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post #3241 of 3822
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Originally Posted by mjodotcom View Post

I have bad voice syncing issues with HDMI alone (connected to my HT system) in any video mode but Game. So bad to the point that the max my AVR can adjust (200ms) is still not quite enough. Anyone out there have similar problems or know of a solution?

Can you disable ARC and just run 1 HDMI to the AVR for audio and 1 HMDI out to the tv for video? I don't have ARC (the avr is ARC capable but the tv is not).
post #3242 of 3822
Ok, I've had my 70LE732U for a week so I feel I can give a reasonable review of it. I'm coming from a rear projection LCD Panasonic from the 2005ish era (DLP sized cabinet), so this was a major upgrade in both size and display quality. I had a fear that at 70 inches it would dominate the room, but when mounted using the Sanus LL11-B1 ultra slim mount it feels like it's part of the wall. I have it mounted 25 inches from the floor, so the center of the TV is slightly above my eye level when seated. No neck stretching required. At 12 feet between myself and the display it feels *perfect*.

On to the display itself. I'm surprised at the quality of the black level even without local dimming. The Elite must be stunning in person because I am honestly impressed with the black level the 732 gives me. I do see very, very slight clouding when I have no input active. It seems to disappear completely when a source feeds it "total black". It's so minor that I don't even really consider it a negative. I also notice DSE on white backgrounds (hockey, very light sky), but with my choice of movies and sports, this has not been a problem. I do have very slight dimming in the corners, but it's significantly less than what I saw on the TV that was on display in Best Buy. I have an October 2011 build date, fwiw.

I'm getting close to having the color settings how I like them. I began with the "youtube" settings found in this thread, and they looked completely cartoonish on my display. Unwatchable. I then went with the Cnet settings, and found them to be close, so I tweaked from there. I still have more red than I'd like in the flesh tones. I need to pickup the Disney Wow disc.

The biggest negative so far is the audio lag. I've dialed it out with my receiver's audio sync settings, but it's bad. I'm at 160ms of delay right now and that matches my DirecTV DVR pretty well. Around 100ms of delay on my PS3 for Blu-rays. If I didn't run everything through my receiver I'd be much more upset with the audio sync issue.

Anyways, cliff notes version is if you're on the fence at all regarding this set, GET IT! The only real negative is the audio lag. If you have a receiver capable of audio delay adjustments, this is a great display.
post #3243 of 3822
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Originally Posted by Otto Pylot View Post


Can you disable ARC and just run 1 HDMI to the AVR for audio and 1 HMDI out to the tv for video? I don't have ARC (the avr is ARC capable but the tv is not).

Not sure what you mean here...I have all sources plugged into the AVR and a single HDMI cable going from the AVR to the TV...?
post #3244 of 3822
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Originally Posted by mjodotcom View Post

Not sure what you mean here...I have all sources plugged into the AVR and a single HDMI cable going from the AVR to the TV...?

Sorry, I misunderstood your setup. Can you disable ARC?
post #3245 of 3822
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Originally Posted by Otto Pylot View Post


Sorry, I misunderstood your setup. Can you disable ARC?

On the TV or...?


Interesting that the other person who just posted a review has lower delays - wonder if some setting on my 4311 is making things worse?
post #3246 of 3822
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Originally Posted by mjodotcom View Post

On the TV or...?


Interesting that the other person who just posted a review has lower delays - wonder if some setting on my 4311 is making things worse?

I would just disable ARC on both devices and see if that makes a difference. An easy thing to do and one less thing to troubleshoot if that doesn't work. I know on my receiver only the HDMI out is ARC-capable so I just don't enable that. The tv is not ARC-capable.
post #3247 of 3822
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I have bad voice syncing issues with HDMI alone (connected to my HT system) in any video mode but Game

But I thought that ever since HDMI 1.3, audio sync problems were handled by the devices firmware automatically, and shouldn't occur?
post #3248 of 3822
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Originally Posted by bruce View Post

But I thought that ever since HDMI 1.3, audio sync problems were handled by the devices firmware automatically, and shouldn't occur?

