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post #181 of 551
4/12/11 at 8:37am
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Originally Posted by neworder71 View Post

Did anybody notice that the 3312 doesn't come with the spare remote?

I don't see any upside on this model...disappointing.

Apparently they deemed the multi Zone remote wasn't being utilized enough to warrant it's inclusion ...

Looks like the hard copy manuals are gone as well .. replaced by a CD. A hard copy manual has come in handy on many occasions.
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post #182 of 551
4/12/11 at 9:07am
well.. here was to hoping there'd be audyssey dsx and dolby plIIz... not so much. there isn't thx select plus2 certiifcation either which I was hoping for.. but I guess that can be lived without since we know denon is solid quality. oh well. guess my audyssey 7.1 front wide setup will wait...

also... I am interested in either the 2312 and 2112..

only differnece I can see is 15W with the 2312...

I dont know if I can justify the $200 price difference based on that.. can anyone else spot anything?
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post #183 of 551
4/12/11 at 9:57am
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Originally Posted by defkon View Post

well.. here was to hoping there'd be audyssey dsx and dolby plIIz... not so much. there isn't thx select plus2 certiifcation either which I was hoping for.. but I guess that can be lived without since we know denon is solid quality. oh well. guess my audyssey 7.1 front wide setup will wait...

also... I am interested in either the 2312 and 2112..

only differnece I can see is 15W with the 2312...

I dont know if I can justify the $200 price difference based on that.. can anyone else spot anything?

Dual subwoofer outputs
Picture adjust
I/P Converter and Scaler
Front HDMI
Trigger out
2-line front panel display (it appears that the 2112 is only 1 line)
Detachable power cord

For me these are all minor and not worth the difference but YMMV.
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post #184 of 551
4/12/11 at 10:31am
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Originally Posted by mjodotcom View Post

Damn, I was really hoping the 3312 would have XT32 in it. Doesn't seem like a major step up from the 3311?

MultiEQ XT32 requires high performance DSP's, your not going to find them in a $999 receiver. Currently on the Denon AVR-4311CI, Onkyo TX-NR3008 and 5008, Integra DTR 70.2, 80.2 and DHC 80.2 AVR's have this capability.
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post #185 of 551
4/12/11 at 10:35am
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Originally Posted by mjodotcom View Post

I mean hell they put XT in the 2312 as well, what gives?

Cost has come down on processing necessary to implement MultiEQ XT obviously.
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post #186 of 551
4/12/11 at 10:42am
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Originally Posted by JohnAV View Post

MultiEQ XT32 requires high performance DSP's, your not going to find them in a $999 receiver. Currently on the Denon AVR-4311CI, Onkyo TX-NR3008 and 5008, Integra DTR 70.2, 80.2 and DHC 80.2 AVR's have this capability.

But there are many reports (including some from Audyssey, IIRC) that say otherwise--firmware updates could add XT32 to XT gear. It is the manufacturers who would rather you purchased a new receiver/pre-pro.
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post #187 of 551
4/12/11 at 10:54am
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Originally Posted by neworder71 View Post

Did anybody notice that the 3312 doesn't come with the spare remote?

I don't see any upside on this model...disappointing.

Hmmm, Airplay standard, one more HDMI input, video processor (unknown against flier), made in China now, weight drops 4 lbs, must have fans inside?

Main upside its $200 cheaper!
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post #188 of 551
4/12/11 at 11:08am
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Originally Posted by Ovation View Post

But there are many reports (including some from Audyssey, IIRC) that say otherwise--firmware updates could add XT32 to XT gear. It is the manufacturers who would rather you purchased a new receiver/pre-pro.

The 4311 uses two DSP's, 21367 x 1; 21487 x 1 32-bit Floating Point, while the 3312 uses the same 21487 x 1 32-bit Floating Point DSP now compared to the 3311 using a older, less powerful 21367 x 1 32-bit Floating Point DSP. While vendors could reprogram the DSP to do this, the overall design requires a second processor for XT32 which neither the 3311 or 3312 has as I understand it.
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post #189 of 551
4/12/11 at 11:24am
I still suspect they changed video processors, but don't see what they are using now? Like the usual typo's on Denon site. 3312 says its 105 watts on comparison page.
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post #190 of 551
4/12/11 at 11:39am
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Originally Posted by JohnAV View Post

Hmmm, Airplay standard, one more HDMI input, video processor (unknown against flier), made in China now, weight drops 4 lbs, must have fans inside?

