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post #301 of 4163
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Originally Posted by H_Prestige View Post

Yes. Better IMO because the VT25 and other 2010 models have lighter black levels with mixed content on screen. The actual MLL on a black screen is slightly lower on the VT25 (.004 vs .005), but I doubt that difference is significant, especially since the GT30 keeps the .005 black level regardless of what is on screen.

thanks
post #302 of 4163
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Originally Posted by Dry Bones View Post

I have an older Pany Plasma, I believe one of the first 1080p models, purchased roughly in 2005-2006 I believe? 50 inch....

What is your TV's model number? (it's on the sticker on the rear cabinet).

FWIW, the first 1080p Panasonic was the PZ700U series which debuted in spring of 2007. If your TV was bought in 2005 or 2006 then it's a "720p" model as the 1080p models didn't exist yet.


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I was curious how Plasma technology has changed since then. I am looking for a new TV, probably slightly bigger, maybe 55 inches, and the majority of what I'm seeing out there in terms of popularity are newer LCDs.

Hondas and Hyundais are very popular too, but that doesn't mean they perform better than BMWs and Lexus. The big stores all push LCD and LED TV because they make higher profit margins on them, and they look better in harsh store lighting so it's easier to talk people into them. But in a home environment, a good Plasma looks better than any LCD or LED LCD. That's not to say that a good LCD/LED LCD won't look good in your home, but a good Plasma will look even better. So those folks that end up buying an LCD/LED LCD don't realize that a Plasma would have looked even better in their living room.

And a good Plasma costs a lot less than a comparable LED LCD of the same size and performance category.


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I definitely do not want an LCD, so I am wondering if newer plasma's, like a GT30, are really any different then my 6 year old Pany Plasma. I would hate to spend the money on a 55 or 60 GT30 and have virtually no difference other then size to a 6 year old tech

I own a 2005 720p Panny and a 2007 1080p PZ700U as well as a 2009 G10 and the G10 blows my older TVs away. And the new ST30 and GT30 series are even better than my G10. Plasmas have progressed a lot in the last 6 years. Huge improvement.


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Oh, I should note that I am speaking specifically on 2D picture quality. I don't care about internet connectivity, 3D, audio, etc.

3D ability is being automatically included in the mid-to-high-end models so if you want a good to great TV, it's going to be 3D capable whether you utilize it or not. 3D tech does benefit regular 2D viewing though so that's a good thing.
post #303 of 4163
Randy: The 2006 600U's were 1080P. I currently own a 65" 600U purchased in 11/06.
post #304 of 4163
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Originally Posted by dsinger View Post

Randy: The 2006 600U's were 1080P. I currently own a 65" 600U purchased in 11/06.

That's not correct - the PX600U is indeed 768p (now commonly referred to as "720p"). Why do you think it's a 1080p set?

Trust me, the PZ700U was their very first 1080p model
post #305 of 4163
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

That's not correct - the PX600U is indeed 768p (now commonly referred to as "720p"). Why do you think it's a 1080p set?

Trust me, the PZ700U was their very first 1080p model


Randy,

The 65px600u was a 1080 model. Smaller sizes were 768.
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...-31639089.html


Larry
post #306 of 4163
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Originally Posted by Robert311 View Post

No, there isn't. Just because a tv is capable of 3D, doesn't mean you need to purposely steer clear of a "3D tv". Don't think that these 3D tv's are "3D tv's". Think of them as 2D tv's that can also produce 3D. It's just the way the manufacturers are marketing the tv's. They could have marketed them as 600hz tv's, or internet tv's, or hdmi tv's, or sd card slot tv's, or super duper really thin tv's, etc.... you get it?

The truth is, as each year passes, more and more tv's will be made with the ability to do 3D. And so for those people who aren't educated, they think they should purposely steer clear of a 3D tv because "they don't want a 3D tv". But if you want a quality 2D tv, you're going to be getting a tv that can also do 3D. Make sense?

