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post #3541 of 3787
3/1/12 at 6:41am
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Originally Posted by mjodotcom View Post

I had similar issues, time to get a meter

I've never done a calibration and have no meter, etc. Can I get the WOW disk and do it that way? Also, I tend to like a very bright, vivid picture that "pops." I read that sometimes a calibrated set will seem somewhat dim. Is it still worth calibrating to get the colors right and then, if too dim for my liking, adjust brightness/backlight to my liking? Thanks
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post #3542 of 3787
3/1/12 at 8:31am
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I've never done a calibration and have no meter, etc. Can I get the WOW disk and do it that way? Also, I tend to like a very bright, vivid picture that "pops." I read that sometimes a calibrated set will seem somewhat dim. Is it still worth calibrating to get the colors right and then, if too dim for my liking, adjust brightness/backlight to my liking? Thanks

I tried a WOW disk first but overall it is severely limiting as far as what you can adjust.

Your plan sounds good to me, use one of the CalMAN bundles to get your greyscale and colors in line then just bump up the backlight until you are happy with the "pop".

I used to have the same feeling, but I think before doing that you should try the properly calibrated backlight levels for a few weeks and see what you think. I ended up really liking it and couldn't go back now
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post #3543 of 3787
3/1/12 at 8:39am
mjodotcom; what meter would be the best value & top quality ?
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post #3544 of 3787
3/1/12 at 8:45am
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mjodotcom; what meter would be the best value & top quality ?

I spent a lot of time looking into that and found the D3 meter (new last year, big boost in quality) to be by far the best "bang for the buck". It can be had in the 400$ bundle from CalMAN, as you need SW to run it. Chroma pure also sells a similar bundle if you want different SW but CalMAN is pretty widely used and I found it to be very straightforward for a cal newbie like me to use

I am very very happy with the results and even the mrs could tell a noticeable difference in PQ (the "true" test lol). To me it was worth every penny. Plus as I said in a previous post, you can use it over and over again on all your TVs with results on par to professional calibration!
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post #3545 of 3787
3/1/12 at 8:51am
Hello, this is my first post. I am on page 83 of this thread, and worn out. Too much, too much. Anyways, I have NOT had a professional calibration and I am a noob to calibrating. I have used a combo of posted settings from this thread and tweated to my likings. However, I have awful viewing angles. I sit on my side couch, just 3-4 feet off center of the tv, and the blacks and all dark colors wash out terribly. Almost turn grey. The only "tweaking" fix I have found to elimintate this about 90% is to turn Active Contrast back on. But every posted settings in this thread show it to be off.

Questions:
1. Is there disadvantages to having this turned on?
2. If so, will a professional calibration eliminate these awful viewing angles with this feature turned back off?

I am now mostly happy with my settings. I use the settings from the user that recommended using Game for ps3/bluray and Standard for cable, but I have also calibrated the movie setting, just too yellow/gray for me. But Im sure a professional can make my Movie mode look much better. I just prefer vivid, popping colors. Coming from a 62 inch Mitsu DLP, I want vivid!!!

Thanks in advance to any knowledgable input in this matter!
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post #3546 of 3787
3/1/12 at 8:57am
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Originally Posted by tws777 View Post

Hello, this is my first post. I am on page 83 of this thread, and worn out. Too much, too much. Anyways, I have NOT had a professional calibration and I am a noob to calibrating. I have used a combo of posted settings from this thread and tweated to my likings. However, I have awful viewing angles. I sit on my side couch, just 3-4 feet off center of the tv, and the blacks and all dark colors wash out terribly. Almost turn grey. The only "tweaking" fix I have found to elimintate this about 90% is to turn Active Contrast back on. But every posted settings in this thread show it to be off.

Questions:
1. Is there disadvantages to having this turned on?
2. If so, will a professional calibration eliminate these awful viewing angles with this feature turned back off?

