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post #121 of 467
6.1 Speaker setup.
post #122 of 467
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Originally Posted by TheGigaShadow View Post

http://www.blu-raystats.com/Stats/Stats.php

Set "audio" to 7.1 and click "filter". That'll give you an idea of what's currently out there.

Thanks for the heads up. I didn't know such a resource was out there. Very useful for me as a classical music buff and collector.
post #123 of 467
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

From all the above, only Toy Story 3 is a true 7.1 during the theatrical release. The rest are re-mixed from 5.1 (or less) into 7.1.

If people are so hell bent about staying true to the theatrical presentation (such as original aspect ratio, watching black and white movie in black and white -- and not colourized), why then the double standard in remixing the soundtrack from mono to stereo, from stereo to 5.1, or from 5.1 to 7.1?

Your post makes a lot of sense. Indeed, I have a lot of money invested in my 7.1 system, and want to believe it makes a difference. But I honestly don't think I notice any improvement.
post #124 of 467
7.1
post #125 of 467
7.1 Def Tech system. Looking to upgrade to a 11.2 system in the future.
post #126 of 467
does 5.0 count, no subwoofer?
post #127 of 467
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Originally Posted by JVoth View Post

Agreed. I have a Denon AVR-988 for my pre/pro and it does matrix 5.1 into the back surrounds. Once you get 7.1 it really is hard to go back. Plus older dvd's like the Lord of the Rings Extended Editions have a DTS-ES 6.1 soundtrack and having the 2 rear surrounds makes a huge difference.

Exactly. My room is fairly small, maybe 15 x 15, and I wasn't sure about having room for the 2 back surrounds. But upgrading from 5.1 to 7.1 did make a huge difference. No longer any void behind you that you could sometimes tell. The lack of many 7.1 audio on Blu-rays is not a huge thing, as my Pioneer, while not ultra-high end, does an amazing job with the ProLogic IIx processing. 5.1 becomes 7.1, and does not sound artificial (even if it actually is).
post #128 of 467
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

all original soundtracks in the world (except for less than 5 titles) are in 5.1 or less. The first movie that is in true 7.1 as the director's intended starts with Toy Story 3. Those 7.1 blu-rays are "fake" 7.1 akin to making stereo-mix from a mono soundtrack.

I didn't know that. Still, it's nice having the mix already professionally made. rather then having the processsor make it. I'll take "fake" 7.1 over bad 5.1 mixes any day.
post #129 of 467
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

all original soundtracks in the world (except for less than 5 titles) are in 5.1 or less. The first movie that is in true 7.1 as the director's intended starts with Toy Story 3. Those 7.1 blu-rays are "fake" 7.1 akin to making stereo-mix from a mono soundtrack.

Isn't 3:10 to Yuma a "True" 7.1 mix as well?
post #130 of 467
5.1. I could go with 7.1, but quite frankly in a 10x10 room, I think its ridiculous.

On top of that, adding those extra 2 speakers would be a royal pain since the seating position is right against the back wall.

If I added to more floorstanding speakers, I couldn't call it a theater set up, really I would have to just call it the speaker room.
post #131 of 467
I have a 5.1 set-up of a different configuration than Dolby envisioned.
Homeade main speakers up front w/. active three way crossovers and
amps. Variable filter sub w/. 500 watt amp. The other three speakers
are Hafler configured (l-r) with a variable delay circuit. Two speakers
are located a little forward of direct side position, and the rear speaker
directly behind the listening position. Not only does it sound good to me,
but everyone that hears it says it is the best setup they have ever heard!
post #132 of 467
I'm running a 9.1 set up with DSX Heights and Wides. I had intended for a 7.1 set up (with front heights), but ended up upgrading my mains from Energy RC-30 to RC-70, which is how I ended up with wides as well. I sometimes switch DSX on and off, and while I really appreciate the effect the height and wides bring, I could live with out them if I had to.

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Originally Posted by jrwalte View Post

That's actually the proper position for 5.1, the surrounds at your side. It's a common misconception that they should be behind you. You add the behind speakers with a 7.1 layout.


Proper position based on what? The guidelines from Dolby, DTS and THX all provision the surrounds at 90-110 degrees, which would put them at your side or slightly behind you.
post #133 of 467
7.2 I have no interest in adding anymore, with exception of subs.

room is 16 x 25 x 9.
post #134 of 467
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Originally Posted by mesasone View Post

The guidelines from Dolby, DTS and THX all provision the surrounds at 90-110 degrees, which would put them at your side or slightly behind you.

But 90-110 degrees is hardly behind you is it? They are at the side, but just slightly offset.
post #135 of 467
5.1 configuration - all M&K speakers.

