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post #1561 of 3787
6/30/11 at 7:28pm
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Originally Posted by aquastorm View Post
Wow... that's some really bad clouding.. All of these sets are like this? Does this set have local dimming?
No, I can assure you that all of these sets don't look like the pictures there. Mine certainly doesn't. Something is truly wrong with tdx's set.
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post #1562 of 3787
6/30/11 at 7:30pm
I saw a 734 at Fry's today, 240hz and only $200 more than the average price the 732 has been selling for. They were showing a 2.35x1 film so couldn't check the corners. The film was the last Harry Potter so it was dark and drab overall so I couldn't really judge how it looked overall.
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post #1563 of 3787
6/30/11 at 7:51pm
If a newer model doesn't have the dark corners and DSE that the 732 has, then I may pressure Sharp for a upgrade... Otherwise I will stick with what I have.
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post #1564 of 3787
6/30/11 at 7:51pm
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No, I can assure you that all of these sets don't look like the pictures there. Mine certainly doesn't. Something is truly wrong with tdx's set.
Just to clarify, the pic is not from my set, i quoted an earlier post to demonstrate my problem. I do have the same green blob and a little bit of that clouding though, but of course both are mostly visible on completely or almost completely dark scenes.

I'll call Sharp tomorrow and see what they have to say.
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post #1565 of 3787
6/30/11 at 7:52pm
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Originally Posted by moovtune View Post
I saw a 734 at Fry's today, 240hz and only $200 more than the average price the 732 has been selling for. They were showing a 2.35x1 film so couldn't check the corners. The film was the last Harry Potter so it was dark and drab overall so I couldn't really judge how it looked overall.
Can someone tell me what the actual advantage may be to a refresh rate of 240 Hz vs. 120 Hz? Why is it better to repeat each of the film frames 10 times rather than just 5? Is it that the Fine Motion Enhancement (which I disable as I don't like its effect) is somehow better?

I really don't understand how it is significantly better and have therefore always assumed that it's more of a marketing gimmick than anything else.
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post #1566 of 3787
6/30/11 at 9:52pm
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Originally Posted by bwillcox View Post
I thought that the cause of the motion artifacts was that LCDs, in general, lack sufficient response times (i.e., don't turn off fast enough) to keep up with changing scenes. Further, that the insertion of interpolated frames was to compensate for the relatively slow frame rate (24fps) used in films. So rather than simply repeat each film frame five times, the TV calculates intermediate frames (interpolates them) based on the next frame and displays them instead of mere duplicates.

Is this not so? Can someone correct/enlighten me here?
I believe that motion blur with LCDs is caused by their slow response time, and how the retina perceives the image. You can get motion blur with 60 Hz material on an LCD, too, so it is not just a low framerate source material problem. If the retina receives a very short flash of light, such as that produced by a plasma TV, it perceives very little motion blur. Similarly, if you look at something moving under a strobe light, even one flashed at a slow frequency, you won't see motion blur. But if the leave the strobe flash on longer, you will see motion blur. The LCD panel manufacturers have found that by inserting interpolated frames, the eye will perceive less blur, even though the LCD response is relatively slow.

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post #1567 of 3787
6/30/11 at 10:28pm
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Originally Posted by aquastorm View Post
Does this set have local dimming?
No.
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post #1568 of 3787
7/1/11 at 5:45am
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Originally Posted by moovtune View Post

I saw a 734 at Fry's today, 240hz and only $200 more than the average price the 732 has been selling for.

So it looks like the 734 is exactly the same as the 733 carried at Sams/Costco. Not sure I see the reason to spend the extra $200+ for the same TV unless the service or credit terms are that much better.
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post #1569 of 3787
7/1/11 at 6:03am
^^ as discussed in the 70"+ thread:

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Originally Posted by specuvestor View Post

It is probably not customary for a model to increase price, so I would not see the 732 increasing in MSRP. What will happen is that future models will have higher MSRP and the loss making 732 phased out. Their "beachhead" purpose would have been done.
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post #1570 of 3787
7/1/11 at 9:23am
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I saw a 734 at Fry's today, 240hz and only $200 more than the average price the 732 has been selling for.

Yep the LC-70LE734U have hit the streets, no Chad has not tested one yet
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post #1571 of 3787
7/1/11 at 9:42am
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Yep the LC-70LE734U have hit the streets, no Chad has not tested one yet

I take it, he will though ?
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post #1572 of 3787
7/1/11 at 11:16am
Has anybody done the on-line survey on this TV? The email I got is from someone @us.confirmit.com and they offer $25 gift card for my results... and my address info, of course. Seems like fishing to me.
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post #1573 of 3787
7/1/11 at 11:28am
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Originally Posted by MikewL View Post

Has anybody done the on-line survey on this TV? The email I got is from someone @us.confirmit.com and they offer $25 gift card for my results... and my address info, of course. Seems like fishing to me.

