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post #61 of 458
While it will the tough, I'll wait for a disc(s) with just the film. Perhaps we'll get a surprise Walmart or Best Buy movie only version. I'll still kicking myself by buying the big box of GWTW, when all I've ever watched is the fim.
post #62 of 458
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Originally Posted by egrady View Post

While it will the tough, I'll wait for a disc(s) with just the film.

I just couldn't do it.

Art
post #63 of 458
There is the UK release ... discs only for less than 14 euros. I've got that on order. Roughly same release date I believe.
post #64 of 458
I don't understand why people seem to dismiss the UK release as an alternative.
post #65 of 458
Oooops! I guess the price went up since I ordered. UK price now almost 16 euros before shipping. I paid under 10.
post #66 of 458
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Originally Posted by RobertR View Post

I don't understand why people seem to dismiss the UK release as an alternative.

Robert,
I'm not dismissing it, I've just been ignorant about it.

Art
post #67 of 458
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Originally Posted by Art Sonneborn View Post

Robert,
I'm not dismissing it, I've just been ignorant about it.

Art

Art,
I learned that if you go to Amazon UK and check upcoming Warner titles, you can often find nice surprises.
post #68 of 458
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Originally Posted by hconwell View Post

Oooops! I guess the price went up since I ordered. UK price now almost 16 euros before shipping. I paid under 10.

I went to check my order yesterday on Amazon UK, nothing?!

Ah, default is 30 days, I pre-ordered in June.
9.99 pounds
post #69 of 458
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Originally Posted by rlsmith View Post

Alas, nothing will ever quite replicate seeing this film in 70mm in a 60's roadshow house SPECIFICALLY BUILT for Ben-hur. People actually called it the "Ben-hur theatre" until The Sound of Music ran there several years later.

People who did not experience this sort of presentation really don't know what they are missing.

No, Blu-ray (with all its quality) doesn't make it.


Bob

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Originally Posted by Ed Weinman View Post

...true...I saw it when it first opened in LA at the Egyptian Theater...I never saw such a large screen!...however, it is still better than seeing it on a 10" black and white set...

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Originally Posted by Robert Harris View Post

The Blu-ray release of Ben-Hur should be wonderful, but the film deserves at least a limited theatrical run in 70mm or 4k.

However wonder the Blu-ray might be, it will still be akin to a black & white Xerox of an illuminated manuscript, or possibly a paperback edition of a beautifully produced tome, when compared to the real thing.

Nothing against the concept of Blu-ray, which is wonderful, but it is not a replacement for the real thing, and the real thing can be made available. No need for time travel.

RAH

One you've seen movies in a theater like this, anything else pales in comparison.


All three "Godfathers" ran there. (part one was there for over a year, with lines around the theater every night) I saw the original SW trilogy, "Tommy" (in Quintiphonicâ„¢ sound) along with many other great films.
post #70 of 458
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Originally Posted by subavision212 View Post

I, too, cannot wait for this film (it is and always will be my all-time favorite) and I have to agree, it's a movie lovers dream to see a film with a roadshow presentation. I was lucky enough to see Ben-Hur like that when it was re-issued, I think it was 1980, and saw the restored Lawrence of Arabia at the RKO Theater in New York in 1989. The music, the intermission, the whole larger-than-life movie going experience is thrilling.

"Lawrence" is getting a 8K transfer?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrenc...lm)#Home_media
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Home media
Lawrence of Arabia has been released in five different DVD editions, including an initial release as a two-disc set (2001), followed by a shorter single disc edition (2002), a high resolution version of the director's cut with restored scenes (2003) issued as part of the Superbit series, as part of the Columbia Best Pictures collection (2008), and in a fully restored special edition of the director's cut (2008).[citation needed]
Director Steven Spielberg helped restore a version of the film for a DVD release in 2000. He also provided commentary for the DVD.[35]
An 8K scan digital restoration is currently underway for Blu-ray release and is expected to be released sometime in 2012 to celebrate the film's 50th anniversary.
post #71 of 458
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Originally Posted by machavez00 View Post


"Lawrence" is getting a 8K transfer?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrenc...lm)#Home_media

For 70mm that should be minimum, 4k would leave something on the table.
post #72 of 458
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Originally Posted by Robert Harris View Post

The Blu-ray release of Ben-Hur should be wonderful, but the film deserves at least a limited theatrical run in 70mm or 4k.

However wonder the Blu-ray might be, it will still be akin to a black & white Xerox of an illuminated manuscript, or possibly a paperback edition of a beautifully produced tome, when compared to the real thing.

Nothing against the concept of Blu-ray, which is wonderful, but it is not a replacement for the real thing, and the real thing can be made available. No need for time travel.

RAH

Ben-Hur is being shown on October 1 at Alice Tully Hall in 8k 6.0 stereo as part of the NY Film Festival Masterworks series. It is also being advertised in the 2.76 ratio.
post #73 of 458
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Originally Posted by P Ross View Post
Ben-Hur is being shown on October 1 at Alice Tully Hall in 8k 6.0 stereo as part of the NY Film Festival Masterworks series. It is also being advertised in the 2.76 ratio.
Surely a typo, this will most probably be a 4k screening.

If they could squeeze Ben Hur into the 1.85:1 shape of the 4k projector panel they could unsqueeze it in projection with a 1.5:1 anamorphic attachment produced by Isco/Schneider and use the complete panel and all its resolution and light output to arrive at that ultrawide aspect ratio.

Personally I am not completely against 4k digital screenings but I would hope that Warner will also be so nice to give us a 70mm print, too. It still would be the closest to its original roadshow presentation in that format and I am sure that less than perfect colors could be forgiven for the chance to once again be able to see Ben Hur as it originally was meant to be seen.
post #74 of 458
You may be correct but this is what it says...

