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post #361 of 551
^^^^

Thanks man. I didn't see anything on Denon's website about it so I figured that was the case. I still might get one because I won't be watching a lot of 3D. It would just be a cool feature to have.
post #362 of 551
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Originally Posted by hehateme View Post

Hi:

I am a long Denon fan. Currently own Denon 3808CI and 4306.
I am finishing the basement so looking for a new AV receiver.
Basement will finish in the end of June. So I will need a receiver at that time.
I had my mind made up on Denon 4311CI but I saw the new announcements about new receivers.
How much better is Denon 4312CI going to be? Is it worth it to wait for 3-4 months?

Consider that the 4312 will more than likely continue the 43xx tradition of being made in Japan and that the earthquake will have thus disrupted R&D, if not production. What was planned for Oct/2011 may turn out to be Feb/2012.
post #363 of 551
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Originally Posted by rakosnicek View Post

Consider that the 4312 will more than likely continue the 43xx tradition of being made in Japan and that the earthquake will have thus disrupted R&D, if not production. What was planned for Oct/2011 may turn out to be Feb/2012.

This was the last bit of news that way I've seen: http://www.audiotrends.com.au/index.php?page_id=81

Did D&M get their Shirakawa plant to be safe enough to continue manufacturing by late March is a good question? They do have their engineering located in a another undamaged site also, so worse thing that could happen is push some more manufacturing to China.
post #364 of 551
I was all set to purchase my second AV Receiver. My Onkyo TX-SR502 is six years old and I want to upgrade to a receiver with HDMI. I was all set to buy the Pioneer VSX-1021-K over the Onkyo TX-NR609 because of the Airplay feature. But now Denon has Airplay in their sub-$1000 receivers. So my question is, which one will be better, the VSX-1021-K or the Denon AVR-2112CI?
post #365 of 551
Both very good options, tough call and no useful way to answer without knowing a whole lot more about your situation. Even then, it probably wouldn't be a slam dunk in favor of either one.
post #366 of 551
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Originally Posted by roy2115 View Post

I was all set to purchase my second AV Receiver. My Onkyo TX-SR502 is six years old and I want to upgrade to a receiver with HDMI. I was all set to buy the Pioneer VSX-1021-K over the Onkyo TX-NR609 because of the Airplay feature. But now Denon has Airplay in their sub-$1000 receivers. So my question is, which one will be better, the VSX-1021-K or the Denon AVR-2112CI?

No sure this can be answered until folks actually get either of these models in their hands for objective comparison. A spec sheet alone does nothing but tell us what the units should have not what actually works.
post #367 of 551
I am curious, does "Audyssey Pro" (which comes with the new 3312) have the same measurement resolution of XT or is it on par with XT32?
post #368 of 551
^^^

it is "audyssey pro ready"... it does not come with "audyssey pro", it comes with xt...
post #369 of 551
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^

it is "audyssey pro ready"... it does not come with "audyssey pro", it comes with xt...

Sure, so if you buy Audyssey Pro (which is what, like 100$?) does that actually give you more control still compared to XT32?
post #370 of 551
Audyssey Pro costs $500 for the software and another $150 for the license for each AVR it's used on.

The Audyssey Pro kit uses whatever version of Audyssey filtering is available on the "Pro ready" AVR (XT or XT 32) ... additionally it offers more detailed stats and adjustments as well as up to 32 mic positions and a better calibrated mic.
post #371 of 551
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Audyssey Pro costs $500 for the software and another $150 for the license for each AVR it's used on.

The Audyssey Pro kit uses whatever version of Audyssey filtering is available on the "Pro ready" AVR (XT or XT 32) ... additionally it offers more detailed stats and adjustments as well as up to 32 mic positions and a better calibrated mic.

Ouch! Guess my new AVR will have XT32 then
post #372 of 551
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Audyssey Pro costs $500 for the software ...

also comes with mike, mike preamp, nice mike stand, and cables.
post #373 of 551
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^

it is "audyssey pro ready"... it does not come with "audyssey pro", it comes with xt...

