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post #241 of 4130
4/9/11 at 5:24pm
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

The big problem i saw though was the side-facing HDMI inputs. They had one standard thickness HDMI cable and one thinner HDMI cable plugged into it and they both were plainly visible from straight on, and i wasn't able to bend either cable sharp enough to keep them from sticking out beyond the side of the bezel. I'm a bit astounded that they chose side facing inputs as well as having them inset only about 4 inches from the edge. Since i sit off to the left of my TV as it is, i would have to find some super flexible HDMI cables in order for this TV to work in my room as i would not want to be seeing bent HDMI cables poking out from the edge.

What's funny is when I was first deciding which tv to get (the ST or GT), I originally thought that the side facing hdmi inputs on the GT were fantastic. But I keep hearing how they aren't deep enough into the tv to hide the cables. That could be a deal breaker for many people on the GT, unless they use a 90 degree connector and run their cable through their walls.
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post #242 of 4130
4/9/11 at 5:36pm
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Please note that measurement was with about 6 hours on the panel and there were visable sparkles in the background that I expect to disappear one the display has more hours on it.

The only thing I'm disappointed with on the GT30 so far is the gamma (1.9). Unfortunately, that will not change as the panel ages


This review http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.p...&id=1300800238 Stated:

In the THX mode I measured gamma from 2.2 to 2.3, which is not 100 % accurate but very close to our 2.2 target. The color deviations are also very small. The color temperature is a bit too low, however. This gave us slightly too warm and reddish pictures.

In any case to the naked eye if one did not measure would you even notice? Or are we wall getting rather nit picky? Held off to get this years model hope this was not a mistake??
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post #243 of 4130
4/9/11 at 5:53pm
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Hi, Vader. I think the detailing thing was the difference in gamma, but yeah, I agree about the blacks.

Are you still going with the VT30?

I am indeed. Incredibly excited
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post #244 of 4130
4/9/11 at 7:43pm
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Originally Posted by ozcot View Post
This review http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.p...&id=1300800238 Stated:

In the THX mode I measured gamma from 2.2 to 2.3, which is not 100 % accurate but very close to our 2.2 target. The color deviations are also very small. The color temperature is a bit too low, however. This gave us slightly too warm and reddish pictures.

In any case to the naked eye if one did not measure would you even notice? Or are we wall getting rather nit picky? Held off to get this years model hope this was not a mistake??


So will the real gamma please stand up?
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post #245 of 4130
4/9/11 at 7:50pm
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So will the real gamma please stand up?
D-Nice measured 1.9 with the GT30 with standard size test patterns, 2.2 with smaller 10% size windows.
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post #246 of 4130
4/9/11 at 7:52pm
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Originally Posted by pcdo View Post
I think most of the good GT30 discussion is going on in the "other forum."
And the ST has been out longer. Saw the GT yesterday. Pretty nice, although the store had it in 3D mode and I couldn't figure out how to change it. Looks really sharp, better than the G25 (talking bezel etc.). That silver trim line looks cool to me, as long as it doesn't reflect.
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post #247 of 4130
4/9/11 at 9:24pm
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Originally Posted by gmarceau View Post
pneumatic, when a company actually makes a display that produces a picture like a studio monitor, then I could see the point in 2.4.
The displays with a 10 point gamma control can do it easily. Here's the gamma chart from my 58C7000:



There are no problems with shadow detail at this setting (17+ fully visible, 235+ fully visible).

Chad B has recently calibrated to 2.4 on a UN46D8000:

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The measurements after calibration are outstanding! I did find that calibrating to a gamma target of 2.4 gave a more lifelike image than my normal target of 2.22.


I wish more people would calibrate to 2.4 and report their findings. A common complaint I read is that shadow detail is crushed. This is usually due to the Brightness control needing to go up a few clicks to compensate for the new gamma setting.

Cheers
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post #248 of 4130
4/10/11 at 4:50am
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Originally Posted by jmpage2 View Post

D-Nice measured 1.9 with the GT30 with standard size test patterns, 2.2 with smaller 10% size windows.

Ok which one is the correct reading D-Nice or the reading from the review?? Was D-Nice accurate or was the professional review one accurate??

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/pictures...0-efter-2l.jpg
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post #249 of 4130
4/10/11 at 9:38am
D-Nice from the "other forum" aka HDJ.

