or Connect
AVS › AVS Forum › HDTV › HDTV Programming › The Killing on AMC HD
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

The Killing on AMC HD - Page 35

post #1021 of 1120
Quote:
Originally Posted by StonesCat View Post

Ratings are virtually identical to last season, and that got them to this point, so who knows? Whether they're good or bad is irrelevant to the show's quality, though.

From reading various stories around the internet it appears that the final 2 hour episode may hold the key to whether the show will be renewed for season four. If the numbers are good it may get another shot. As had been pointed out the cost of production this time around was shared by Fox TV, AMC and Netflix so the economics are sound. I've grown fond of the two leads and just watching them act together trumps whatever storyline they come up with.
post #1022 of 1120
rumors are that the main reason the show was renewed for Season 3 was that AMC didn't want to lose Joel Kinnaman (Holder)...even with the revenue sharing agreement I don't see the show getting picked up again unless ratings for the final 2 episodes are mind blowing (or maybe if showrunner Veena Sud decides to step down)
post #1023 of 1120
So they won't try to extend season 3 into 4 like was done in 1 and 2?
post #1024 of 1120
They said at the beginning of this season 1 season 1 case.
post #1025 of 1120
can't say I was all that impressed with the ending...the part that really irrirates me about this show in general is that the final clue to figuring out the killer is just some fluke...nothing to do with all the police work they've been doing for the entire season...Linden just happens to see the daughter wearing the ring??...this could have happened in Episode 1...not to mention the fact that the idea that Skinner would keep this 1 trophy and give it to his daughter was laughable...why keep all the other trophies together in a container but not this one?...and then he actually gives it to his daughter to wear???...was so contrived...the fact that he's a cop makes it even more ridiculous because he should definitely know better especially since he was in the clear

I just read this on another website and I totally agree..."it felt as though the show’s writers ended up pinning the murders on the least likely character (aside from Linden or Holder) for mere shock value, rather than having our fearless duo’s detective work from the last several months pay off in any significant way"

sorry but this show deserves to hit the TV graveyard...they don't know how to properly build a murder mystery...11 episodes of red herrings and the killer just magically being figured out in the final episode is terrible...they should have at least tried to sprinkle some clues with Skinner throughout the season but it's pretty much an empty show...the only thing that actually surprised me was when Callie ended up dead...I actually thought she was going to turn up alive in the end
Edited by TitusTroy - 8/5/13 at 12:21am
post #1026 of 1120
Quote:
Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post

they should have at least tried to sprinkle some clues with Skinner throughout the season but it's pretty much an empty show...
- I didn't watch the previous seasons, but was Skinner a new character this season?
post #1027 of 1120
I have to agree. I thought the season overall was very good but the ending felt contived and tacked on. I think they would have been better off having Reddick as the killer instead of being one final red herring. If they wanted to ramp up the suspense they could have had him holding the kid or another girl. So now Linden kills Skinner in cold blood in front of Holder? That is how they wanted to end the season, and possibly the series? I may be a gluten for punnishment, but I hope The Killing comes back.
post #1028 of 1120
I must have missed something along the way. How did Reddick come to be at the graveyard where Adrian happened to be hiding?
post #1029 of 1120
My take is that most successful series like Breaking Bad, Madmen...all have an extending arc from the 1st episodes to the last. This season of the Killing had 2 arcs: one from 1st episode to the 2nd to last. The last arc was all within the last 30 minutes of the last episode. It was just like every other CSI episode. There was no tie of the of the whole season together. Just another CSI wannbe.
post #1030 of 1120
Quote:
Originally Posted by tokerblue View Post

- I didn't watch the previous seasons, but was Skinner a new character this season?

yes Skinner was a new character for Season 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael252 View Post

I must have missed something along the way. How did Reddick come to be at the graveyard where Adrian happened to be hiding?

Reddick went to Adrian's foster home...he read a journal written by Adrian stating that he wanted to be with his Mom, so Reddick figured that meant that he was going to the cemetary

I felt the secondary plot lines got the short shift last night...not enough resolution to the prison guard story, the runaways, Kallie's Mom etc...so most of the runaways we met this season were killed (except for Lyric and Twitch)...why the hell did Ray admit to killing his wife and accept the death penalty when he knew he didn't do it?...and why didn't Adrian speak up sooner if he knew his father was innocent?
post #1031 of 1120
Quote:
Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post

yes Skinner was a new character for Season 3
Reddick went to Adrian's foster home...he read a journal written by Adrian stating that he wanted to be with his Mom, so Reddick figured that meant that he was going to the cemetary

