars extra for them, which was okay in my book. Now if they could take that same idea for content from stars and hbo, kind of like a subscription fee for each service it could be the start of pick your content streaming, so one user who only really wants movies and doesn't mind waiting would pay less then the person who has all the subscriptions. I think this would be super beneficial for both parties. If stars does delay content users will find "other means" to get the content they want.
So starz by delaying content it is like shooting them selves in the foot, same with the studios.

I would like to also add, that when you order TV shows from the network like cbs and nbc or fx, on the on demand service from your cable provider they have commercial breaks, which most of us have accepted to be okay. I think i would be okay with this on netflix for ordering newer episodes of shows from tv networks.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Community News & Polls
AVS › AVS Forum › News Forum › Community News & Polls › Starz to Delay Release of Shows on Netflix