SmoothVideo Project (SVP)/Frame Interpolation (FI) from Russia - Page 6

Of course. 1980x800 is a lot easier to process (by the factor of 0.74 = 800/1080?), but at the same time each level sets heavier processes in the 1920x800 profile than the 1920x1080 profile. For example, at level 5g,

- 1920x1080: "To small step 6-8 px." at Decrease grid step
- 1920x800: "By two with global refinement" at Decrease grid step

So eventually there is not big difference in CPU/GPU usage between 1920x1080 and 1920x800 as long as you select the same level (and 1920x800 should be better in quality, at least in theory). That's how the notion of "level" works and is a reasonable choice, IMO.
Edited by renethx - 2/10/13 at 12:13am

I had 3.1.2 installed.

Can't I just go 3.1.3 Full ????

OK... take a look guys and give me some advice:



First,
It appears that when you open it - it does an auto test ??? What is a good score or setting?

Mine appears higher than the one you posted above which leads me to think I can run it at this setting ?? Yes ?? (my GPU card is weaker)

I turned of the second monitor and shut all the extra crap I had running on my PC off and it seems to work a little better. I am still wondering if my video card is not configured properly ??? I am running the beta AMD driver ( 13.2_beta5 ) My system crashed when I tried to install the 12.1 official release with a nasty BSOD. But it seemed to like the beta on the second try and it installed ok. My PC seems to crash installing the Radeon drivers about 50% of the time and I have no clue why. Been that way for year. But it's otherwise perfectly stable even at overclock.



Should I have anything specific set up on the other settings on my machine ?? Is this at all effected by Lucid or Virtu ?





I actually had the video card off I think... I just changed it.




I did not have this checked off. I don't think I had it set. It was off and I just turned on GPU acceleration.








Does this look OK or normal to everyone ?

Shouldn't the GPU info be populated? Is it running on HD3000 GPU or something ? Ideas? (or am I just paranoid ?)

I'm just trying to go through all the setting and find the optimal settings for myself without missing anything. Advice is appreciated.




CPU is between 30% and 45%



5G heavy setting.

SVP 3.1.4 is released.
This is a bug fix release with almost none of new features (except improved scene change detection may be).

As usual, download it from there.
There's also a torrent file available, just in case

Mfusick
Is it running on HD3000 GPU or something ? Ideas?

HD3000 isn't compatible cause it lacks OpenCL support

Any reason I can't just download 3.1.4 and install it ?

I am on 3.1.3 I think. Do I need to uninstall first ?

Mfusick
I am running Lucid Virtu MVP. Have you compared Lucid Virtu MVP with SVP? If so please post your observations and would you recommend switching to SVP. So far I am pretty amazed by Jinc 3+AR with Lucid Virtu MVP ability to deliver very detailed video with few artifacts but I would be willing to change to SVP.

I have not tried the lucid MVP for video playback. I thought that was for gaming performance ??

definitely not

While Lucid MVP is marketed for gaming to my eyes it noticeably improve htpc video quality. The advantage over SVP, (which I have not tried yet) to me is that is seems to help live and recorded TV where I am using 7MC not MPC-HC for playback.

I am just trying to save the time and trouble of installing SVP and doing my own comparison a drawing my own conclusion.

In my test, madVR can't use two GPUs simultaneously to execute its algorithms via Lucid Virtu MVP. Maybe SVP can?

Give me a link and I'll test it. I like messing around.

http://www.lucidlogix.com/driverdownloads-mvp.shtml

You should probably read this because one thing I noticed is that Lucid MVP should work best on a 60 Hz monitor and that is what my Panasonic plasma is: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5728/intel-z77-panther-point-chipset-and-motherboard-preview-asrock-asus-gigabyte-msi-ecs-and-biostar/2
Edited by Postmoderndesign - 2/17/13 at 2:20pm

Postmoderndesign

Lucid MVP has nothing in common with FRC. I don't get why you trying to compare incomparable things?

It can't and doesn't need to.

What is lucid MVP then ?

I think I'm getting confused.

With further reading I realize that Lucid MVP seems to require specific sandy bridge or ivy bridge motherboards and a 60HZ monitor. The only program I have that is specifically supported is google earth, which looks very good to me and responds quickly. My reason for thinking I am getting a benefit from Lucid is that my subjective opinion is that it reduces video artifacts and I was able to use Jinc 3 1tap + AR with a GT 440 which I could not do until I added Lucid. However, there is a raging debate on the internet about whether it works and Lucid does not claim it does anything for movies or TV.

However, in reading about SVP, the most agreement is that it works best on animation and 3D, neither of which I watch. Some people don't seem to like it.

Anyway, I will give SVP a try on my equipment and see what I think.

