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post #511 of 905
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Originally Posted by bruce73 View Post

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No, we didn't, just Holder yelling, "No, no!" I thought at first a cop standing behind Holder shot him until later when suicide was mentioned. But after re-watching, Holder's reaction makes sense.

The problem is that, almost invariably, shows of this ilk relish the opportunity to show as much as possible. I can't think of a reason, if Belko indeed committed suicide, that they wouldn't show him putting the gun in his mouth, or to his head, etc. Of course I could easily be overthinking this but it just seems odd to present a suicide in such an ambiguous way.
post #512 of 905
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Originally Posted by nlk10010 View Post


The problem is that, almost invariably, shows of this ilk relish the opportunity to show as much as possible. I can't think of a reason, if Belko indeed committed suicide, that they wouldn't show him putting the gun in his mouth, or to his head, etc. Of course I could easily be overthinking this but it just seems odd to present a suicide in such an ambiguous way.

To be honest, I had the same thought. It clearly is ambiguous, and suicide wasn't my first impression. But, after re-watching, the way Holder reacts and says "No" suggests that Belko has made a sudden move to harm himself.
post #513 of 905
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Originally Posted by nlk10010 View Post

Yea, it's either going to be that Jack is associated with the tattoo in the movie (man, Super 8???) or he's going to be a fount of information.

probably just another red herring...I think every character on the show has been a suspect at one time or another ...pretty soon we'll see Linden as a suspect
post #514 of 905
OK, I am going to repeat this from my earlier post - Holder's comment -" the guy she robbed banks with". Maybe the most important line of dialogue from the whole premiere and if you blinked you would have missed it.
Implies Rosie was robbing banks.
post #515 of 905
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Originally Posted by Plasmacat View Post

OK, I am going to repeat this from my earlier post - Holder's comment -" the guy she robbed banks with". Maybe the most important line of dialogue from the whole premiere and if you blinked you would have missed it.
Implies Rosie was robbing banks.

Well, yes, you're correct, (at least) I did miss that. Would you be kind enough to tell me when the line was uttered (e.g. in the coming attractions, when Holder is talking to [blank])? Actually, what would then be most surprising to me is the fact that Holder knew she was robbing banks. When did he find out, how did he find out?

Thanks.
post #516 of 905
He was talking to his boss? - the bald guy - in his office just before they were leaving and he was looking at something from the Larsen case on his desk and just as they were going out the door he said the line.
post #517 of 905
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Originally Posted by Plasmacat View Post

He was talking to his boss? - the bald guy - in his office just before they were leaving and he was looking at something from the Larsen case on his desk and just as they were going out the door he said the line.

I totally missed that line.

The part I'm getting miffed about is the show is halfway decently written, but they're dragging out the Holder/Linden get-back-together too long. He knew she was in the motel room, but he just keeps saying "I gotta talk to you" and banging his head on the door. How about "I know the picture was a fake and I'm being played for a dupe - we need to tackle this together"? Maybe then she would have opened the door.
post #518 of 905
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Originally Posted by fhall1 View Post

The part I'm getting miffed about is the show is halfway decently written, but they're dragging out the Holder/Linden get-back-together too long. He knew she was in the motel room, but he just keeps saying "I gotta talk to you" and banging his head on the door. How about "I know the picture was a fake and I'm being played for a dupe - we need to tackle this together"? Maybe then she would have opened the door.

That's EXACTLY what I was thinking he should have said.

All things considered, I still like the show. The characters and their development are excellent, as is the acting played by each one. The plot is simple...FIND ROSIE'S KILLER...but the means to that end is what drives this show and it's plain to see that it's going to get much more complex than what we saw in the first two seasons. I have no problem with that; in fact, I'm looking forward to new characters coming on board (like the DA in Sunday's episode).
post #519 of 905
What was it that Linden had the reporter say when she called Holden's sponsor? It was something about "congratulations on the arrest....", but I missed what followed.
post #520 of 905
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Originally Posted by skoolpsyk View Post

What was it that Linden had the reporter say when she called Holden's sponsor? It was something about "congratulations on the arrest....", but I missed what followed.

I think she asked the reporter to ask him about the photos and that there was information that the photos were faked. That's why he immediately deleted them off the computer. Linden's actions aren't making a whole lotta sense to me. She is making some incredibly bad decisions not the least of them with her son. This show is going to have to get somewhere soon or I am leaving it. I am not going to spend another season dealing with this same case. It isn't interesting enough and I don't give a crap about some huge web of conspiracy that they are obviously lining up.
post #521 of 905
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Originally Posted by bruce73 View Post

OT: keenan, have you seen the latest Varg Veum yet? Varg goes international -- a lot of fun. :-)

OT: I'm not Keenan - but my Blu-ray of the latest Varg Veum arrived on Saturday. Hope to watch it tomorrow evening.

Re- watched the first film last week - they are very good. Really makes me want to visit Bergen soon.
post #522 of 905
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Originally Posted by daryl zero View Post

This show is going to have to get somewhere soon or I am leaving it. I am not going to spend another season dealing with this same case. It isn't interesting enough and I don't give a crap about some huge web of conspiracy that they are obviously lining up.

Guess you're going to be leaving it then, because they're not going to reveal the killer until the end of this season.
post #523 of 905
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Originally Posted by slowbiscuit View Post

Guess you're going to be leaving it then, because they're not going to reveal the killer until the end of this season.

