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post #211 of 4130
4/6/11 at 10:17pm
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Originally Posted by pneumatic

So when you can't win you just ignore people. Great attitude.

First, you start by saying no competent calibrator would use 2.4 because it's "cartoonish". Except whoops, 2.4 is what studio monitors use, so you're wrong there. Then, you go on to say 2.3 gamma is best because of the ABL. Except ABL isn't in use the vast majority of the time so that argument holds no water either.

So, in the end you haven't provided any actual reason why you think 2.4 is wrong. This is despite the scientific evidence which clearly states 2.4 is needed for proper brightness levels in a dimly lit room.

Sadly, people are still going to believe you because of your reputation. In this case however, your reputation is greater than your talent.
Like he said. You clearly don't understand the point in an ignore list. YOUR ON IT. Making your pointless ranting even more pointless. Thankfully. You've been added to mine as well. Suggest others do the same here cause this guy just doesn't get the picture. Just let him "win" whatever it is he'd like to.
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post #212 of 4130
4/6/11 at 10:54pm
Grown men arguing and ignoring each other over GAMMA DEBATES. Jesus Christ.
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post #213 of 4130
4/7/11 at 3:43am
ya, this is getting out of hand. This entire thread has been about gamma issues and turned out of control around page 4.

I'm wondering what makes the gt30 worth the price jump over the st30?
What i've gathered so far, and correct me if i'm wrong without using the word gamma, is that in a dark room the gt30 will have a shade or two darker black, it offers a THX mode, and the panel is slimmer. Am i missing anything else? Does the gt30 by any chance offer a higher brightness output (again, please hold off on gamma complaints), an extra anti glare or ambient light filter, or possibly a better/extra processor?

I'm just trying to justify why anyone would buy the 50" gt30 when the 55" st30 can be had for $100 less?
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post #214 of 4130
4/7/11 at 5:50am
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I'm just trying to justify why anyone would buy the 50" gt30 when the 55" st30 can be had for $100 less?
Bigger is better up to 65" for me. Anything bigger, I would get a projector

Cheers
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post #215 of 4130
4/7/11 at 6:05am
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Originally Posted by maygit View Post
ya, this is getting out of hand. This entire thread has been about gamma issues and turned out of control around page 4.

I'm wondering what makes the gt30 worth the price jump over the st30?
What i've gathered so far, and correct me if i'm wrong without using the word gamma, is that in a dark room the gt30 will have a shade or two darker black, it offers a THX mode, and the panel is slimmer. Am i missing anything else? Does the gt30 by any chance offer a higher brightness output (again, please hold off on gamma complaints), an extra anti glare or ambient light filter, or possibly a better/extra processor?

I'm just trying to justify why anyone would buy the 50" gt30 when the 55" st30 can be had for $100 less?
It has an extra HDMI input too.
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post #216 of 4130
4/7/11 at 6:56am
Reality Forum...The new Reality TV. Think about it. Sorry couldn't pass it up.
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post #217 of 4130
4/7/11 at 7:29am
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

It has an extra HDMI input too.

Im sure this is enough to sway many, but I'll just head over to Monoprice and pick up a 4X HDMI switch for ~$30(6 total, more than many will every need), take my extra 5" of screen real estate, and my $70 savings(after the switch), and skip along merrily to my mancave to enjoy what appears to be a better image(GT30 apparent gamma issues, floating whites). The ST30 may be this year's plasma bang for the buck.
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post #218 of 4130
4/7/11 at 11:51pm
http://www.avforums.com/review/Panas...TV-Review.html
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post #219 of 4130
4/8/11 at 7:24am
Does Panasonic 3D glasses this year work with last years sets? They look they are going to work so much better then last years sets. At least be more comfortable.
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post #220 of 4130
4/8/11 at 11:09am
What does THX (the company) actually do these days? I thought when something had THX certification that the product was tested by THX and met their requirements. It use to be that way with audio. Seems like Panasonic ponied up the money for the sticker and THX gave it to them without any testing. THX fail.
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post #221 of 4130
4/8/11 at 5:46pm
This thread is slowly dieing. The ST30 got much better reception than the GT30 it seems. Doesn't help when when you hype a TV up only to have it perform worse than your low end models. LOL.
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post #222 of 4130
4/8/11 at 8:44pm
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Originally Posted by senkoskipper View Post

This thread is slowly dieing. The ST30 got much better reception than the GT30 it seems. Doesn't help when when you hype a TV up only to have it perform worse than your low end models. LOL.