Yes, I have. I mentioned it here a couple of days ago.
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post #1574 of 3787
7/1/11 at 11:54am
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Originally Posted by MikewL View Post

Has anybody done the on-line survey on this TV? The email I got is from someone @us.confirmit.com and they offer $25 gift card for my results... and my address info, of course. Seems like fishing to me.

I received the same email and was wondering the same thing.
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post #1575 of 3787
7/1/11 at 5:21pm
What is the different between 240Hz Fine Motion Enhanced and 240Hz Aquomotion?
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post #1576 of 3787
7/1/11 at 7:09pm
It was discussed earlier in one of these threads, but Aquamotion on its own is not 240Hz refresh rate. It's pseudo 240Hz using backlight strobing. True 240Hz refreshing is when the pixels are actually redrawn 240x per second.
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post #1577 of 3787
7/2/11 at 12:40pm
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Yep the LC-70LE734U have hit the streets, no Chad has not tested one yet

Even before the full test can we find out if the set has local dimming?
And if Sharp was able to fix the dim corners?
(The dim corners is the only issue stopping me from purchasing at this point.)
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post #1578 of 3787
7/2/11 at 12:54pm
^ doubtful the 734 will be local dimming as that would under-cut the flagship local dimmer due out later.

edit: not sure why then guy deleted his post but I believe it wasn't the first time he expressed optimism that the 734 would be LD, not gunna happen.
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post #1579 of 3787
7/2/11 at 3:15pm
I am 50,000% certain the 734 does not have local dimming.
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post #1580 of 3787
7/2/11 at 4:51pm
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Originally Posted by mb1756 View Post

I went from a 65 inch RPTV and find the picture quality of the Sharp to be every bit as good as my previous tv. I don't watch tv with meters and gages. If you put on a quality Blu ray disk this Sharp TV will put out a picture that is as good as any. All I have ever heard were compliments on this tv and many marveled at how clear and beautiful the picture was. I really don't know what you're seeing or perhaps you are just trying to denigrate this tv. For any normal person this tv offers an excellent picture and value. Had I read your remarks regarding this set I never would have bought it and would have lost out on one hell of a nice tv.

1. I've already said time and time again that this set is excellent for 95% of people
2. I don't need to "denigrate" the set because I own it and can be honest about it.
3. Many people are willing to sacrifice PQ for size and that's perfectly understandable. Having said that, I'm not going to pretend that the PQ is anything other than average.
4. To the other person, I made a mistake. You are correct that reviews are stating between .020 and .040 not .20.

If you are happy with the TV then I am happy for you. I personally cannot sit in a dark room and watch a movie on this set with major clouding in the corner and average (at best) black levels. I just wish they could solve these clouding issues as the last 3 sets I've purchased have had it.
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post #1581 of 3787
7/2/11 at 10:16pm
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Originally Posted by topr View Post

^ doubtful the 734 will be local dimming as that would under-cut the flagship local dimmer due out later.

edit: not sure why then guy deleted his post but I believe it wasn't the first time he expressed optimism that the 734 would be LD, not gunna happen.

I'm not sure who deleted their post, but I was optimistic that the 734 might have local dimming. It's very clear now that it does not. My optimism was based on what I saw on pre-order pricing on a few sites vs what we know the going price of both the 732 and 733 to be. I see the price of the 734 to be quite a bit lower now. Gotta say too that I'm kinda surprised (just a little) that the 733 and 734 would have the same exact specs. (That coming from a person at Sharp that called me last week)
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post #1582 of 3787
7/3/11 at 12:21am
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Originally Posted by jagpanzer View Post

So it looks like the 734 is exactly the same as the 733 carried at Sams/Costco. Not sure I see the reason to spend the extra $200+ for the same TV unless the service or credit terms are that much better.

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Originally Posted by moovtune View Post

I saw a 734 at Fry's today, 240hz and only $200 more than the average price the 732 has been selling for. They were showing a 2.35x1 film so couldn't check the corners. The film was the last Harry Potter so it was dark and drab overall so I couldn't really judge how it looked overall.

In regards to the 733 and 734 being the same, I believe it’s the 732 and 733 being identical and not the 734. The 734 is real 240hz and not the 240 aquomotion on the 733.

I saw the 734 at Fry's as well and can confirm this is a significant upgrade over the 732 (at least to my untrain eyes). I sat on the fence with the 732 because I felt the gap in PQ I could not live with. I personally could not deal with the dark corners of the 732.