I am now mostly happy with my settings. I use the settings from the user that recommended using Game for ps3/bluray and Standard for cable, but I have also calibrated the movie setting, just too yellow/gray for me. But Im sure a professional can make my Movie mode look much better. I just prefer vivid, popping colors. Coming from a 62 inch Mitsu DLP, I want vivid!!!

Thanks in advance to any knowledgable input in this matter!

anyway you can get a mount that will allow you to angle the Display so that you are in the sweet spot , I'd try this 1st ....I M H O
you might find that then applying some of the settings posted here by others will really then help BUT.... getting a calibration might be a waste of cash if you can't resolve the angle of view issue 1st
LCD's require that you in front of the display to get the best PQ , there is NO getting around that .
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post #3547 of 3787
3/1/12 at 9:10am
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Originally Posted by mjodotcom View Post

I spent a lot of time looking into that and found the D3 meter (new last year, big boost in quality) to be by far the best "bang for the buck". It can be had in the 400$ bundle from CalMAN, as you need SW to run it. Chroma pure also sells a similar bundle if you want different SW but CalMAN is pretty widely used and I found it to be very straightforward for a cal newbie like me to use

I am very very happy with the results and even the mrs could tell a noticeable difference in PQ (the "true" test lol). To me it was worth every penny. Plus as I said in a previous post, you can use it over and over again on all your TVs with results on par to professional calibration!

gotta link ,heck i'll order that today ....... I can practice on 88UM until the 632 80' gets here & the guy who i s gonna buy the 88UM will like that as well ! then there's the bedroom Sharp too ! ...
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post #3548 of 3787
3/1/12 at 12:09pm
http://store.spectracal.com/calman-s...i1display.html

Just got back from out of stock - shows its popular!
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post #3549 of 3787
3/2/12 at 8:38am
I am planning to buy Sharp in near future, but I am not sure if I should get LC-70LE732U or LC-70LE734U?

Does LC-70LE734U has a better picture?
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post #3550 of 3787
3/2/12 at 9:39am
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Originally Posted by kdar1987 View Post

I am planning to buy Sharp in near future, but I am not sure if I should get LC-70LE732U or LC-70LE734U?

Does LC-70LE734U has a better picture?

Only difference is 240hz vs 120hz. From what I read practically every review couldn't tell any difference.

FWIW my motion performance actually gets WORSE when I have motion enhancement turned on (both the 120 and 240 really are kind of "faked" anyways, you can read up more about it) so I leave it off altogether on my 732.

My opinion? Save the money and go with a 732.
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post #3551 of 3787
3/2/12 at 10:21am
thanks. I kind of heard that too, but I was wondering if anyone who have it here saw some dramatic differences in picture.
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post #3552 of 3787
3/2/12 at 10:22am
I have the 732u and I also have all the motion stuff off, I love my tv!! Lol
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post #3553 of 3787
3/2/12 at 10:30am
I have the 732U, but I viewed both sets (seperated by only one other TV), so almost side by side. Both were on ESPN, so sports were on. I could not tell a difference. At this particular store, the difference was $400. So, I went with the 732U. The salesman told me that the 240 is only beneficial on the 735 3D version. Not sure if his knowledge is correct or not, but I couldnt justify the $400 diff when the picture was identical to me. Hope this helps. See if you can find a store with both models on display, but for me, the picture didnt justify the money.
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post #3554 of 3787
3/2/12 at 10:39am
I have the 735 and never use the "fake" 240. It doesn't really do anything except lower the brightness level slightly.
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post #3555 of 3787
3/2/12 at 11:32am
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Originally Posted by mjodotcom View Post

Only difference is 240hz vs 120hz. From what I read practically every review couldn't tell any difference.

FWIW my motion performance actually gets WORSE when I have motion enhancement turned on (both the 120 and 240 really are kind of "faked" anyways, you can read up more about it) so I leave it off altogether on my 732.

My opinion? Save the money and go with a 732.