I'm thinking the weight is a typo as well. The 2312 is showing 23.8 and the 2112 is showing 22.5. I'm thinking the 3312 probably weighs a little more than the 2312. The 3312 now uses the same case as the other models so I'm sure it's dropped some from the 3311.
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post #191 of 551
4/12/11 at 12:14pm
Some more links:

Denon Puts Web Browser and AirPlay into IN-Command Receiver Series

Denon's IN-Command AVRs Tops '11 Lineup

Denon's midrange AV receiver has AirPlay too
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post #192 of 551
4/12/11 at 12:21pm
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Originally Posted by 12ga View Post

Denon has taken cost cutting to a hole new level with the xx12. One look at the rear panel, the legacy inputs are all gone, this is clearly AVRs for the newbies. Buyer beware should be clearly printed on each retail box, sucker.

right...
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post #193 of 551
4/12/11 at 12:55pm
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Originally Posted by 12ga View Post

Denon has taken cost cutting to a hole new level with the xx12. One look at the rear panel, the legacy inputs are all gone, this is clearly AVRs for the newbies. Buyer beware should be clearly printed on each retail box, sucker.

I'm looking at the rear images for both the AVR-3312 compared to the AVR-3311, I see a SAT TV Sirius DIN connector missing, anything else that matters? Still got two s-video connectors, and component video inputs. Really very little differences. Hope you weren't looking at the wrong image.
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post #194 of 551
4/12/11 at 1:06pm
so will the 3312 play digital signal (HDMI namely) over zone 2/3? This would be major, but im probably beating a dead horse
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post #195 of 551
4/12/11 at 1:09pm
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Originally Posted by 12ga View Post

Newbie, s-video, but thats not all, the amp are not full range rated.

The 2312 and 1912 are both improvements over the last year's model. I'm not sure what you mean by amp ratings but I don't see why the 1912 or 2312 will have any less power than the last year's version. With XT32 they are both a step up in my book.
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post #196 of 551
4/12/11 at 1:12pm
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

so will the 3312 play digital signal (HDMI namely) over zone 2/3? This would be major, but im probably beating a dead horse

You never know the answer until they make the user's manual available. Certainly people have requested this feature.

Just see this paragraph online:
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3 source / 3 zone output
The AVR-3312CI lets you enjoy a program source in the Main Zone (the room where the AVR-3312CI is located) and in 2 other rooms. The source can be the same for all zones, or you can enjoy 3 different sources in those zones if you prefer. The Denon Remote App controls all the zones from anywhere in the home making multi-room audio so much easier to enjoy.
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post #197 of 551
4/12/11 at 1:13pm
yea thats what I read and wanted to confirm! I really hope this is an option... it would solve all KINDS of issues for me right now, is it REALLY that hard to implement anyways???
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post #198 of 551
4/12/11 at 1:24pm
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Originally Posted by 12ga View Post

I compared a onkyo 608 to a denon 1911 and the amps sounded unlike, the onkyo amps sounded full and the denon amps sound hollow, the low end of the denon amps was missing at best. Onkyo amps in these price range are so much better its not even funny, denon is a embarrassment even with chinese shandards.

low end certainly isnt missing on my 2311... I have one of each, perhaps ill do a head to head comparison in my freetime.

next question, is it possible to still get full 7.1 and ALSO be able to bi-amp the front stage instead of using the heights? i guess this would apply to the 3311 as well...
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post #199 of 551
4/12/11 at 1:27pm
Custom Features
• Phono input
• 7.2 ch preout
• 11 ch Speaker terminals
• Digital audio into zone preout
• Zone 2 and 3 Video outputs

That part too
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post #200 of 551
4/12/11 at 1:32pm
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

next question, is it possible to still get full 7.1 and ALSO be able to bi-amp the front stage instead of using the heights? i guess this would apply to the 3311 as well...

The 33XX series are 7.2 AVRs ... so no.

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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

Custom Features
Phono input
7.2 ch preout
11 ch Speaker terminals
Digital audio into zone preout
Zone 2 and 3 Video outputs

That part too

This has not changed in any of the 33XX series ... PCM 2.0 over optical/digital coax to Zones 2/3 or to Zone preouts.
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post #201 of 551
4/12/11 at 1:35pm
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Originally Posted by 12ga View Post

I compared a onkyo 608 to a denon 1911 and the amps sounded unlike, the onkyo amps sounded full and the denon amps sound hollow, the low end of the denon amps was missing at best. Onkyo amps in these price range are so much better its not even funny, denon is a embarrassment even with chinese shandards.