I felt the secondary plot lines got the short shift last night...not enough resolution to the prison guard story, the runaways, Kallie's Mom etc...so most of the runaways we met this season were killed (except for Lyric and Twitch)...why the hell did Ray admit to killing his wife and accept the death penalty when he knew he didn't do it?...and why didn't Adrian speak up sooner if he knew his father was innocent?
Thanks, Titus...and I agree with you...they closed up the stories without much detail.
post #1032 of 1120
yikes what a letdown (but not unexpected)... Really sloppy/lazy resolution to a season long story... why can't these geniuses figure out how to actually represent a realistic investigation over the course of the season that ultimately leads to an arrest versus one character recognizing a victim's ring on a suspects daughter in the last hour (a sloppy act on behalf of the killer which goes against every action he had previously taken to cover his behavior).

Seems to me a thoughtful progression of an investigation combined with a look at the characters personal lives, interactions, etc. along with proper story arc resolutions would make for a decent season long show without some hackneyed ending as witnessed last night. The show runners accomplished some of this this season but the main part of the story (the investigation) was poorly handled and made moot by the ending (real cops/investigators must just laugh at this stuff).

Still really like the duo of Holder and Linden so I hope the series comes back but with someone else running the show.
post #1033 of 1120
Yea, I'm afraid it takes really talented writers to produce scripts that have some integrity; e.g. tie up confusing plot lines, produce clues during the season that actually point to the conclusion, etc. But that takes money and apparently "The Killing" doesn't have enough. Echoing some comments above: why was Ray willing to die for a crime he (presumably) didn't commit then, at the last minute, change his mind? Why did Adrian say that Joe was the one in the apartment? Did Skinner kill Seward's wife or not?

If this show does come back, with the same sorry collection of writers, then I wouldn't put it past them to open the 4th season with an ambulance rushing Skinner, clinging to life, to an ER.

On the positive side, the acting was really, really good (and that includes, in addition to Linden, Holder and Skinner.
post #1034 of 1120
Earlier today in another thread, I said that there is no way the most talented actors and directors can save a sorry screenplay. In short: garbage in, garbage out. The season (or series, I hope) finale for The Killing was a classic example of that. The last hour was so painfully predictable I could hardly believe that a season that had been so wonderful earlier could have been so pitiful at the end. In the scenes between Linden and LT Skinner, which led up to and followed the Big Reveal, I couldn't decide whether I felt sorrier for Mireille Enos or Elias Koteas for having been trapped in such a mess of a show. Vena Sud fooled me once with the Season 1 non-ending and fooled me again in Season 3 by making me believe that a new case would make The Killing a better show. I could not have been more wrong. I have now been baited and switched two seasons out of three. Goodbye Vena Sud and The Killing. I'm out!
post #1035 of 1120
that scene with Linden in the car with Skinner was so ridiculous...so in the middle of the trip she just gets out the car and stumbles out because her feelings were hurt?...why didn't Skinner just hit her over the head at that moment?...instead he offers her tissues??...and earlier in the episode (before anyone knew he was the killer) he offered to take Linden to his cabin for a weekend getaway??...the same cabin where he supposedly buried dozens more victims?...the ending this season was a hot mess
post #1036 of 1120
Skinner only put the other trophy's in a container in an effort to set up the porn ped guy. What I have an issue with is, he dumped all those bodies in the lake, without weighing them down, and he's a homicide lieutenant?

"Linden just happens to see the daughter wearing the ring?" Uh, yeah. She and Holder also just happened to see a pic of Reddick and one of the dead girls earlier. Why would Lindon ever go anywhere near the daughter of the man she had had an affair with? He hadn't decided to leave his wife until the day before, after twenty something years of marriage.

Actually, I put Skinner on my list way back when they started asking "Who could have known blah blah?" I started to suspect a cop, and Reddick was a bit too obvious, if only because that actor always plays an ahole.

Sarah kills Skinner. If anyone watches the Danish version, you know that at the end of the latest season, she does something similar. I thought that one actually ended worse.

To address TitusTroys comments: What more did you want to know about the prison guards? Bald guy has serious emotional issues. He finally realizes it and quits to go work on them. Business as usual for the other guard. Kallies mom, contemplating suicide. Other runaway, finally has an acceptable job, but the lure of street life is too strong. Do they need to show the same thing over and over for all the other girls?

Ray "confessed" because he felt guilty of being a ****** parent and husband. Kid was afraid to talk to the police because he knew the killer was a cop.

Yes, Skinner killed Seawards wife. He broke in the house in the middle of the night to kill the kid, but the mother surprised him. He never found the kid so he left before Seaward returned.