I think the video is getting to the TV's HDMI port in sync with the audio that's being played through the speakers (the HDMI 1.3 spec is doing it's job correctly), but something with the internal processing on the TV itself is delaying the video from the port to the panel.
post #3249 of 3822
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Originally Posted by AluminumMonster View Post

I think the video is getting to the TV's HDMI port in sync with the audio that's being played through the speakers (the HDMI 1.3 spec is doing it's job correctly), but something with the internal processing on the TV itself is delaying the video from the port to the panel.

Agreed, but the video processing in the TV itself would cause a greater delay than the processing of the audio, and then the HDMI 1.3 spec in the TV's firmware would compensate for this and sync the video and audio at the TV's presentation. If it isn't, then there must be something wrong with the TV or its firmware.

bruce
post #3250 of 3822
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Originally Posted by bruce View Post

Agreed, but the video processing in the TV itself would cause a greater delay than the processing of the audio, and then the HDMI 1.3 spec in the TV's firmware would compensate for this and sync the video and audio at the TV's presentation. If it isn't, then there must be something wrong with the TV or its firmware.

bruce

I had the same problems with my 632 that are on my 732 with regard to delay, so it must be something related to sharps design...
post #3251 of 3822
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I had the same problems with my 632 that are on my 732 with regard to delay, so it must be something related to sharps design...

If that were the case, don't you feel there would be more owners recounting their experience? Other than a few posters here, I haven't seen much reporting of this.

I wonder if this is just a few bad sets?

I know I have sporatically observed a lip sync problem with my different TV's, but it ends up being on the program at the time, since all other channels at the time don't experience the trouble, so I chalk it up to transmission or program errors.

bruce
post #3252 of 3822
"I know I have sporatically observed a lip sync problem with my different TV's, but it ends up being on the program at the time, since all other channels at the time don't experience the trouble, so I chalk it up to transmission or program errors."

Bruce,
I don't own a Sharp TV. I own a Sony 2010 Bravia and we have the same problems. Just like you, it's only certain shows and not all the time.

The problem does not exists when watching Blu-ray or when watching local programming via OTA. Therefore, I must conclude that the cause is the programming itself and how the satellite transmission handles it.
post #3253 of 3822
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Originally Posted by hughh View Post

"I know I have sporatically observed a lip sync problem with my different TV's, but it ends up being on the program at the time, since all other channels at the time don't experience the trouble, so I chalk it up to transmission or program errors."

Bruce,
I don't own a Sharp TV. I own a Sony 2010 Bravia and we have the same problems. Just like you, it's only certain shows and not all the time.

The problem does not exists when watching Blu-ray or when watching local programming via OTA. Therefore, I must conclude that the cause is the programming itself and how the satellite transmission handles it.

Lipsync problems usually happen when an external box like a receiver processes the audio and passes the video to a display. The receiver can't compensate for delays in the display processing of the video by the display, so you have to manually compensate for the delay using a lipsync control in the receiver. The 732 has pretty slow video processing so you normally need to do this if you route a BD or DVD playback through a receiver and then play the video on the 732.

Broadcast video also can have lipsync issues. But that problem belongs to the broadcaster.
post #3254 of 3822
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Originally Posted by Otto Pylot View Post

Can you disable ARC and just run 1 HDMI to the AVR for audio and 1 HMDI out to the tv for video? I don't have ARC (the avr is ARC capable but the tv is not).

The 732 supports ARC on HDMI 1.
post #3255 of 3822
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Originally Posted by bruce View Post

Agreed, but the video processing in the TV itself would cause a greater delay than the processing of the audio, and then the HDMI 1.3 spec in the TV's firmware would compensate for this and sync the video and audio at the TV's presentation. If it isn't, then there must be something wrong with the TV or its firmware.

bruce

I see your point. I don't how far "up the chain" the HDMI syncing corrects for. It was my assumption that it would get it to the display and get it to the receiver at the same time. At that point, if either one has a delay (in our case, the TV) it's beyond the scope of HDMI's syncing capability.

I'd love for this to be able to be corrected with a firmware update but I have the feeling that it just doesn't have the processing power necessary to keep up. Game mode turns off all (?) processing, eliminating the delay.
post #3256 of 3822
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Originally Posted by Otto Pylot View Post

Do you have a HTS? You could run optical out to the AVR and that may take care of your audio sync problem. ARC can be dicey at times.