As I understand it, the 120 Hz isn't fake but is the actual refresh rate of the panel (it's importantance being that it is a multiple of both 60 & 24 frame rates). As for the 240 Hz, I believe that that's nothing more than the flashing of the backlight at a 240 Hz rate.
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post #3556 of 3787
3/2/12 at 11:42am
Give a gold star to bwilcox! He is correct, these all have 120hz panels. The 240 is indeed backlight strobing., and since the backlight is turning off the overall brightness goes down. As previously posted, the PQ drops resolution wise if you shut off the 120 Hz completely. You have to go back a few pages but one of the professional reviewers measured a significant drop in resolution with 120 off.
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post #3557 of 3787
3/2/12 at 2:20pm
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Give a gold star to bwilcox! He is correct, these all have 120hz panels. The 240 is indeed backlight strobing., and since the backlight is turning off the overall brightness goes down. As previously posted, the PQ drops resolution wise if you shut off the 120 Hz completely. You have to go back a few pages but one of the professional reviewers measured a significant drop in resolution with 120 off.

Just so there is no confusion...

You cannot lose resolution on a digital panel, it's native to the panel and does not change (480i/480p/720p/1080i/1080p in = 1080p out, obviously not accounting for aspect ratio). Now it's certainly possible you can alter image quality by resolving more fine detail with various processing settings but 120 hz on or off will not change the panels native resolution, these are digital displays not crt's.

Jason
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post #3558 of 3787
3/2/12 at 2:21pm
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post #3559 of 3787
3/2/12 at 3:58pm
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Just so there is no confusion...

You cannot lose resolution on a digital panel, it's native to the panel and does not change (480i/480p/720p/1080i/1080p in = 1080p out, obviously not accounting for aspect ratio). Now it's certainly possible you can alter image quality by resolving more fine detail with various processing settings but 120 hz on or off will not change the panels native resolution, these are digital displays not crt's.

Jason

Yes, as I've said in this thread before. Thanks for the backup Jason

Also, what I mean by 120 being "fake" is you are still just interpolating from a 60hz source, that's all
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post #3560 of 3787
3/3/12 at 9:21am
[quote]You cannot lose resolution on a digital panel, it's native to the panel and does not change (480i/480p/720p/1080i/1080p in = 1080p out, obviously not accounting for aspect ratio). Now it's certainly possible you can alter image quality by resolving more fine detail with various processing settings but 120 hz on or off will not change the panels native resolution, these are digital displays not crt's.[quote]

That was what I was referring to, not trying to say you could change the panel's actual resolution. According to some testers the set RESOLVES more lines if you use 120hz processing than if you do not. That was what I meant. As far as ones ability to SEE the diference, that is another story. Also the 120hz processing may create artifacts that are unacceptable to some, but fine for others, so in the end again it's all down to personal preference.
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post #3561 of 3787
3/3/12 at 10:25am
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Nice setup!!!
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post #3562 of 3787
3/4/12 at 10:25am
I am getting ready to purchase the 732. Can anyone tell me the distance from the front of the tv to the wall after being wall mounted?

I am looking to purchase Definitive Technology XTR-50 speakers to be mounted around this TV but these are very low profile speakers that are more meant for a thin side-lit LED. I don't want it to look too ridiculous. I guess I can always figure out a way to mount the speakers flush with the face of the TV.

Thanks. Looking forward to joining the 732 club!

Or...are we too close to the 2012 models and I should hold off on the 732?
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post #3563 of 3787
3/4/12 at 11:17am
I just got a LC-70LE733U at Costco. Waiting on my wall mount and component cabinet to set things up! This is replacing my Sony 70 KDS-R70XBR2.
Hope to have it up and running by next weekend!
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post #3564 of 3787
3/6/12 at 7:59am
Guys I've been following this thread for some time now. I pulled the trigger on the 732 from Amazon and the seller "ExpressAccessories" turned out to be a scam.. Amazon did refund the money but after waiting so long the new models are out.

What is everyone's opinion on the new LC-70LE745U's? Obviously it's very new and there's not a lot of information out there. I'm flip flopping between the 732 and the new 745 now.. Decisions decisions..