I think most of the good GT30 discussion is going on in the "other forum."
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post #223 of 4130
4/8/11 at 9:21pm
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Originally Posted by JukeBox360 View Post

Does Panasonic 3D glasses this year work with last years sets? They look they are going to work so much better then last years sets. At least be more comfortable.

Last years glasses work on this years models, so i don't see why this years glasses wont work on last years models. The technology and syncing is the same between this years and last, i think there was just a design change cuz the 2010 glasses always felt like they were going to fall of your face.
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post #224 of 4130
4/8/11 at 10:06pm
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Originally Posted by maygit View Post

ya, this is getting out of hand. This entire thread has been about gamma issues and turned out of control around page 4.

I'm wondering what makes the gt30 worth the price jump over the st30?
What i've gathered so far, and correct me if i'm wrong without using the word gamma, is that in a dark room the gt30 will have a shade or two darker black, it offers a THX mode, and the panel is slimmer. Am i missing anything else? Does the gt30 by any chance offer a higher brightness output (again, please hold off on gamma complaints), an extra anti glare or ambient light filter, or possibly a better/extra processor?

I'm just trying to justify why anyone would buy the 50" gt30 when the 55" st30 can be had for $100 less?

The GT30 has better detailing, much better blacks, and those two impact overall picture quality dramatically with much better contrast.

I would go for it.
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post #225 of 4130
4/8/11 at 10:08pm
Can somebody PM me what the "other forum" is?
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post #226 of 4130
4/9/11 at 9:14am
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Originally Posted by nlpearman View Post

Can somebody PM me what the "other forum" is?

**************. This forum's rules are beyond anal.

EDIT: LOL^. unreal.
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post #227 of 4130
4/9/11 at 9:30am
i read some where that panny will have a fix for the brigthness fluctuation in a few weeks
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post #228 of 4130
4/9/11 at 9:58am
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Originally Posted by tazz3 View Post

i read some where that panny will have a fix for the brightness fluctuation in a few weeks

If so that would be huge news - but i haven't seen that mentioned anywhere.

Do you have link to where you read that?
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post #229 of 4130
4/9/11 at 11:50am
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Originally Posted by sadmaker View Post

**************. This forum's rules are beyond anal.

EDIT: LOL^. unreal.

LOL, I know what you mean. I've never been to North Korea but i'd imagine it like AVS forums The other forums is what freedom is all about.
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post #230 of 4130
4/9/11 at 12:03pm
Anyone know if CMS adjustments are available in service mode? I saw that the UK model has them in the user menu.
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post #231 of 4130
4/9/11 at 12:30pm
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Originally Posted by tazz3 View Post

i read some where that panny will have a fix for the brigthness fluctuation in a few weeks

HAHA that's funny. People also said "a few weeks" to the rising and floating black issues. Same old game
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post #232 of 4130
4/9/11 at 1:41pm
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Originally Posted by zoyd View Post

Anyone know if CMS adjustments are available in service mode? I saw that the UK model has them in the user menu.


Zoyd,

I've been closely following the information about the NA GT30 here and at HDJ. There has been no mention about a CMS in the service menu. It would indeed be nice to have it though.

Larry
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post #233 of 4130
4/9/11 at 1:49pm
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Originally Posted by LarryInRI View Post

Zoyd,

I've been closely following the information about the NA GT30 here and at HDJ. There has been no mention about a CMS in the service menu. It would indeed be nice to have it though.