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I suppose you are referring to Home Theater System by HTS. Wouldn't that be a necessary requirement to be using ARC in the first place? I suppose I could use an optical cable, why should that work any better? Wouldn't the same delays be present?
post #3257 of 3822
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Originally Posted by dr_gallup View Post

I've got a 732 that is about 6 months old. I recently plugged a USB memory stick into the USB port1. Now every time I turn the TV on it comes up in the USB menu no matter that I was watching the cable box or DVD player or Netflix when it was turned off. How do I get it to not do this without removing the memory stick? I'd rather leave the memory stick plugged in as it's pretty hard to reach the port.

Anybody have an idea about this? It's getting pretty annoying. Every time I turn the set on it comes up in the USB menu. I have to hit the input button which bizarrely only shows USB and internet until I arrow up or down then it expands to show all the HDMI ports, etc. then scroll through to HDMI1 which is the only other thing with anything plugged in. I'd like it to come back on the input it was using when it was turned off. Or always come up on HDMI1. I read through the entire manual again & don't see any way to fix this.
post #3258 of 3822
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Originally Posted by AluminumMonster View Post

I see your point. I don't how far "up the chain" the HDMI syncing corrects for. It was my assumption that it would get it to the display and get it to the receiver at the same time. At that point, if either one has a delay (in our case, the TV) it's beyond the scope of HDMI's syncing capability.

I'd love for this to be able to be corrected with a firmware update but I have the feeling that it just doesn't have the processing power necessary to keep up. Game mode turns off all (?) processing, eliminating the delay.

It's rare for audio processing delay to be longer than video processing delay, which is why lip sync adjustments in receivers only delay the audio.

HDMI lip sync only works within a particular component. It would great if it were global across devices, but it isn't at least right now.
post #3259 of 3822
dr_gallup - On my Bravia, if you leave a memory stick in the USB, the TV will report it has found a memory stick in the USB, each and every time the TV is turned on. By removing the memory stick, this function is turned off.

Insert the memory stick in your Blu-ray player, if it has a USB input, instead of in the TV itself. That way the TV will not detect it.
post #3260 of 3822
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Originally Posted by ehlarson View Post


The 732 supports ARC on HDMI 1.

How do you turn it off on the 732?
post #3261 of 3822
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Originally Posted by hughh View Post

The problem does not exists when watching Blu-ray or when watching local programming via OTA. Therefore, I must conclude that the cause is the programming itself and how the satellite transmission handles it.

I recently ran into a very bad case of audio lag on a DVR'ed cable program.
It wasn't even HD.
So, yes, the source material can come with built-in lag issues.
Other kinds, too.
Remember, these days everything is compressed.
Even BD-ROMs.

It's not always the hardware's fault.
post #3262 of 3822
New 732 owner here! Other than the mild dark corners, the display is fantastic. No clouding issues whatsoever. Coming from a Sharp 60" 88UN, the difference is staggering. I can finally watch dark screens without getting angry!
post #3263 of 3822
My LC-80LE632U does the same thing and, I imagine, is even harder to get to the USB than the LH-70.

Although the manual says to not use an extension cable, I would bet that one could find a short cable that would work.

While I am here, I have an additional problem that I posted in the LC-80 thread:
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Anyone having problems with USB memory sticks?

I purchased two PNY 4GB Attache sticks and both give the following response:
The screen with Photo, Video or Music comes up.
Selecting Photo then gives:

The USB memory is disconnected.
Please check the connection.

I have a couple of other older sticks that work fine.
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Originally Posted by dr_gallup View Post

Anybody have an idea about this? It's getting pretty annoying. Every time I turn the set on it comes up in the USB menu. I have to hit the input button which bizarrely only shows USB and internet until I arrow up or down then it expands to show all the HDMI ports, etc. then scroll through to HDMI1 which is the only other thing with anything plugged in. I'd like it to come back on the input it was using when it was turned off. Or always come up on HDMI1. I read through the entire manual again & don't see any way to fix this.
post #3264 of 3822
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Originally Posted by Larry Hutchinson View Post

My LC-80LE632U does the same thing and, I imagine, is even harder to get to the USB than the LH-70.

Although the manual says to not use an extension cable, I would bet that one could find a short cable that would work.

While I am here, I have an additional problem that I posted in the LC-80 thread:
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Anyone having problems with USB memory sticks?