As far as Skinner and Lindons actions at the end: Skinner believed Lindon loved him (after the night they just had). Once he knew she was on to him, he decided to take, "Death by Lindon". That's why he tricked her into believing he had the boy. That's why he kept telling her to look at him. And that's why he kept baiting her at the end.

He wanted to die at the lake. And he wanted her to do it. I don't question that. I question why Holder didn't take her weapon, rather than standing there saying,"Don't do it".

I didn't think the ending was all that bad. I can't wait to read what you guys have to say after the last Breaking Bad episode. With all the anticipation, it doesn't stand a chance!


Sent from my Nexus 7
post #1037 of 1120
Quote:
Originally Posted by leebo View Post

Skinner only put the other trophy's in a container in an effort to set up the porn ped guy. What I have an issue with is, he dumped all those bodies in the lake, without weighing them down, and he's a homicide lieutenant?

I didn't think the ending was all that bad. I can't wait to read what you guys have to say after the last Breaking Bad episode. With all the anticipation, it doesn't stand a chance!

no he didn't put the trophies in the container solely to set up the porn guy...he was killing people (and collecting trophies) for a much longer period of time...2) why would Linden go near the daughter?...she's gone near the wife/family multiple times this season...3) so Ray wants to die for being a bad father?...so then why change his mind at the end after realizing that evidence exists which could exonerate him?...the evidence would not clear him of being a bad father...I could go on but the show is not worth it...it's nice that you want to rationalize every plot hole but if you enjoy the show then great...and comparing The Killing to Breaking Bad is absolute blasphemy!
post #1038 of 1120
Quote:
Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post

....and comparing The Killing to Breaking Bad is absolute blasphemy!
+ infinity "times" infinity smile.gif
post #1039 of 1120
I have mixed feelings about how this ended, mostly because as others have said it was resolved by dumb luck. I do think the acting was terrific throughout and both Enos and Kinnaman deserve Emmy nominations, but I'm not convinced this show needs to go on. It will be sad if this is the last we see of Linden but perhaps appropriate - she is damaged goods and if we thought she had a chance at redemption at the beginning of the season you sure don't think that way now.

Oh well, at least Holder (my favorite character) is the man who comes out the best from this sad tale, this is not a show to be watched if you can't handle a lot of pain.
post #1040 of 1120
Generally I love this show, and hope it comes back (with its warts and blemishes) just for another season of Linden and Holder. But channeling "Se7en" twice in the same season? A little too much, as much as I love that movie. First a couple episodes back ("What's in the trunk?" "Don't look in the trunk." etc etc) and then the final scene. Come to think of it, that serial killer was caught by happenstance much like this one. Lots of quality police work, but in the end the guy just walked into the station and surrendered.
post #1041 of 1120
Quote:
Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post

...and comparing The Killing to Breaking Bad is absolute blasphemy!

I'm not comparing the two. I'm predicting that a lot of people have unrealistic expectations for the ending.
I know the Lt. has been collecting trophies for years. The statement was, why did he put them in a container, with his knowledge and expertise as a homicide detective. And I'm saying he put THOSE trophies in a container for the sole purpose of setting up porno guy.

I'll keep an eye open for your comments after BB ends.

Sent from my Nexus 7
post #1042 of 1120
I thought the ending was kind of weak Time to end it.. Bring back Rubicon with Truxton Spangler......
post #1043 of 1120
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray Lucca View Post

I thought the ending was kind of weak Time to end it.. Bring back Rubicon with Truxton Spangler......

Yep, where is Truxton Spangler when we need him? When last seen, Truxton (aka Michael Cristofer) was hiding out on Smash as Jerry Rand, a sleazy Broadway producer.smile.gif
post #1044 of 1120
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray Lucca View Post

I thought the ending was kind of weak Time to end it.. Bring back Rubicon with Truxton Spangler......
If only... Rubicon would be great on a premium net like HBO/SHO where ratings are not nearly as important.

As far as "The Killing" goes, it's time for it to be killed for sure this time, this last episode was so incredibly bad for all the reasons noted by others above. A lot of great individual performances, but once again the showrunner fell flat on her face when it came time to bring it all together at the end.
post #1045 of 1120
Quote:
Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

Yep, where is Truxton Spangler when we need him? When last seen, Truxton (aka Michael Cristofer) was hiding out on Smash as Jerry Rand, a sleazy Broadway producer.smile.gif
For as long as I live and continue to watch TV I can't see how there will ever be a better character name than "Truxton Spangler". biggrin.gif
post #1046 of 1120
Another vote to bring back 'Rubicon'. Loved that show! "Too smart for TV", probably. frown.gif

As to 'The Killing' finale, I've been a big defender of this show, but maybe I really just like the two main characters. This season was kind of convoluted, and the ending just came out of nowhere. Skinner had not been shown to even remotely be a suspect, there was nothing leading to him or involving him in the girls' deaths all season. Then it ends so abruptly with LInden gunning him down in cold blood. I'm sorry, but betrayal in matters of the heart isn't a good enough reason to blow him away. He wasn't armed; how would she defend the shooting? It all just left a bad taste in my mouth, kind of like I've been.... betrayed.