I see you've gone to the "Other" side.

I don't understand why they don't have an Audyssey upgrade for the 4810 when they have one coming soon for the AVR-5308CI and the AVP-A1HDCI models.
post #374 of 551
Mic, not Mike

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Originally Posted by noah katz View Post
also comes with mike, mike preamp, nice mike stand, and cables.
Anyway I am long time supporter of Denon, had the 5800 years ago and upgraded to the 5308ci a couple years ago, everything has been perfect and I am glad they are offering an upgrade instead of a new replacement. Even the 5800 was touted as future-proof .

Anyway I need a new receiver for our living room and thinking the 1912 will be a perfect match.
post #375 of 551
My local Fry's has the 1312, 1612 and 1912 on the shelves now, no demo models on display yet. Maybe tomorrow or Thursday.
post #376 of 551
So....I can get a new AVR-991 for not much more than $600 online....Should I bother with anything from the new lineup, or jump on the 991?

Going to be running 7.2 with Martin Logan Motion 10's for LCR and then four Motion 2's for my surrounds, and twin Velodyne VDR-12's...

Don't care about multi-zone.

Was thinking the power of the 991 would be best as the ML's can draw a lot.

Anything else I should be considering around this price from Denon or anyone else?

40% TV, 40% movies, 20% gaming

Thanks guys!
post #377 of 551
Im having the 1912 delivered to my house today! Im pretty excited.
post #378 of 551
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Originally Posted by HingisFan View Post

So....I can get a new AVR-991 for not much more than $600 online....Should I bother with anything from the new lineup, or jump on the 991?

At that price the 991 is likely your better choice as long as you buy it from an authorized reseller in case you need warranty work done on the network card. The 2112CI (90W, MSRP $599) will offer Airplay (installed), 3rd year of warranty, and be able to display the GUI over 3D video. The 991 offers DSX (wide, height). The power difference won't be noticable unless you play at well above reference level volume (ie. above 0db).
post #379 of 551
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Originally Posted by Mike C View Post

Anyway I am long time supporter of Denon, had the 5800 years ago and upgraded to the 5308ci a couple years ago, everything has been perfect and I am glad they are offering an upgrade instead of a new replacement. Even the 5800 was touted as future-proof .

I agree. I think it's a great thing that Denon is offering for those owners of the 5803 to upgrade.

Future Proof may have been a poor choice of wording on the 5800, maybe Future Ready would have been more appropriate.

Even so, I will still give kudos to the Denon engineers for what they did at the time by including 8 channel inputs that are all controlled by the master volume.

Sure, it doesn't have HDMI or Audyssey; but by adding an external 2-channel amp and a Blu-ray player that has 7.1 analog outs, owners of that 12 year old receiver can still enjoy the latest sound codecs that are currently available on Blu-ray.

I've been on the fence between a 4810 & a 4311 for some time now and still can't make up my mind on what I want. So in the meantime I'm still plugging along with my trusty 3300 by using it's 7.1 inputs to keep up-to-date.
post #380 of 551
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

The 2112CI (90W, MSRP $599) will offer Airplay (installed), 3rd year of warranty, and be able to display the GUI over 3D video.

actually as far as I can tell the "GUI over 3D video" is limited to 2312 and up (the model with the "Advanced GUI"). The 2112 has the "basic GUI", it looks like a souped-up 1912 with MultEQ XT and the CI / "In command" features (RS-232, room-to-room RC jack, Zone 2 pre-outs).
post #381 of 551
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Originally Posted by Brent A View Post


I've been on the fence between a 4810 & a 4311 for some time now and still can't make up my mind on what I want. So in the meantime I'm still plugging along with my trusty 3300 by using it's 7.1 inputs to keep up-to-date.

Same boat here, got tired of it and just received my 4810 yesterday. :-)

Onecall has a very solid price and they have stock. E expo too.
post #382 of 551
So much for the authorized resellers having to stick to MSRP prices on the XX12 models ... Vann's is already offering the 1912 for 20% off right out of the gate.
post #383 of 551
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

So much for the authorized resellers having to stick to MSRP prices on the XX12 models ... Vann's is already offering the 1912 for 20% off right out of the gate.