With the new 734, Sharp appears to have mitigated issues plaguing the 732. Picture appears sharper, no dark corners, and an overall improvement in PQ without calibration. The display set on Dynamic had a great PQ. With the 732, it typically loses head to head battle in PQ with adjacent sets. Not anymore with the 734.

IMHO, Samsung is aware the threat from the 734 is real. Samsung is furiously hacking away prices on their D8000’s to protect market share. Consumers can now opt for Sharp’s larger screen size with comparable PQ for only a few hundreds more.

Sharp’s hit a homerun. Bravo!
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post #1583 of 3787
7/3/11 at 12:41am
If it is confirmed that the 734 is much better than the 732, I will deficiently push Sharp for an upgrade. The issues with this set should warrant an increase in model number (DSE, Dark Corners, my stuck pixels, Clouding) If the 734 doesn't have these issues I will deficiently try. Not in any hurry however.
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post #1584 of 3787
7/3/11 at 6:21am
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Couldn't agree with you more regarding blacks. Attached is a sample photo and I don't really see how you could get any blacker than what this picture is showing.Attachment 216372

Surprised no one has pointed this out already, but that picture doesn't reveal anything about the quality of black levels on this Sharp model. Virtually any flat panel, even the cheapest of cheap, will provide rich, deep blacks in relatively high contrast, color rich scenes such as that one.

Flaws in black level only reveal themselves in predominantly low light scenes. That's when things go to hell and disappointing grey-ish blacks reveal themselves.
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post #1585 of 3787
7/3/11 at 6:44am
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Originally Posted by PENDRAG0ON View Post

If it is confirmed that the 734 is much better than the 732, I will deficiently push Sharp for an upgrade. The issues with this set should warrant an increase in model number (DSE, Dark Corners, my stuck pixels, Clouding) If the 734 doesn't have these issues I will deficiently try. Not in any hurry however.

Well, I can confirm that my 732 doesn't have those issues or, at the very least, if it does I don't/can't see them. Perhaps the perceived quality of any TV is partly the luck of the draw and partly what problems bother you.
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post #1586 of 3787
7/3/11 at 6:46am
Question for those that have seen the 734; What does it say on the box? Aquamotion 240 or 240 Fine Motion Enhanced? I ask because I have read specs in one place that said Fine Motion Enhanced and been told by a Sharp Rep that it's Aquamotion 240.
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post #1587 of 3787
7/3/11 at 6:52am
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Originally Posted by CruelInventions View Post

Surprised no one has pointed this out already, but that picture doesn't reveal anything about the quality of black levels on this Sharp model. Virtually any flat panel, even the cheapest of cheap, will provide rich, deep blacks in relatively high contrast, color rich scenes such as that one.

Flaws in black level only reveal themselves in predominantly low light scenes. That's when things go to hell and disappointing grey-ish blacks reveal themselves.

Nope, I don't see any disappointing grey-ish blacks in low light scenes with my 732. Must be the black levels are fine.
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post #1588 of 3787
7/3/11 at 9:05am
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Originally Posted by CruelInventions View Post

Surprised no one has pointed this out already, but that picture doesn't reveal anything about the quality of black levels on this Sharp model. Virtually any flat panel, even the cheapest of cheap, will provide rich, deep blacks in relatively high contrast, color rich scenes such as that one.

Flaws in black level only reveal themselves in predominantly low light scenes. That's when things go to hell and disappointing grey-ish blacks reveal themselves.

Beats me, all I am seeing is an excellent quality picture all around. I haven't noticed anything detrimental whatsoever. I am very happy with the picture quality on this set.
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post #1589 of 3787
7/3/11 at 10:01am
First Post, but I have read this entire thread. I contaced Sharp about the differences, here is the cut and paste of what I got back.

""Dear Tim,


Thank you for contacting Sharp Electronics Corporation.

We will be happy to assist you. Per your request I have listed the information that we have on the 732U, 733U and 734U:

Lc70LE732U:X-Gen Panel with Quattron technology; Full Array LED; 120Hz; 6,000,000:1 Dynamic Contrast Ratio; Network Functions: CinemaNow, Netflix, Vudu, Alphaline; DLNA, AQUOS Advantage Live; WiFi Built-in; 4 HDMI Inputs; Quad Pixel Plus

LC70LE733U:X-Gen Panel with Quattron technology; Full Array LED; AquoMotion 240; 6,000,000:1 Dynamic Contrast Ratio; Network Functions: CinemaNow, Netflix, Vudu, Alphaline; DLNA, AQUOS Advantage Live; WiFi Built-in; 4 HDMI Inputs

Lc70LE734U:X-Gen Panel with Quattron technology; Full Array LED; AquoMotion 240; 6,000,000:1 Dynamic Contrast Ratio; Network Functions: CinemaNow, Netflix, Vudu, Alphaline; DLNA, AQUOS Advantage Live; WiFi Built-in; 4 HDMI Inputs; Quad Pixel Plus ""


To her reply, this is what I asked next;

"So, I see the 240 hz refresh is big. Is there any difference then between the 733 and 734? In your cut and paste of the spec's it says "Quad Pixel Plus" in the 732 and 734 and not the 733 but in your general product descriptions you say all your new sets have Quad Pixel Plus. Please explain.""

