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post #1 of 41
Thread Starter 
its a to long way for me to las vegas but i hope someone
visit the show and post his impressions here.

its the first show ever where all 4k pr. are there!
may side by side or at least not far away to each other.

-Barco with the new 4k dlp
-Christie with the new 4k dlp
-NEC with the new 4k dlp
-Sony with the 4k lcos pr.

Peter i hope you feel better and at least you go

ask them all about the promise to upgrade to 4k in 3d nativ when and how much.
as well what about higher frame rates than 24p in 4k.
avatar 2+3 will be shot not in 24p it will be in 48p 60p or even 72p but my
guess is 48p.
it will be record may in 2k only but with all the upcomming 4k cameras like
red epic that can shot over 4k with over 120 frames
and the upcomming other cameras that can do similar things its a must.
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Hate to use the third person auto-reference but :

CINERAMAX en route to CINECON.
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Originally Posted by CINERAMAX View Post
Hate to use the third person auto-reference but :

CINERAMAX en route to CINECON.
Look forward to some pictures. I am hearing they are showing an InfoComm type shoot out between manufactures. Should be interesting.
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Originally Posted by Alan Gouger

Look forward to some pictures. I am hearing they are showing an InfoComm type shoot out between manufactures. Should be interesting.
I commandeered a discussion JC was having with three avatar fans about Avatar 2.



He ended up giving me a full 4 minutes in a one to one , where he was very effusive and sure of himself on the subject of real time dimensionalization. He bent over and stuck his fingers down the throat.

then I said also very effusively pointing at my eyes : look all our eyes are between 65 to 70 mm apart , do you know how much it cost to develop this Teranex? 20 billion dollars, it,s spy satellite technology.

The discussion kept on getting heated, it wasEpic...TBC
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Your never boring CINERAMAX I'll give you that........so you going to create a Moon for JC?
post #6 of 41
Peter,

I (and I imagine many others) would be interested to see how the Teranex would compete against George Lucas' upcoming 3D conversion of the Star Wars films, if you used the soon to be released Blu-Ray versions. Or even better yet, if you had access to the master source.

It's especially interesting because he's well known to be a perfectionist about these kind of things.

Or, maybe George is using this technology !
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There are two very difficult type of films for the TERANEX those very heavy CGI's like Avatar and 2012 AND those outer space high contrast. 2001 due to it's extreme contrasts between the white moon and spacecrafts against the darkness of space (or in the case of star wars which I will soon see dimensionalised here at the lab)I don't expect it to be good. George said yesterday that Star Wars is the most expensive 2 to 3 d conversion EVER exceeding the total production budget of the original film. I totally feel your pain Georgie boy, with the extreme contrasts there is going to be a lot of ghostbusting and photoshopping or ghosting going on with it.

But Take a movie like THE THIN RED LINE, whose name escaped me (saying what is the name of that Guadalcanal Heady movie) during my 5 minute argument with Cameron at which point he said : "IF YOU ARE GOING TO TECHNICALLY CONFRONT ME, YOU BETTER COME PREPARED".

That movie and any movies shot with minimal special effects, practically any movie shot in the 50's, 60's, 70's, anything shot with simple video ameras like nature documentaries, concerts, opera, ballet, porno. The TERI KICKS major butt.

Through our associates on the west coast WE ARE GOING TO SHOW JC and all the top producers MY RIG with a 4K, not necessarily as a production implement, but as a quality control quick and painless way to gauge creative decisions in the dimensionalisation process. And also to watch Blu-ray in it's finest form at home.

I have much to share but I will need to relax. As a last point James Cameron showed on a pair of Christie 4K's the same commissioned footage in 3D shot at 60 and 3/2 pulled down to 48 and 24, or maybe it was actually shot at 24. The 60 frame per second blew away 24 and was slightly better than the 48. He will shoot his next avatars like so.

In a slight to SONY 4K which has been around for 5 years (and to the worlds-mostest 6 million dollar Kipnis supreme) JC said "4k projectors are just beginning to become available".
post #8 of 41
Back on topic, I was wondering why, in this recession, haven't they thought of combining some of the smaller shows to increase attendance.

Obviously, bringing CEDIA and CES together would be a horrendous nightmare. But maybe shows like InfoCon, et al, which I believe are much smaller, would be a better match.

There's so much more opportunity at hand then just increasing attendance numbers too. Remember before Pioneer failed in the TV venture, they brought their departments together to work closer with one another. Same model applies here.

Maybe I just don't know the business well enough...

Thoughts?

Edit: Sorry Peter, didn't see you had such a quick reply, Thanks. I was referring to me just being curious of your new toy and getting off topic.
post #9 of 41
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Originally Posted by CINERAMAX View Post

or in the case of star wars which I will soon see dimensionalised here at the lab

What kind of source material are you going to be using?
post #10 of 41
The best looking kaleidescape blu-rays. The thin red line, where the eagles dare, Imax movies, video concerts of jeff beck, you know regular stuff.
post #11 of 41
Anyone attending CES or CINECON would say RECESSION WHAT RECESSION?