Lucid's Virtual Vsync is supposed to reduce tearing by enabling asynchronous gpu utilization. There's not a whole lot of explanation behind this other than the token line on their page, "lock one GPU and let the other go as fast as it possibly can."

I'm not sure how to interpret that for games or video playback

OK, I installed SVP and started a DVD iso. I got a message that there was a variable frame rate and I needed to set variable frame rate repair. Then MPC-HC started playing the .iso and quickly froze.

SVP set up the ffdshow raw video filter rather that the ffdshow video decoder. Do I have the wrong video decoder?

I do not know if SVP plays isos, does it?

Where do you set variable frame rate repair?

Are there screen shots showing the set up of MPC-HC using SVP?
Edited by Postmoderndesign - 2/18/13 at 8:54am

Yes. MPC-HC is a good player for SVP. SVP comes with that.. and also Madvr and reclock

Yes. MPC-HC is a good player for SVP. SVP comes with that.. and also Madvr and reclock

I could not get SVP to work with .iso movies, it altered the video color of .mkv, it was not bitstreaming audio and it messed up some other programs on the computer. I have removed SVP. If others find it helpful then that is fine.

DVD / SD (ripped without any framerate / codec conversion via, e.g., MakeMKV) needs to be IVTCed correctly before being sent to SVP. ffdshow Video Decoder with libavcodec is perhaps the quickest solution that IVTCs most DVD/SD correctly (i.e. sends a soft-telecined 23.976fps content as is and inverse telecines a hard-telecined 29.97fps content into a progressive 23.976fps stream). LAV Video Decoder (avcodec or whatever) is not so good (ffdshow raw video decoder often gets a stream of "wrong" fps, such as 20fps). DScaler5 IVTC mod could be a better solution.
Edited by renethx - 2/18/13 at 1:56pm

LAV Video always outputs stuff as-is, soft-telecined 23.976 as is, and hard-telecined 29.97 as-is, because its a decoder, not a video processor, i don't know where you saw 20fps, but thats most likely a ffdshow raw bug then.
Personally, i had no good experiences IVTC'ing hard-telecined content with ffdshow, DScaler5 IVTC was usually the only proper solution to this (or if you don't use SVP, now madVRs IVTC)

"Movie FPS" reported in ffdshow raw video filter > Info at DVD playback with LAV Video Decoder + ffdshow raw video filter:

- Soft-telecined contents: ~20.000fps
- Hard-telecined contents: ~20.000fps during the fist few min, then 29.97fps.

So SVP tries to interpolate frames at 20fps x 3 with a 60Hz display. An odd behavior. A screenshot at playing back [F1. SD] Ratatouille (2007) (soft-telecined, ripped with MakeMKV; DVD playback is the same).



Somehow ffdshow Video Decoder (libavcodec, not Intel QS) IVTCs many DVDs (actually all of the dozens of DVDs I tested, some are soft-telecined, some are hard-telecined) correctly, i.e. Info always reports Movie FPS: 23.976. Of course it does not IVTC improperly flagged telecined contents and interlaced contents (outputs them as-is, at 29.97fps), tested with Spears & Munsil's wedge patterns.
Edited by renethx - 2/19/13 at 9:20am

So then what's appropriate set up solution ?

Appropriate for what?

To get optimal desired performance. What software and what settings ? I am seeing different pieces of info flying around about this and about that but I am not sure I myself know the appropriate solution or set up.

Is there something specific I should be doing in setting up mine ?

Software

- DVD / SD MPEG-2: DVD Navigator / LAV Source Splitter -> ffdshow Video Decoder (libavcodec; don't use qs) + SVP --> EVR or madVR
- Everything else: LAV Source Splitter -> LAV Video Decoder (avcodec [if your CPU is powerful enough], cuvid [NVIDIA only], qs or dxva2cb; dxva2n won't work) --> ffdshow raw video filter + SVP --> EVR or madVR

The settings of SVP (and madVR if you want better upscaling) depend on your CPU/GPU. There is no simple answer.
Edited by renethx - 2/20/13 at 5:59am

Sorry, does this indicate that DVD rips from MKV are okay or not? I read it to say
Is this correct?

Then you'd do the following in MPC-HC

Should you then set LAV Video Decoder for all formats but mpeg2, and set ffdshow decoder for mpeg2??

If the source is a telecined movie that is not inverse-telecined yet (e.g. DVD, MKV created from DVD with MakeMKV, a broadcast SD/HD movie, one of the very few telecined BD movies), the video stream has to be inverse telecined before sent to SVP; ffdshow Video Decoder with libavcodec should be a good choice in many (but not all) cases. If the source is a progressive movie with framerate 23.976fps or 24.000fps or 25.000fps (e.g. a file ripped/encoded/inverse-telecined from DVD, a BD movie), then any decoder is good (e.g. LAV Video Decoder).
Edited by renethx - 2/20/13 at 1:17pm