If you end up buying a 2011 non-3D plasma, then you're going to be getting an inferior product. For instance, Panasonic makes an X3, S30, ST30, GT30, and VT30. The X3 is a 720p non 3D plasma. It's garbage... don't even think about buying it. The S30 is a 1080p non 3D plasma. It's mediocre, but if you don't have a lot of money to spend on a plasma and just want "a tv", then I guess it could be ok. The ST30 is a 1080p 3D plasma that is superior to the S30 is many ways, AND it's only a few hundred dollars more... definitely worth it. The GT30 is a 1080p 3D plasma that is slightly better than the ST30 for a bit more money. And the VT30 is the top of the line 1080p 3D plasma that could end up being the best tv of 2011, but it will cost a pretty penny.

The best bang for your buck is the ST30. It's not that expensive for what you get, PLUS you get the added benefit of having 3D at your disposal if you ever feel like going down that road in the future.

So, if you steer clear of a plasma that doesn't have 3D, you're going to not spend as much, but you're getting a tv that's just not as good as it could be. Trust me, I'm not the only one who will tell you this.

Hope that helps.

Quoting your post, because it bears repetition for those who missed it the first time around. Well said!
post #307 of 4163
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Originally Posted by LarryInRI View Post

Randy, The 65px600u was a 1080 model. Smaller sizes were 768. Larry

Whoops, you're absolutely right. I was thinking about the 50" size and then completely forgot about the 65" size being true 1080p (i paid pretty much no attention to the big expensive models five years ago). My memory is usually better than that
post #308 of 4163
That was a weird year........
post #309 of 4163
Bottom line, is the 50GT30 worthwhile to buy/keep? Cons that I've gleaned are 1) inaccurate Gamma in THX mode 2) no "real" way to handle 24p correctly. Any other big gotcha's e.g. floating blacks?
post #310 of 4163
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Originally Posted by stm69 View Post

Bottom line, is the 50GT30 worthwhile to buy/keep? Cons that I've gleaned are 1) inaccurate Gamma in THX mode 2) no "real" way to handle 24p correctly. Any other big gotcha's e.g. floating blacks?

No floating blacks, but there is the reported Fluctuating Brightness issue which seems to be the biggest concern with this model.
post #311 of 4163
[quote=RandyWalters;20314805]No floating blacks, but there is the reported Fluctuating Brightness issue which seems to be the biggest concern with this model.[/QUOTE]

This is mostly in the GT30 line, we don't yet know about how widespread the issue is with the VT30 line.

The GT30 has variance with the problem, a relatively small group of sets have this issue, so anyone who wants the set, I recommend testing it in person with your own content or getting a full return policy.
post #312 of 4163
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

No floating blacks, but there is the reported Fluctuating Brightness issue which seems to be the biggest concern with this model.

If you check out the D7000 thread, this is happening with our Samsungs too.

What in the world is causing this? Is it something inherent to plasmas? I'm so highly annoyed with it.
post #313 of 4163
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Originally Posted by Zetherin View Post

If you check out the D7000 thread, this is happening with our Samsungs too.

What in the world is causing this? Is it something inherent to plasmas? I'm so highly annoyed with it.

Did you try to reset your samsung? Hold the exit button for 15 secs. It worked for my friend.
post #314 of 4163
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Originally Posted by hotskins View Post

Did you try to reset your samsung? Hold the exit button for 15 secs. It worked for my friend.

Yes, many of us have tried that - a factory reset followed by removing all Eco setting and that one Motion setting (not sure what the Panasonic equivalent to these are).

But, despite that, in brighter scenes with lots of white, I can see the brightness fluctuate a bit. It's noticeable if I look directly at the black bars during blu-ray movies. They turn greyish for a few seconds depending on the scene. Is this what you Panasonic guys are experiencing?
post #315 of 4163
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Originally Posted by Zetherin View Post

But, despite that, in brighter scenes with lots of white, I can see the brightness fluctuate a bit. It's noticeable if I look directly at the black bars during blu-ray movies. They turn greyish for a few seconds depending on the scene. Is this what you Panasonic guys are experiencing?