I wasn't bothered at all by the non-resolution at the end of the first season, and quite enjoyed the 2-season ride to find Rosie's killer. But I have a much more bitter taste in my mouth this time. If it comes back again, I'm not sure I'll be there.
post #1047 of 1120
Quote:
Originally Posted by djbrown13 View Post

Generally I love this show, and hope it comes back (with its warts and blemishes) just for another season of Linden and Holder. But channeling "Se7en" twice in the same season? A little too much, as much as I love that movie. First a couple episodes back ("What's in the trunk?" "Don't look in the trunk." etc etc) and then the final scene. Come to think of it, that serial killer was caught by happenstance much like this one. Lots of quality police work, but in the end the guy just walked into the station and surrendered.

in Se7en the killer turned himself in which I thought worked great for that particular movie...he wanted to torture the Brad Pitt character...that being said I always thought Se7en was a bit overrated...Silence of the Lambs was the far, far better movie and is in my Top 5 all time
Quote:
Originally Posted by leebo View Post

I'm not comparing the two. I'm predicting that a lot of people have unrealistic expectations for the ending.
I know the Lt. has been collecting trophies for years. The statement was, why did he put them in a container, with his knowledge and expertise as a homicide detective. And I'm saying he put THOSE trophies in a container for the sole purpose of setting up porno guy.

I'll keep an eye open for your comments after BB ends.

I don't think people had unrealistic expectations going in because the show was underwhelming for most people...you can only have expectations for things you hold in high regard...people have high expectations for Breaking Bad or LOST or Sopranos because those shows are held in high esteem...all people wanted for The Killing was an ending that made sense in context with the entire season...literally any character would have made sense as the killer with the way the show is structured but that doesn't mean it's a good story

the question should not be why did Skinner keep trophies from his victims (real life serial killers do that all the time)...the question should be why did he keep all the trophies but suddenly decide to give 1 of them to his daughter!!...that was silly beyond words...obviously the writers could not think of a better way to reveal him as the true killer and needed to suddenly wrap things up...they wanted shock value versus giving us a coherent story where the clues were sprinkled throughout the season...they basically spent the entire season giving out fake clues to red herrings same like with the Rosie Larsen case
post #1048 of 1120
Quote:
Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

I wasn't bothered at all by the non-resolution at the end of the first season, and quite enjoyed the 2-season ride to find Rosie's killer. But I have a much more bitter taste in my mouth this time. If it comes back again, I'm not sure I'll be there.

I also wasn't bothered by the Rosie Larsen case being spread out over 2 seasons...I think the show just aspires to be something greater then it actually is...it wants to be some great work of art but it's honestly just an average show...I'm getting tired of Linden's constant sour, depressed outlook on everything...Holder is great but even his act can wear thin...if the show is renewed for another season can we get Linden a new wardrobe...her sweater look is awful and she needs a makeover...if Holder can switchup from his hoodie to a suit for a few episodes then Linden can get a more fashionable look as well
post #1049 of 1120
Quote:
Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by leebo View Post

I'm not comparing the two. I'm predicting that a lot of people have unrealistic expectations for the ending.

I don't think people had unrealistic expectations going in because the show was underwhelming for most people...you can only have expectations for things you hold in high regard...people have high expectations for Breaking Bad or LOST or Sopranos because those shows are held in high esteem...all people wanted for The Killing was an ending that made sense in context with the entire season.

Apparently i'm a very bad communicator. I wasn't saying people had too high expectations for The Killing. I was talking about Braking Bad. Check back in 8 weeks to see what I mean.

Sent from my Nexus 7
post #1050 of 1120
Quote:
Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post

.if the show is renewed for another season can we get Linden a new wardrobe...her sweater look is awful and she needs a makeover...if Holder can switchup from his hoodie to a suit for a few episodes then Linden can get a more fashionable look as well
I think Linden will be going with the orange jumpsuit look.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: HDTV Programming
AVS › AVS Forum › HDTV › HDTV Programming › The Killing on AMC HD