Don't have the room for 7.1 set up.
post #136 of 467
I can't answer the poll as listed. I do not use subwoofers, rather I use full-range loudspeakers, so I do 2.0 5.0 7.0 9.0 11.0 and others in my work listening space, and primarily (due to source material availablity) 2.0 at home.

I do use an LFE on movies, but I do not use any form of bass management. There were several arguments about multiple subs a few years ago that got congested by a few people grinding axes, but the fact that the ear can still distinguish between 50Hz in phase vs. not-in-phase at the two ears remains.
post #137 of 467
9.2 Rock here @ La CasaSlappy located in SlappyVille
Heights / Wides mind you !
post #138 of 467
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Originally Posted by jj_0001 View Post

I can't answer the poll as listed. I do not use subwoofers, rather I use full-range loudspeakers, so I do 2.0 5.0 7.0 9.0 11.0 and others in my work listening space, and primarily (due to source material availablity) 2.0 at home.

I do use an LFE on movies, but I do not use any form of bass management. There were several arguments about multiple subs a few years ago that got congested by a few people grinding axes, but the fact that the ear can still distinguish between 50Hz in phase vs. not-in-phase at the two ears remains.

JJ will you adopt me as your son ? Plz ........
post #139 of 467
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Originally Posted by mikey mo View Post

Thanks for the heads up. I didn't know such a resource was out there. Very useful for me as a classical music buff and collector.

Yeah, it's pretty good. It's maintained by a BD fan so, it's not really an official resource. Every now and then one slips past his radar (he had Kick-Ass listed as 5.1 until I contacted him through his board. he quickly made the fix.) but for the most part it seems pretty accurate and up to date.
post #140 of 467
I would like to pose a question in relation to this poll. I have new carpet coming Thursday for my theater in the basement, which is almost finished finally. I have 4 kef towers, 2 kef bookshelfs and a kef center and sub as well. I'm going to use all 7.1 speakers, but am not sure whether to go with sides and rears or wides and rears or highs and rears. What are the opinions out there about the best sound from those combos of speaker setups? Gonna be watching and hearing good stuff finally by this weekend!!!!!!!!
post #141 of 467
Planning 11.4
post #142 of 467
To the people using 3 or 4 subs, seriously?! You couldn't think of a better way to spend that money? The best reference theatres in the world have two at the most.
post #143 of 467
10.2 with the Pio SC-09 having a double surround and double center. Sounds great with in walls. Previously owned the Denon 4810 and matched with a Def Tech Mythos 9.2 setup w/ heights and wides and would probably say both are great sounding. Truth be told not a big fan of the rears as much as the wides probably.
post #144 of 467
7.1 using Martin Logan's and 2 Velodyne subs
post #145 of 467
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

all original soundtracks in the world (except for less than 5 titles) are in 5.1 or less. The first movie that is in true 7.1 as the director's intended starts with Toy Story 3. Those 7.1 blu-rays are "fake" 7.1 akin to making stereo-mix from a mono soundtrack.

Taking a mono soundtrack and turning it into stereo has nothing in common with extracting 7.1 from a discrete 5.1 soundtrack. The majority of the information needed to properly place all the sound content into a 7.1 soundfield is present in the 5.1 feed as well as the layout information the receiver/processor gathers during setup and calibration.

And don't go on about "as the director's intended" unless you know exactly what the director intended. A home theater is a compromised environment for the director's presentation. I would argue that 7.1 is LESS of a compromise than 5.1 and is MORE in line with what the director intended.
post #146 of 467
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Originally Posted by rafaelpr View Post

I ask every person I know that has a 7.1 setup to name a movie they've seen that takes advantage of the 7.1 speakers, and none of them has ever been able to answer me. I agree with the previous poster that if more material were available, I'd upgrade.

Actually, the Onkyo 3008 and 5008 will separate out a 5.1 into a 7.1 or 9.1/2.

I just saw the (in terms of acting) absolutely horrible but spectacular in terms of effects Transformers/fallen and the excellent all around "Red" and both were spectacular on my 9.1 system (running 2 18 inch subs off one amp).
post #147 of 467
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Originally Posted by fordf250 View Post

How about a category for 6.1???????

Ditto for me.
post #148 of 467
5.1
post #149 of 467
7.1 Energy system. RC-50 mains, RC-LCR center, RC-R surrounds, and RC-10 rear surrounds. I enjoy music in surround mode so much that I'm totally indifferent to the availability of 7.1 movie soundtracks. All my speakers see very heavy use.
post #150 of 467
2 channel for life
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