I purchased two PNY 4GB Attache sticks and both give the following response:
The screen with Photo, Video or Music comes up.
Selecting Photo then gives:

The USB memory is disconnected.
Please check the connection.

I have a couple of other older sticks that work fine.
*******************

I've not had that problem with my 733U, but then I've not ever connected a USB flash drive/memory stick, so I can't say that it wouldn't happen to me too. But, I might suggest this: You should have gotten info with your set regarding what Sharp calls "AQUOS Advantage". I also recall seeing it on the Apps screen as "AQUOS Advantage Live". I had the occasion to use it, but by registering and calling them on the phone directly. Very surprisingly, the phone was answered on the second ring by a tech who actually was familiar with these sets, and spoke knowledgeably. You might register and call them and see what they say. It's free, and a direct line to their support techs. You must have internet access as I think that they can actually control your set remotely, and hopefully see and experience what your problem is. Hope it helps. The phone number to register is: 877-332-7867. By the way, even the complete Owner's Manual can be displayed on the TV screen. That's really kind of neat!
post #3265 of 3822
Hey everyone I have a question about this set. I have turned off all motion enhancement options in order to get the "purest" picture possible and for the most of it it works great.

I do have one issue where I'm hoping you could give me some advice: On large, full screen pans the TV seems to struggle slightly to keep up with motion; basically what happens is that the outline of objects flickers a little bit during the pan. The pan itself is smooth (no jerky motion) and it always happens on faster pans, not the very slow ones.

I'm not sure how this anomaly is called but it's been bothering me and i'd love to know if there is a setting in the TV that can alleviate or fix this.

BTW I feed the TV mostly NTSC Blu-Ray rips from a A300 Popcorn Hour media streamer, set at 24fps (both the streamer and the TV itself).

Thanks!
post #3266 of 3822
Just freakin DIED. I can get some small menus to show up, but cannot get it to change inputs, just a black screen. Any ideas? Is there a reset button somewhere? UGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

EDIT: After RTFM, I unplugged it for two minutes, and all is normal again. Hope this is not the start of fun to come!
post #3267 of 3822
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Originally Posted by digital desire View Post

Just freakin DIED. I can get some small menus to show up, but cannot get it to change inputs, just a black screen. Any ideas? Is there a reset button somewhere? UGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

EDIT: After RTFM, I unplugged it for two minutes, and all is normal again. Hope this is not the start of fun to come!

Probably had an electrical surge in your house or dropout.
post #3268 of 3822
Hi,

I am really very close to pulling the trigger on this set, but after reading comments about lip-sync in this thread, I am very concerned that this set has a big problem with audio-video sync. I have a Panasonic plasma that has zero issues (from 2005) and a Samsung LN52B750 that is absolutely awful for lip-sync (I've tried everything btw and I know it is not my Satellite or my external BR, DVD, AppleTV2 components).

I want to replace my Samsung with this Sharp but can anybody tell me if this Sharp has worse lip-sync than the average for other sets?

PS, I am really not interested in using a receiver to adjust the sync because a) I really should not have to b) when I do, I am up in the 200ms range already and c) my wife will flat out refuse to do this.
post #3269 of 3822
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Originally Posted by fscool View Post

Hi,

I am really very close to pulling the trigger on this set, but after reading comments about lip-sync in this thread, I am very concerned that this set has a big problem with audio-video sync. I have a Panasonic plasma that has zero issues (from 2005) and a Samsung LN52B750 that is absolutely awful for lip-sync (I've tried everything btw and I know it is not my Satellite or my external BR, DVD, AppleTV2 components).

I want to replace my Samsung with this Sharp but can anybody tell me if this Sharp has worse lip-sync than the average for other sets?

PS, I am really not interested in using a receiver to adjust the sync because a) I really should not have to b) when I do, I am up in the 200ms range already and c) my wife will flat out refuse to do this.

I wish my Christmas morning news (US time zone) could be more positive. In my case, there is definitely lip-sync delay. I do use an AV receiver and I keep a 70ms delay for Dishnetwork (722k) and 180ms delay for blu-ray.

I don't use the internal speakers myself so I can't speak to delays there.

I did take a few pictures using my laptop as an input. The images show "auto," "game," and "movie" modes. I don't know how much of that delay is caused by my laptop.
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post #3270 of 3822
Just connected my 732 to my new onkyo and put on the dark knight and there is no lip sync
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