Someone mentioned earlier (it may have been keenan) that season one of the original series was shown in two separate airings over the course of a year, so it would appear that it had the more episodes per season. I wonder if, when this was developed for AMC, if the plan all along was to spread it out over two seasons to accommodate that. But that there had to be at least a suggestion (some would rightfully argue it was stronger than that) that some sort of resolution would happen at the end of season one to maintain viewership.
post #524 of 905
Actually it wouldn't bother me in the least if the case was never solved and they eventually just moved on; sometimes that happens in real life (but seldom happens on television).

The JonBenet Ramsey case certainly had it's share of missteps/"red herrings"/false hopes but it has always been intriguing and tragic.
post #525 of 905
Really enjoyed it and glad to see it back. The plot thickens! It appears the conspiracy goes all the way up. Lieutenant Oakes was "relieved of his command" because, I'm guessing, the fake photo was discovered. But if the new lieutenant is in on it, why keep Linden on the case? So they can eventually set her up somehow and frame her for the murder?

Relieved to see Holder wasn't dirty after all, just seething with class hatred (I'm guessing) of Richmond. It also looks like Gil "recruited" Holder for Dirty Cop Squad from AA in the first place by becoming his sponsor. Pretty villainous. Hey, whaddaya know - it's still raining out there!
post #526 of 905
I'm liking this series. Reminds me of the game heavy rain. Dark gloomy rainy.

A lot of conspiracies for just a city council/mayor position. Like 24 only on a local level. I'm wondering what Rosie found out to have her murdered and her case covered up like this
post #527 of 905
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Originally Posted by skoolpsyk View Post

Actually it wouldn't bother me in the least if the case was never solved and they eventually just moved on; sometimes that happens in real life (but seldom happens on television).

The JonBenet Ramsey case certainly had it's share of missteps/"red herrings"/false hopes but it has always been intriguing and tragic.

And, time wise, only 14 days have passed. Not a very long time to wrap-up a complicated case with only circumstantial evidence so far.

jdg
post #528 of 905
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Originally Posted by Plasmacat View Post

OK, I am going to repeat this from my earlier post - Holder's comment -" the guy she robbed banks with". Maybe the most important line of dialogue from the whole premiere and if you blinked you would have missed it.
Implies Rosie was robbing banks.

Actually, the line was "The guy she was riding bikes with?"

Check your CC....spoken when they were talking about the close up of the tatoo of the anime character seen in the rear view mirror on the photo taken from the home movie.
post #529 of 905
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Originally Posted by Karnis View Post

Actually, the line was "The guy she was riding bikes with?"

Check your CC....spoken when they were talking about the close up of the tatoo of the anime character seen in the rear view mirror on the photo taken from the home movie.

I DID hear that line (bikes)....no wonder I didn't remember hearing the one about robbing banks.
post #530 of 905
Pretty pleased with the second season so far, after it seemed to waver during the middle of the first. May have something to do with seeing less of the M Forbes catatonia scenes this year, since she's gone away for awhile. Enjoy it when Holder and Linden are together, nice to see funny Holder back.
post #531 of 905
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Originally Posted by StonesCat View Post

Enjoy it when Holder and Linden are together, nice to see funny Holder back.

+1. As with season one, Holder is my favorite character.
post #532 of 905
the killer has to be someone with a personal hatred of Rosie or her family...the killer wanted her to suffer hence the reason she was locked in the trunk while she was still alive...that's a lot of anger there...so we can eliminate all this political BS red herrings and focus mainly on those closest to her
post #533 of 905
I have nothing to add that the lack of comments about the second season hasn't already said.
post #534 of 905
they seem to be following the same format this season as last...new suspect emerges, they follow the clues, find out he's not the killer after an episode or 2, move on to the new red herring

Mitch's side story seems silly and the mayoral election stuff with Richmond now in a wheelchair has grown even more stale...I am enjoying the Holden/Linden interaction this season more then last and when they are focusing on the case itself the show is pretty decent

so now Stan is not Rosie's biological father?...were all these plots and red herrings in the original Danish version of the show?
post #535 of 905
Anybody know when the killer will be revealed?
post #536 of 905
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Originally Posted by mikey mo View Post

Anybody know when the killer will be revealed?

While of course posts here are not necessarily representative of the opinions of viewers at large, it seems the producers of this show got what they wanted: waning interest from a disgusted group of followers.

The killer will probably be revealed when only diehard viewers are left.

Of course, just my view of things and I'm sure there are those who are really into this show and will watch whether the culprit is revealed or not.
post #537 of 905
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Originally Posted by nlk10010 View Post


While of course posts here are not necessarily representative of the opinions of viewers at large, it seems the producers of this show got what they wanted: waning interest from a disgusted group of followers.

Is that what they wanted? ;-)
post #538 of 905
For me the only way this show can have a good ending is if Holder and Linden are actually disguises for Fred and Carrie. They ripoff their lifelike masks, reveal themselves and explain they were doing this absurb storyline because they were jealous of the attention Seattle was getting over Portland. The last scene is Veena Sud suspended in a giant pickle jar.
post #539 of 905
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Originally Posted by bruce73 View Post

Is that what they wanted? ;-)

Well, I think it's kinder to say that was their objective than to say the producers thought failing to reveal the killer, either at the end of last season or the beginning of this one, and then dragging out the storyline by using stupid plot devices cropping up out of nowhere (e.g. "not her real father") would increase viewership.

Regardless, if my observation turns out to be correct (who knows?) then they'll have gotten what they deserved.
post #540 of 905
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Originally Posted by KOA View Post

I have nothing to add that the lack of comments about the second season hasn't already said.

I gave up in the middle of the last show. There isn't enough payoff. I am patient and I loved Rubicon but this show is too cloying and annoying. I want to slap every character. That is all.
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