George Lucas said we are about to experience a 3D INVASION.
post #12 of 41
Thread Starter 
i spoke with 3 people that went to the show.

all saw the demo from Cameron with 48 and 60 frames with two 2K Christie dlps.
they use for this demo two 2k dlps not the 4k version.

all say the same that 48 looks far better than 24 and the difference between
48 and 60 is not that much.

think that was the highlight of the show beside that all 4k dlps that was there with the sony 4k lcos as well.
sad is that as they are all in one room but the not feed the pr. with the same material and they are not on all at the same time.
so not a compare as in the old days at infocom where all pr. get the same
signal all simultaneous at the screens.

as i like to do 4k in 3d and thats not possible today with only one 4k dlp the good news for me was that it seems that because of all the talking about
48 and 60 frames TI will rush the development of new inputboards for this 4k pr. that allows to do 4k 3d nativ with only one pr. at least at 24p.
as most 3d material i have are stills the only 24 frames is not a problem.

as the new defacto 3d video standart for consumer is
2x 1920x1080 60i (Frame Packing for interlace MVC see JVC and Sony Consumer 3d cam) the 4k pr. need to support this as well and i hope barco christie and nec will implement it.

as i do 3d for over 30 years i am with cameron that i think no even very expensive 2d to 3d converter will work good.
why cameron spend mil. 30-40 mil$ to convert titanic form 2d to 3d
and say at the same time "its only almost as good as to shot in nativ 3d" when a $30k box do similar things?
no question this box will be work better than a build in $10 2d to 3d chip
but as i not see this unit in action i cant say it for sure.

i hope i can test this unit soon......and i hope the 3d quality will convince me.
post #13 of 41
New chance to see Barco and Christie 4K roll-out, NAB 2011.
http://4kfest.com/
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Aghrr the thought of putting in these red eyes flights so frequently is not amusing me in the least bit.
post #15 of 41
Erhm there's so much to see at NAB, that you should book at least one night in an hotel, Peter. Used to be that people were complaining that NAB only runs for four days, so not enough time to catch up with all the latest stuff.
post #16 of 41
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New chance to see Barco and Christie 4K roll-out, NAB 2011.
4K FEST is actually exclusively powered by Barco.

Watch this thread on reduser for updates. EDIT: Oops can't post URLs yet. It is under the "RED Discussion" forum.
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The NEW Dolby glasses from Owens Corning are the first good pair of glasses I get to try with Dolby.

They claim it hias a SHELF to reduce light seepage in.






Holly Batglasses, the panavision system has a REAL SHELF!

Panavision claims to have higher throughput and lower extinction rates than the Dolby, color fringing was nowhere to be seen.
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post #21 of 41
Great pics Peter! How big was the screen showing RIVER KWAI?
post #22 of 41
Thanks oh the sony was Kwai, salt and mystic India, about 16 or 18 wide. Tweaked to the hilt. Wolfgang is more politically correct I side with Cameron on the statement that 4K is just beginning to become available this year.
post #23 of 41
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Originally Posted by Justin O'Neill View Post

4K FEST is actually exclusively powered by Barco.

Watch this thread on reduser for updates. EDIT: Oops can't post URLs yet. It is under the "RED Discussion" forum.

I am aware of that.

At the same time; Christie also has a booth at NAB at the same floor as the Barco and RED booth. I guess they also want to show some 4K PJ.

Was this the link you wanted to post; http://reduser.net/forum/showthread....NG-AT-NAB-2011
post #24 of 41
Ah, sorry I misunderstood. Thanks for posting the link!
post #25 of 41
Thread Starter 
the good thing about the red epic is that this camera can record
any frame rate you like.
so you are sure if you buy a red epic that 48p 60p or even higher will be
no problem to record in 4k.

as i have post already this materilal will show the quality the 4k dlps can do and
not any filmscann.
alone this HDR function is a highlight see here:
http://www.vimeo.com/21147606
can you do this with film? NO
post #26 of 41
Love that HDR, had totally forgotten about that.

More pics...









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post #27 of 41

Italian Barco 4k


German Barco 4K with Novel DMD stray scatter light elimination fabric material. Now why did't I think of that before? Watch that gets added to the next Runco Series.


Nec Ture Grit 4k, the 4k presentations have lost much of the previous weird yellowish pallete on the NEC's it is very good... that is until you see the Christie which is Much Sharper and Uniform optics that come as the result of having a bigger booth.



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post #29 of 41
Peter,

Thanks for posting all the photos. Would have been fun to attend. Think you could take JC?
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My Pleasure.











High Megabit DCP's with on the fly jug shuttle trick play, that is what I would have at home if I was on the Bel-air circuit, gives you chance of doing instant playbacks and cueing up to favorite scenes.
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