Looks like Pocketcash created a new ID so he could post in the amp forum again.
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post #202 of 551
4/12/11 at 1:37pm
Crapfish...


I know we just talked about that in the other thread, just wasnt sure about the new models. back to square one

when is the availability on these do we know yet?
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post #203 of 551
4/12/11 at 1:39pm
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

low end certainly isnt missing on my 2311... I have one of each, perhaps ill do a head to head comparison in my freetime.

next question, is it possible to still get full 7.1 and ALSO be able to bi-amp the front stage instead of using the heights? i guess this would apply to the 3311 as well...

I don't think that is possible but you wont be missing anything. Biamping like that does nothing. You won't notice any difference.

Your theater is awesome man. That screen is huge!
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post #204 of 551
4/12/11 at 1:45pm
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Originally Posted by beastaudio View Post

Crapfish...


I know we just talked about that in the other thread, just wasnt sure about the new models. back to square one

when is the availability on these do we know yet?

Yup .. no real changes in the 3312 as noted already.

1712, 2212, 2312, 3312 - June
1312, 1612, 1912 - May
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post #205 of 551
4/12/11 at 1:51pm
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Originally Posted by mjpearce023 View Post

I don't think that is possible but you wont be missing anything. Biamping like that does nothing. You won't notice any difference.

Your theater is awesome man. That screen is huge!

Thanks for the compliment, did every bit of it myself! With the exception of having a dedicated plug pulled Its been a tremendous work in progress but I dont intend on that stopping anytime soon

Seems like as soon as one aspect finishes, i get a bright new idea for something else. Wouldnt have it any other way tho!!
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post #206 of 551
4/12/11 at 1:52pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Yup .. no real changes in the 3312 as noted already.
1712, 2212, 2312, 3312 - June
1312, 1612, 1912 - May

Hmmm Big Picture article stated May for the IN-Command receiver series.
Twice had this posted
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In Denon's core line of A/V receivers there are four new models: AVR-1312 (SRP: $249.99), AVR-1612 (SRP: $349.99) and AVR-1912 (SRP: $529.99), scheduled for April availability, as well as the AVR-1712 (SRP: $399.99), scheduled for June availability.

Seems like a month earlier pretty much across the board? Guess it would be nice to see a real press release.
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post #207 of 551
4/12/11 at 5:45pm
Hello all, I've been looking at the AVR-3312CI for a replacement to my awesome (but aging) AVR-3200. My question is the THX mode, the Denon website mentions THX Ultra2-Certified but no check mark next to that saying it has it, I'm also questioning Ultra 2 on a sub 1k receiver, select sounds more correct to me.
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post #208 of 551
4/12/11 at 5:55pm
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Originally Posted by 12ga View Post

Newbie, s-video, but thats not all, the amp are not full range rated.

S-video? Seriously? I bet you are pissed the Fahnestock clips and ADAT connections are no longer used as well, right?

And where is the XLR connector! Anyone who thinks old, useless, connectors should be removed is a nub!!
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post #209 of 551
4/12/11 at 7:00pm
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Originally Posted by ToppDogg View Post

Hello all, I've been looking at the AVR-3312CI for a replacement to my awesome (but aging) AVR-3200. My question is the THX mode, the Denon website mentions THX Ultra2-Certified but no check mark next to that saying it has it, I'm also questioning Ultra 2 on a sub 1k receiver, select sounds more correct to me.

Denon uses the same spec sheet for every model. If the item isn't checked off, it's not a feature (although there are many errors on their spec sheets from last year's models and some on the new ones as well). The only current model that is THX certified is the flagship 5308 at $5500 MSRP.
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post #210 of 551
4/12/11 at 7:57pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Denon uses the same spec sheet for every model. If the item isn't checked off, it's not a feature (although there are many errors on their spec sheets from last year's models and some on the new ones as well). The only current model that is THX certified is the flagship 5308 at $5500 MSRP.

Damn how does Denon make the sale without THX? I'm back to researching this more now, also questioning why I think I want THX, I think it's because Onkyo, Pioneer, Yamaha offer it for the comparable receiver.
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