Even if you had seen Ben-Hur in 1959 during its first-run 70mm roadshow engagements, it's doubtful you would have seen (or heard) a spectacle quite as stunning as this 8K digital restoration Warner Home Video has completed after more than a year of meticulous work for its Blu-ray debut in honor of the film's 50th anniversary. The innumerable qualities of William Wyler's stupendous winner of 11 Academy Awards demand to be seen on the giant screen in the original 2.76 aspect ratio, and this theatrical premiere of the restored version provides audiences of all ages the rare opportunity to marvel at Hollywood maximally lavish, stirring and exciting epic entertainment, capped by the chariot race that has never been topped for breathtakingly real (that is, non-CGI) thrills. Charlton Heston won an Oscar for his role as Prince Judah Ben-Hur whose spiritual and muscular strength best Rome's own. Miklos Rozsa's indispensable score will be heard in its full glory in 5.1 stereo.

SERIES: NYFF MASTERWORKS
COUNTRY: USA | ENGLISH | FORMAT: 8K DIGITAL, 6.0 STEREO | RUNNING TIME: 212M
post #75 of 458
I doubt there is any digital master beyond 4K. 8K scan, but 4K processing. Proof to the contrary welcome.
post #76 of 458
So, the aspect ratio of 2.76 is a go?
Didn't Harris say something about 2.55 at the widest (preferable) ratio?

If so, please explain why.
post #77 of 458
Mr. Harris' comments on this forum give us real credibility but, in this instance, I disagree. I find the extra width beyond 2.55 adds noticeably to the "immersive" effect. Here, my setup will put it up at just under 2.70. Can't wait.

BTW, I'll predict that nailing anyone down at the Lincoln Center will be difficult. Plus, it's only one showing, right? Will probably sell out. But if it were a 40 or 50 foot wide screen with proper seating distance, it might be wonderful.
post #78 of 458
I would go. But 1200 miles one way is a lot of driving.....and I got to be home to feed the dog



hopefully, since it is a 70mm film, they will add some digital grain to keep certain folks happy
post #79 of 458
The resolution I remember reading for the restoration was 6K, which makes a sort of sense. Muliply that by 1.25 and you get something approaching 8K.
post #80 of 458
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Originally Posted by Fang Zei View Post

The resolution I remember reading for the restoration was 6K, which makes a sort of sense. Muliply that by 1.25 and you get something approaching 8K.

6 would be ok, but not perfect, mind you a good job is a good job regardless of resolution.
post #81 of 458
I am going to see the film October 1 in NYC. All that I hope for is a very large screen.
post #82 of 458
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Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens View Post
I am going to see the film October 1 in NYC. All that I hope for is a very large screen.
Would welcome any info you have on this screening before and after. I'm in suburban Philly and would consider going if it looked promising.
post #83 of 458
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Originally Posted by hconwell View Post
Would welcome any info you have on this screening before and after. I'm in suburban Philly and would consider going if it looked promising.
Here's a link to where you can get tickets(though they aren't available yet):

http://www.filmlinc.com/films


I'm also considering going, though I don't know if I'll be able to make it. But I've always wanted to see Ben Hur on the big screen.
post #84 of 458
just want to make sure before i order that this is the correct new transfer of the movie minus all the extra stuff:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ben-Hur-Ulti.../dp/B003BNY6XU

thanks in advance!
post #85 of 458
Yep.............that's it.........I ordered one back in July.
post #86 of 458
http://www.filmlinc.com/films/on-sale/ben-hur

All I know so far is it will be reserved seating.
post #87 of 458
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Originally Posted by Matt_Stevens View Post

I am going to see the film October 1 in NYC. All that I hope for is a very large screen.

Then you'd better hope it's in the Elinor Bunin Monroe Theater rather than the Walter Reade Theater at the Lincoln Center. I saw the restored version of The Sand Pebbles at the Walter Reade in May 2009 and it was an excruciating experience. Bad projection and bad sound, I was very disappointed. The screen in the Walter Reade is not that large either, certainly not worthy of a film like Ben Hur. I've never been in the EBM Theater so for your sake I hope it's a better venue.

http://www.filmlinc.com/about/the-el...oe-film-center
post #88 of 458
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Originally Posted by Larry Sutliff View Post

Here's a link to where you can get tickets(though they aren't available yet):

http://www.filmlinc.com/films


I'm also considering going, though I don't know if I'll be able to make it. But I've always wanted to see Ben Hur on the big screen.

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Originally Posted by Mr.G View Post

Then you'd better hope it's in the Elinor Bunin Monroe Theater rather than the Walter Reade Theater at the Lincoln Center. I saw the restored version of The Sand Pebbles at the Walter Reade in May 2009 and it was an excruciating experience. Bad projection and bad sound, I was very disappointed. The screen in the Walter Reade is not that large either, certainly not worthy of a film like Ben Hur. I've never been in the EBM Theater so for your sake I hope it's a better venue.

http://www.filmlinc.com/about/the-el...oe-film-center

It's being presented in Alice Tulley Hall whatever that is.
post #89 of 458
Here's where you can download a seating chart for Tulley Hall. Holds over 1,000 people.

http://www.lincolncenter.org/asc_loa...o_hallinfo_ath
post #90 of 458
Walter Read normally has very good sound and video, so I do not know what went wrong with The Sand Pebbles. I have had the pleasure of seeing Once Upon A Time In The West, The Blade and PATTON (in 70mm) there over the last year.

Tulley Hall will need to set up a special screen for this presentation.
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