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Also, I have figured out how David @ HDTVTest.com got 2.2.... its all in the windowed pattern size. Using the small APL windowed patterns on the AVS709 disc, I easily got 2.2 in THX, Cinema and Custom mode (Gamma setting of 2.2 in Custom). However, using my Accupel 4000... which actually has the standard windowed pattern sizes... I get 1.9. My take on this is Panasonic is using small windowed patterns (around the 4% size) to get this displays THX certified as THX uses similar sized windowed patterns. Not sure who approved this, but it is flat out wrong.
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post #250 of 4130
4/10/11 at 11:51am
Ok so does the 1.9 Gama issue make THX mode useless? Is it a deal breaker? Was all set to buy this set. Should I rethink my plans. So far every review loves the set stating how great the blacks and picture is including SD. How HD is incredible. What is the visual diffrence if the Gamma was at 2.2.
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post #251 of 4130
4/10/11 at 12:39pm
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Originally Posted by ozcot View Post

Ok so does the 1.9 Gama issue make THX mode useless? Is it a deal breaker? Was all set to buy this set. Should I rethink my plans. So far every review loves the set stating how great the blacks and picture is including SD. How HD is incredible. What is the visual diffrence if the Gamma was at 2.2.

From what I've been reading, going with the GT30 will still get you a PQ improvement over the ST30 (if you were going that route) since the GT30 still has lower black levels thus better PQ. You can then run the GT30 in custom mode with calibrated settings, until Panasonic tries to fix the problem with gamma in THX mode (not certain if it will be fixed).

The gamma difference basically means that too low a gamma will cause the image to lose a bit of it's pop/dimensionality as well as coming out/in of black too soon.
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post #252 of 4130
4/10/11 at 12:59pm
apologize if this has been mentioned already.
I did a quick search in all the places I think are relevant.

I just preordered a 60" GT30. Wanted to get some advice on a wall mount.
I will probably order one from Monoprice, just wanted to make sure there weren't any "gotchas" with these new pannys. Like an odd mount pattern on the back of the tv or something.

thanks for any advice.
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post #253 of 4130
4/10/11 at 2:53pm
Can somebody please help sum up this "bug" with the GT30 for me, and see if I have it right?

Basically, the GT30 when set to THX mode, produces lighter black levels and a "worse" gamma, meaning the PQ is not as bright???

So the only way to get around this for now is to set it on Custom, and try to emulate THX settings as best you can??

If so, doesn't this defeat one of the MAJOR purposes for getting a GT30 - for the out-of-the-box THX???
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post #254 of 4130
4/10/11 at 4:09pm
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

The big problem i saw though was the side-facing HDMI inputs. They had one standard thickness HDMI cable and one thinner HDMI cable plugged into it and they both were plainly visible from straight on, and i wasn't able to bend either cable sharp enough to keep them from sticking out beyond the side of the bezel. I'm a bit astounded that they chose side facing inputs as well as having them inset only about 4 inches from the edge. Since i sit off to the left of my TV as it is, i would have to find some super flexible HDMI cables in order for this TV to work in my room as i would not want to be seeing bent HDMI cables poking out from the edge.

I think we've discussed this before, but I think that I'm going to be going with these to counter this issue...

http://www.monoprice.com/products/su...&cs_id=1025012

Edit: Ooooo...maybe these would fit the bill better...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16812379002

-Bn
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post #255 of 4130
4/10/11 at 4:14pm
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Originally Posted by Robert311 View Post

What's funny is when I was first deciding which tv to get (the ST or GT), I originally thought that the side facing hdmi inputs on the GT were fantastic. But I keep hearing how they aren't deep enough into the tv to hide the cables. That could be a deal breaker for many people on the GT, unless they use a 90 degree connector and run their cable through their walls.

I'm currently using two Monoprice #3850 right angle adapters snapped together on my G10's side input to redirect the cable 180 degrees so it's flat behind the TV - this method should work the same on a GT30:




And this 360 degree swivel adapter looks like it would enable you to redirect the cables upward at an angle so they don't interfere with one another while keeping them away from the edge and out of sight:

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post #256 of 4130
4/10/11 at 4:18pm
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Originally Posted by XciteMe83 View Post

Can somebody please help sum up this "bug" with the GT30 for me, and see if I have it right?