Thanks guys!
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post #3565 of 3787
3/6/12 at 12:38pm
I can't tell you anything about the new models but I can recommend http://www.eastcoasttvs.com. I bought my 732 from them ~8 months ago and they had the best price by far. If you order from the website they will call back and try to upsell special delivery options and extended warranties. Just say no to everything. I got the most basic delivery but they still brought it in, unboxed it, set it on the stand, plugged it in, made sure everything was working, etc. All the things that they want to charge extra for in the "white glove" delivery option was done for free. I couldn't have been happier with the whole experience.
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post #3566 of 3787
3/7/12 at 3:36pm
I just received my 70le732. I have a slightly dim section at the top about 20" from the left and about 6-7" downward. Can't notice it unless something is panning across the screen or using bright static test patterns. Motion, active, film all off. It's noticeable in any av mode or opc mode.

I don't recall seeing any issues about uniformity in this thread so are slight dim spots normal due to size of screen, or does everyone have perfectly uniform displays?

My set only has been on for a few hours. Any chance allowing it to break-in will reduce this issue
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post #3567 of 3787
3/7/12 at 3:40pm
[quote]You cannot lose resolution on a digital panel, it's native to the panel and does not change (480i/480p/720p/1080i/1080p in = 1080p out, obviously not accounting for aspect ratio). Now it's certainly possible you can alter image quality by resolving more fine detail with various processing settings but 120 hz on or off will not change the panels native resolution, these are digital displays not crt's.
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That was what I was referring to, not trying to say you could change the panel's actual resolution. According to some testers the set RESOLVES more lines if you use 120hz processing than if you do not. That was what I meant. As far as ones ability to SEE the diference, that is another story. Also the 120hz processing may create artifacts that are unacceptable to some, but fine for others, so in the end again it's all down to personal preference.

Yeah I know what you meant, I only posted for clarification.

Jason
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post #3568 of 3787
3/7/12 at 4:54pm
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Originally Posted by mpaterno View Post

I just received my 70le732. I have a slightly dim section at the top about 20" from the left and about 6-7" downward. Can't notice it unless something is panning across the screen or using bright static test patterns. Motion, active, film all off. It's noticeable in any av mode or opc mode.

I don't recall seeing any issues about uniformity in this thread so are slight dim spots normal due to size of screen, or does everyone have perfectly uniform displays?

My set only has been on for a few hours. Any chance allowing it to break-in will reduce this issue

I believe it is called clouding, I also think that almost these tv's have them, mine has alittle but I barely see it, if urs has it bad u may need to contact sharp
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post #3569 of 3787
3/7/12 at 10:55pm
I have searched the Internet and can't get an answer: does this TV support RGB Full Range over HDMI? I know there's a setting labeled "Color Gamut Range" in the Advanced Picture Settings, does this option set Full Range or not?

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Okay, now I have another question. Has anybody noticed lip-sync issues with this TV? I've tested out Inception and Avatar on Blu-ray and both demonstrated some pretty severe lip-sync issues, some of the conversations early in Inception were quite comical with the lips nowhere near being synched with the audio. I'm using the output chain of PS3 -> Denon 4310 AVR -> 70LE733U (Costco model), all HDMI from source to TV.
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post #3570 of 3787
3/8/12 at 2:23am
Okay, after reading this thread more, it seems yes there are lip-sync issues with this TV. Sharp evidently hates humanity and doesn't implement HDMI 1.3 Auto-sync or whatever that feature is that lets the TV and source or other devices in the chain talk to each other and negotiate A/V sync. I actually returned a Samsung UN60D7000 with terrible uniformity and clouding issues for this 70LE733U and the Samsung was able to keep audio and video in sync automatically for me, which this Sharp won't. So I have to do it myself with my AVR, or set Game mode to on.

There really is no perfect TV in this day and age. I feel like I might have to keep my old Sony 52WL135 until the day it dies or I do, because every TV has to have at least one ridiculous flaw unless I want to build a time machine and travel back in time and buy a Pioneer Elite Kuro in the past or something.
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