I am not sure how this will affect retailers either. As a retailer we have been told nothing in regards to any new pricing structure, we can still discount receivers as we see fit.
As I understand the new pricing structure relates to online pricing. Previous to this "new" pricing structure any authorized dealer always listed them at full MSRP but was free to sell them for whatever they wanted. UMRP is different, those cannot be changed, ie BOSE, POLK, Electrolux to name a few. Denon has not imposed UMRP pricing.

If I can get any info from my rep I will update here.
post #384 of 551
Can somebody confirm how th Airplay works in the 1912? From what I´ve read and what I assume it basivally requires to have the AVR´s network standby enabled. Then I just start playing through Airplay and the AVR powers on (if its in standby) switches to the correct input (some sort of network input I assume). Is there any way to have the AVR to power off if the Airplay havent been used for x minutes or do I manually have to turn the AVR of?
post #385 of 551
^^
You'll have to either manually turn it off or set the SLEEP TIMER to turn it off.
post #386 of 551
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Originally Posted by Nighthawk68 View Post

UMRP is different, those cannot be changed, ie BOSE, POLK, Electrolux to name a few.

Electrolux? I thought this was a vacuum cleaner.
post #387 of 551
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Originally Posted by rynberg View Post

Same boat here, got tired of it and just received my 4810 yesterday. :-)

Onecall has a very solid price and they have stock. E expo too.

While we still have you here, how 'bout cleaning up the mess you made ....

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Originally Posted by rynberg View Post

Check out the review of the 3311 over at Secrets....JEJ has measurements showing exactly what you are talking about.

People that think the amp quality is the same or better in modern receivers under $2k are deluding themselves.

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Originally Posted by ibuyufo View Post

I'm guessing some people along with myself have no idea what you're talking about. Could you give a link?

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Originally Posted by jtchambliss View Post

I think he's talking about this article:
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/recei...-receiver.html

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Originally Posted by CruelInventions View Post

... but that's for the 3310 not the 3311. I don't see anything about the new 3311 there.
post #388 of 551
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While we still have you here, how 'bout cleaning up the mess you made ....

Sure, I meant the 3310, not the 3311. Given that the 3310 has significantly higher power consumption than the 3311, and even the 4311, I would say the current models would fare even worse than the 3310!
post #389 of 551
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Originally Posted by rynberg View Post

Sure, I meant the 3310, not the 3311. Given that the 3310 has significantly higher power consumption than the 3311, and even the 4311, I would say the current models would fare even worse than the 3310!

Ahhhhh are we going to start this kinda discussion again?

2809 28 lb, 3.5 oz consumes 6.0 amps max
3310 28 lb, 7 oz consumes 7.0 amps max
3311 26 lb, 14.3 oz consumes 670 watts max
3312 26 lb, consumes 670 watts max
4311 38 lb, 2.2 oz, consumes 780 watts max

I just listed the last four receivers of the same Denon AVR class compared to the 4311. Notice the big step up in weight, and the 4311 is designed to supply continuous power to 4 ohm speakers which none of the other four can do. I really don't care if the 3310 manual says it uses 7.0 amp max, as that has nothing to do with the capability or the efficiency of the power amp. The 2809 was rated 115 watts per channel, the 3310 rated at 120 watts, the 3311 rated at 125 watts per channel. But to think that the 4311 which is rated at 140 watts per channel x 9 is less then the 3310 x7 output is not logical based on the AC max current spec.

Maybe the 3310 front panel lights are just too inefficient, hence a energy hog!
post #390 of 551
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Originally Posted by Perpendicular View Post

Electrolux? I thought this was a vacuum cleaner.

well I threw that in there just for the heck of it BTW they do appliances, not just vacuum cleaners, higher end appliances actually. And the company I work for also sells appliances as well as hometheater.
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