Basically, the GT30 when set to THX mode, produces lighter black levels and a "worse" gamma, meaning the PQ is not as bright???

So the only way to get around this for now is to set it on Custom, and try to emulate THX settings as best you can??

If so, doesn't this defeat one of the MAJOR purposes for getting a GT30 - for the out-of-the-box THX???

IMO. YES.
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

I'm currently using two Monoprice #3850 angle adapters snapped together on my G10's side input to redirect the cable flat behind the TV - this method should work the same on a GT30:

I smell a nice DSLR
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post #257 of 4130
4/10/11 at 4:25pm
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I smell a nice DSLR

Wut's a DSLR?
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post #258 of 4130
4/10/11 at 4:42pm
Digital Single Lenx Reflex camera. Although I don't know what that has to do with the picture you posted...? My first thought is he was complimenting the quality of your photo, perhaps?
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post #259 of 4130
4/10/11 at 5:03pm
So is the GT30 on par with the VT25 series?? I just watched a video on youtubeon the GT30's brightness fluctuation but i did not see i watched the video 5 times. maybe my eyes are not that good lol
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post #260 of 4130
4/10/11 at 5:04pm
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Originally Posted by XciteMe83 View Post

Digital Single Lenx Reflex camera. Although I don't know what that has to do with the picture you posted...? My first thought is he was complimenting the quality of your photo, perhaps?

Exactly.
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post #261 of 4130
4/10/11 at 5:05pm
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Originally Posted by tazz3 View Post

So is the GT30 on par with the VT25 series??

Doubt it.
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post #262 of 4130
4/10/11 at 5:51pm
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Originally Posted by XciteMe83 View Post

Digital Single Lenx Reflex camera. Although I don't know what that has to do with the picture you posted...? My first thought is he was complimenting the quality of your photo, perhaps?

Ah, actually it's a Canon PowerShot SD750 pocket camera (Xmas gift) I don't know squat about cameras LOL
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post #263 of 4130
4/10/11 at 6:21pm
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

Ah, actually it's a Canon PowerShot SD750 pocket camera (Xmas gift) I don't know squat about cameras LOL

Wow, fooled me. Anywho. Nice quality.
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post #264 of 4130
4/10/11 at 6:29pm
Where the heck is the 55"?
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post #265 of 4130
4/10/11 at 7:09pm
Simple question... Right now the 50" GT30 is available and ready on Amazon, for a price below the MSRP.

The 55" model, however, is only available for pre-order and is not shipping yet. Its price is listed at the MSRP.

My question is, when the 55GT30 is finally available on Amazon for shipping, will they ALSO offer it at a price below the MSRP?
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post #266 of 4130
4/11/11 at 7:23am
TechRadar has put up a very good review of the UK 50" GT30. No mention of floating blacks or whites, but they do comment on slight banding and color bleed.

http://www.techradar.com/reviews/aud...view?artc_pg=1
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post #267 of 4130
4/11/11 at 4:35pm
I am trying to decide which is the right 3D tv to buy (GT30 maybe?), but I have to take into consideration that my tv will be sitting over my fireplace, which is approximately 5 feet above the floor. I can't tilt it since I will be using the tv stand, so wall mounting isn't an option. Viewing distance is about 10 feet away from the main couch, which is directly across from tv. But I do have two smaller couches to the left and right of the tv, which is where angled viewing comes into play. I just don't want to see any extra lines or ghosting that will make the 3d experience unfavorable. Will this be a problem with viewing 3d content?
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post #268 of 4130
4/12/11 at 8:41pm
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Where the heck is the 55"?

Should be in any day, the true question is where are the 60" and 65" ??
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post #269 of 4130
4/13/11 at 8:01am
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Should be in any day, the true question is where are the 60" and 65" ??

OK, so where are the 60" and 65" ST and GT's?

- Rich
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post #270 of 4130
4/13/11 at 9:07am
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Originally Posted by tazz3 View Post

So is the GT30 on par with the VT25 series?? I just watched a video on youtubeon the GT30's brightness fluctuation but i did not see i watched the video 5 times. maybe my eyes are not that good lol

Yes. Better IMO because the VT25 and other 2010 models have lighter black levels with mixed content on screen. The actual MLL on a black screen is slightly lower on the VT25 (.004 vs .005), but I doubt that difference is significant, especially since the GT30 keeps the .005 black level regardless of what is on screen.
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