This is what I got back from her;

""That is correct the only difference between the 732U and 734U is the 120hz compared to the 240hz. Unfortunately as for the 733U the information I have given you is currently the only information I have available. I am unaware of that unit having the Quad Pixel plus. Again I do apologize if this causes a inconvenience for you.""


Now, my question to you guys; should I wait for the 735? I don't need 3D at all I already have a 65" LG 3D Plasma in my Media room and honestly, I've not watched a single 3D movie in the 4 months I've had the set. I don't know a thing about what "local dimming" is, but I'm thinking that "could" be the only thing the 735 could have on it other than 3D that the 734 doesn't? If that's the case, is that enough for me wait. This 70" will be in a living room with 24' tall ceilings and a far wall that's pretty much glass the whole way up. It's not my surround sound/media room, just the lounging room off the kitchen.

Gererally; thanks for a great thread, I've learned a ton.
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post #1590 of 3787
7/3/11 at 11:08am
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Originally Posted by Timinator3 View Post

First Post, but I have read this entire thread. I contaced Sharp about the differences, here is the cut and paste of what I got back.

""Dear Tim,


Thank you for contacting Sharp Electronics Corporation.

We will be happy to assist you. Per your request I have listed the information that we have on the 732U, 733U and 734U:

Lc70LE732U:X-Gen Panel with Quattron technology; Full Array LED; 120Hz; 6,000,000:1 Dynamic Contrast Ratio; Network Functions: CinemaNow, Netflix, Vudu, Alphaline; DLNA, AQUOS Advantage Live; WiFi Built-in; 4 HDMI Inputs; Quad Pixel Plus

LC70LE733U:X-Gen Panel with Quattron technology; Full Array LED; AquoMotion 240; 6,000,000:1 Dynamic Contrast Ratio; Network Functions: CinemaNow, Netflix, Vudu, Alphaline; DLNA, AQUOS Advantage Live; WiFi Built-in; 4 HDMI Inputs

Lc70LE734U:X-Gen Panel with Quattron technology; Full Array LED; AquoMotion 240; 6,000,000:1 Dynamic Contrast Ratio; Network Functions: CinemaNow, Netflix, Vudu, Alphaline; DLNA, AQUOS Advantage Live; WiFi Built-in; 4 HDMI Inputs; Quad Pixel Plus ""


To her reply, this is what I asked next;

"So, I see the 240 hz refresh is big. Is there any difference then between the 733 and 734? In your cut and paste of the spec's it says "Quad Pixel Plus" in the 732 and 734 and not the 733 but in your general product descriptions you say all your new sets have Quad Pixel Plus. Please explain.""

This is what I got back from her;

""That is correct the only difference between the 732U and 734U is the 120hz compared to the 240hz. Unfortunately as for the 733U the information I have given you is currently the only information I have available. I am unaware of that unit having the Quad Pixel plus. Again I do apologize if this causes a inconvenience for you.""


Now, my question to you guys; should I wait for the 735? I don't need 3D at all I already have a 65" LG 3D Plasma in my Media room and honestly, I've not watched a single 3D movie in the 4 months I've had the set. I don't know a thing about what "local dimming" is, but I'm thinking that "could" be the only thing the 735 could have on it other than 3D that the 734 doesn't? If that's the case, is that enough for me wait. This 70" will be in a living room with 24' tall ceilings and a far wall that's pretty much glass the whole way up. It's not my surround sound/media room, just the lounging room off the kitchen.

Gererally; thanks for a great thread, I've learned a ton.

This is why it can get so confusing. If you check out cyberscholar, which they use for sales training it says the 733 does have Quad pixel plus.
http://www.cyberscholar.com/?company...aining_library Also it was not that long ago that Sharp's own site listed the 732 as having Aquamotion 240. (since been corrected) So, I don't even have full trust in what the reps are telling us.

That's why I asked earlier if someone could check out the actual box of the 734. Thinking it may be listed there.

To answer your question about the 735. To the best of my knowledge local dimming is not part of the 735 specs. We should see it with the 935 or whatever they end up calling the high end model.
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