That sounds like floating blacks. The black bars will change in intensity of black from darker to lighter. It's common to see it in movies that are dark and have fast shifts from a dark scene to a brigther scene. Some movies that show it alot are Batman: The Dark Knight, some of the Harry potter movies, etc.
post #316 of 4163
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Originally Posted by fairchild99 View Post


That sounds like floating blacks. The black bars will change in intensity of black from darker to lighter. It's common to see it in movies that are dark and have fast shifts from a dark scene to a brigther scene. Some movies that show it alot are Batman: The Dark Knight, some of the Harry potter movies, etc.

Nope, there is actually a "floating whites" issue this year. It's actually an inverse of the floating blacks issue. I've read all of panasonics plasmas this year have it to some degree. Google "panasonic fluctuating brightness"
post #317 of 4163
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Originally Posted by shiarua View Post

Nope, there is actually a "floating whites" issue this year. It's actually an inverse of the floating blacks issue. I've read all of panasonics plasmas this year have it to some degree. Google "panasonic fluctuating brightness"

Yep, I'm aware of that issue as well with Panny's. I was referring to Zetherin and the issue which some users are experiencing with the new 2011 Samsung's (D6500, D7000, D8000)
post #318 of 4163
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Originally Posted by Kalani View Post

Quoting your post, because it bears repetition for those who missed it the first time around. Well said!

Thank you.

I feel that no one read my post and skipped right by it.
post #319 of 4163
Still wondering why the 55" version is still at full MSRP on a certain popular online retailer... When the 50" version is offered at a bargain price below MSRP.

Do we just have to wait for the 55" to be out for a while?
post #320 of 4163
^^^ Nope, there are other places to buy........
post #321 of 4163
Can you pm me where these places are?

Nevermind. Just noticed your user name.
post #322 of 4163
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

^^^ Nope, there are other places to buy........

Heh heh! Nice! Thanks.
post #323 of 4163
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Originally Posted by fairchild99 View Post

Yep, I'm aware of that issue as well with Panny's. I was referring to Zetherin and the issue which some users are experiencing with the new 2011 Samsung's (D6500, D7000, D8000)

Well, I also experience this dimming of brightness in certain videos which are very white intensive. So, while I don't fully understand the concept of floating blacks, I am not sure blacks have anything to do with my dimming. Of course, it may be the case that I have both the floating blacks and floating whites - and in this case, I'd like my 2 basic monochromatic colors to stop moving.
post #324 of 4163
they are saying that some gt30s have the fluctuating brightness and some dont
i saw a video of a gt30 with fluctuating brightness and i did not notice during
star wars clone wars. i want to order a gt30 this week but is it still worth the more money then the st30. iam lost on this i need to stop reading these forums lol
post #325 of 4163
I have not seen any floating whites on my Samsung D6500 series plasma. I would have noticed that instantly if I had seen it.
post #326 of 4163
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by XciteMe83 View Post

Still wondering why the 55" version is still at full MSRP on a certain popular online retailer... When the 50" version is offered at a bargain price below MSRP. Do we just have to wait for the 55" to be out for a while?

This is how it always is when new Panasonics first hit store shelves. Just about everyone has them at full MSRP for the first week or two or three before they start discounting them or putting them on sale. The 50" GT30 is discounted because it's been out for almost 3 weeks, but the 55 incher just got released.
post #327 of 4163
I pulled the trigger on the 50 inch gt30 iam geting it from sears. picking it up on may 2.the gt30 has better blacks and better detail then the st30 plus it has more inputs. and it was on sale only 250 dollars more then the st30 at bb sorry if i talked about price
post #328 of 4163
Can Panasonic plasmas be wall mounted with a universal mount or do they require proprietary mounts? I'm looking at getting a GT30 55" or a VT30 55" and would like to use the same mount I have now which is holding up a Sony 52" XBR3 (it's a Sanus uni mount from four years back).
post #329 of 4163
Just pulled the trigger on a 55" GT30 from Cleveland Plasma.
Didn't bother with the glasses. Panasonic didn't even include one pair in the box.
post #330 of 4163
here is a video of a uk gt30 with the Fluctuating Brightness Problem .
i saw another video and i did not notice it . but i can see it on this video lol.
now should i cancell my order or maybe panny will have a fw update to fix this


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2LVAYnItOI
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