Larry

I don't think it is, I just checked the service manual and it has the same old RGB cut/drive, color, tint etc. that's now available in the Pro settings under the user menu. I don't understand why the UK models get the CMS adjustments and the US model don't. Looking at the user manual for the GT30B (UK) and they get the full set of RBG HSL adjustments.
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post #234 of 4130
4/9/11 at 1:59pm
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Originally Posted by zoyd View Post

I don't think it is, I just checked the service manual and it has the same old RGB cut/drive, color, tint etc. that's now available in the Pro settings under the user menu. I don't understand why the UK models get the CMS adjustments and the US model don't. Looking at the user manual for the GT30B (UK) and they get the full set of RBG HSL adjustments.


I don't have the service manual yet but what you say is a downer. My eyes popped when I saw the screen shot of the UK RGB HSL controls. Oh well...


Larry
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post #235 of 4130
4/9/11 at 2:01pm
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Originally Posted by Vader182 View Post

The GT30 has better detailing, much better blacks, and those two impact overall picture quality dramatically with much better contrast.

I would go for it.

Hi, Vader. I think the detailing thing was the difference in gamma, but yeah, I agree about the blacks.

Are you still going with the VT30?
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post #236 of 4130
4/9/11 at 2:05pm
pneumatic, when a company actually makes a display that produces a picture like a studio monitor, then I could see the point in 2.4.

To be honest though, there are times, that I prefer the 2.4 setting on my ST30 during night viewing.

I can see how the 2.2 v. 2.35 debate has continued on.
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post #237 of 4130
4/9/11 at 2:42pm
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Originally Posted by maygit View Post


Last years glasses work on this years models, so i don't see why this years glasses wont work on last years models. The technology and syncing is the same between this years and last, i think there was just a design change cuz the 2010 glasses always felt like they were going to fall of your face.

Well that's good new. I can't stand the glasses on my set. A redesign is something needed. I do wish they made 3D glasses the same way LG and Vizio did. it's like 10 bucks for a pair and they are much more comfortable to me then anything else out there.
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post #238 of 4130
4/9/11 at 2:56pm
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Originally Posted by LarryInRI View Post

I don't have the service manual yet but what you say is a downer. My eyes popped when I saw the screen shot of the UK RGB HSL controls. Oh well...


Larry

I still might get this panel, need to research how accurate the color is. If you need the SM, you can get it here.
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post #239 of 4130
4/9/11 at 3:27pm
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Originally Posted by zoyd View Post

I still might get this panel, need to research how accurate the color is. If you need the SM, you can get it here.


I might get it also. That's why I've been following the discussions so carefully. Thanks for the link -- I forgot about that source.

Larry
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post #240 of 4130
4/9/11 at 3:30pm
Thread Starter 
I got my first look at a GT30 this morning at Paul's TV. It was placed above eye level so i couldn't get close enough to it to inspect the bezel, but from a few feet away it looked like there is no silver strip surrounding the screen, and if there is a strip it's just a sliver - but it really didn't look like there was any silver at all. That picture of the UK GT30 that i posted earlier in this thread has a very pronounced silver trim but that is not how the US version looks. And the face of the bezel was smooth shiny black plastic similar to the ST30, not the brushed aluminum look on the UK version.

I did see some image light reflecting on the inner edge where the bezel meets the actual glass screen on brighter content standing off angle but on dark content i detected no reflections. The effect is just like on my PZ700U so i could live with it.

I did not like the silver edging around the outer edge - it actually made the TV look cheap. The ST30 bezel, although being about a half inch thicker all around, looked more high end (dare i say more Pioneer-like?).

The big problem i saw though was the side-facing HDMI inputs. They had one standard thickness HDMI cable and one thinner HDMI cable plugged into it and they both were plainly visible from straight on, and i wasn't able to bend either cable sharp enough to keep them from sticking out beyond the side of the bezel. I'm a bit astounded that they chose side facing inputs as well as having them inset only about 4 inches from the edge. Since i sit off to the left of my TV as it is, i would have to find some super flexible HDMI cables in order for this TV to work in my room as i would not want to be seeing bent HDMI cables poking out from the edge.
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