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post #691 of 905
6/18/12 at 11:03pm
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Originally Posted by Karnis View Post

2 questions, since it was streched out over 2 seasons some of the details have become foggy:
1) When did the broken tail light come into play?
2) Is it possible that when Terry saw the photo a couple of episodes ago that was the first time she realized she actually killed Rosie...or were the details made public earlier?
(1) Ames' son remembered his dad coming home at 4am in a "cab" with a broken tail light.
(2) Not sure about 2 but I would think she would have known of the details earlier than that night.
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post #692 of 905
6/19/12 at 8:19am
I cannot recall....was where Rosie was finally killed (the lake) ever shown on the TV news reports at all during S1? The Larsens initially thought Rosie was dead before she hit the lake (based on what they were told). It was only after Janek brought Stan the police file that they knew what really happened to Rosie. I took from Terry's finding the crime scene picture that it was the first time she had finally put 2+2 together & that it was in fact Rosie in the trunk of that car.

While images of the Richmond campaign car being pulled from the lake would surely have been seen on TV news reports....they would not be airing them daily for 2+ weeks. The media had moved on - if Terry had not been in front of a TV early on, it is possible she never saw THAT car at THAT lake.

Then again, part of her need to stay & help Stan with the kids after Mitch went MIA now seems rooted in guilt. Perhaps it was the discovery of the crime scene photo that simply confirmed the possibility in her mind that Terry had inadvertently killed her niece. Still doesn't change the fact that Terry still disposed of a body in order to win the heart of the married man she was screwing - and who subsequently kicked her to the curb. Living with the fact that the body you dumped was both still alive AND your sister's kid is almost punishment enough.
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post #693 of 905
6/19/12 at 8:27am
As for Jaime, I did not see his turn (so to speak) to crazed murderer all that surprising. He struck me as a guy who perhaps has had to adios a dead hooker once or twice.
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post #694 of 905
6/19/12 at 8:42am
To me its not feasible that Terry did not know she killed Rosie the moment after she heard about Rosie dying in a trunk in a lake! Unless of course she put random people in the trunk of cars into the lake once a week or so. I guessed it was Terry but not based on the evidence. Just a random guess. I certainly enjoyed the last few episodes but it would really have been exciting if the reveal made sense.
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post #695 of 905
6/19/12 at 11:31am
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To me its not feasible that Terry did not know she killed Rosie the moment after she heard about Rosie dying in a trunk in a lake! Unless of course she put random people in the trunk of cars into the lake once a week or so. I guessed it was Terry but not based on the evidence. Just a random guess. I certainly enjoyed the last few episodes but it would really have been exciting if the reveal made sense.

I agree that Terry knew what she had done immediately upon seeing the news reports of the car having been pulled from the lake with Rosie in the trunk. She had to. And she had been living with the guilt ever since. What she didn't know until she saw the police report was that Rosie had been alive when she pushed the car into the lake. My guess is that if Linden and Holder had not solved the case she would either have 1) confessed, or 2) been driven insane from the guilt.

Clearly, she didn't give up Ames or he would have been indicted as an accessory to murder. You don't "get someone off" through a phone call from the mayor for that. What I don't understand is how she would have gotten though the police interview without naming him. What other reason could she have possibly had to be out there that night? I guess she could have concocted a story about how she conspired with Jamie alone, but based on her character, I can't really see that happening.

As for Richmond, he's become everything he hated and campaigned against. He knows Ames was involved because Jamie told him. Yet he apparently didn't tell the police. So, due to his and Terry's silence, Ames walks (and will forever be in Richmond's debt), and the Chief too. You could see the disappointment written on Gwen's face as she watches Darren become just another politician, willing to do whatever it takes, just like her father.

Linden can't accept that concept of "imperfect justice", but the more practical and less fanatical Holder just goes back to work - "There's another body and we're up". But Linden can't just retire; what would she do? She'll be drawn back into the fray next season, if there is one. I, for one, hope there is. This was pretty darn good TV, IMO.
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post #696 of 905
6/19/12 at 1:47pm
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

What she didn't know until she saw the police report was that Rosie had been alive when she pushed the car into the lake.
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After the car hit the water the audience could hear the yelling from the trunk so it seems she should have been able to hear the screams also. She knew someone was alive in the trunk when it went into the water.
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post #697 of 905
6/19/12 at 2:39pm
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Originally Posted by KOA 
After the car hit the water the audience could hear the yelling from the trunk so it seems she should have been able to hear the screams also. She knew someone was alive in the trunk when it went into the water.

Yes, that's right - you could clearly hear the screams; I had forgotten that. Terry knew all along - wow. Bet next Thanksgiving dinner at the Larsen's is going to be a little tense.
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post #698 of 905
6/19/12 at 3:34pm
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

Yes, that's right - you could clearly hear the screams; I had forgotten that. Terry knew all along - wow. Bet next Thanksgiving dinner at the Larsen's is going to be a little tense.

It *may*be tense at their next Thanksgivng dinner but it won't be tense because of Terry's presence...she'll be eating turkey in the Big House for a very long time.rolleyes.gif
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post #699 of 905
6/19/12 at 3:51pm
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What I don't understand is how she would have gotten though the police interview without naming him. What other reason could she have possibly had to be out there that night? I guess she could have concocted a story about how she conspired with Jamie alone, but based on her character, I can't really see that happening.

You recall the shot where Terry is being interviewed....on the other side of the wall was another interrogation room with Ames being interviewed. Was it Linden and Holden who had Ames brought in for questioning...or did Terry tell the police she was at the lake with Ames....or both?
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post #700 of 905
6/20/12 at 6:17am
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Originally Posted by djoberg View Post

You recall the shot where Terry is being interviewed....on the other side of the wall was another interrogation room with Ames being interviewed. Was it Linden and Holden who had Ames brought in for questioning...or did Terry tell the police she was at the lake with Ames....or both?

Holder and Linden must have brought him in. If Terry had implicated him in any way, he would have been charged as an accessory and because it's a capital murder case, held without bond (I think).
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post #701 of 905
6/20/12 at 6:55am
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Originally Posted by TitusTroy View Post

what did Holder say to Linden in the car in that final scene after he gets the call about a murder?...it sounded all muddled to me and I couldn't make it out even after rewinding that scene...a few of the cast members stated that Season 3's story would be clearly laid out in the finale...I didn't get that sense...I honestly don't think that the show is going to be renewed for another season based on the big ratings drop this year along with the bad buzz after last year's finale

He said "keep in touch" and something like "you may need a ride"
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post #702 of 905
6/20/12 at 7:09am
I didn't watch any of Season 2 of The Killing until the last two episodes, which I watched only to learn, far too late, who killed Rosie. I have resolved not to offer any editorial commentary of my own about Season 2 but wanted to post a link to a Grantland piece about the show from the estimable Andy Greenwald. Here are a couple of quotes from the piece, without further comment from me. Make of all this what you will:
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Over the 26 accumulated hours of its benighted existence, AMC's The Killing established an impressive baseline of ignorance on a great number of topics, among them police work, mobile phones, newspapers, adultery, spinal injuries, elections, casinos, Native American politics, moshing, eating, parenting, psychiatry, technology, butterflies, justice, simple human logic, and rain. But none of those basic, often breathtaking whiffs resonated as much as the show's deepest and most problematic mistake: a failure to understand just what it is people want from a television show.
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If [Venna] Sud [The Killing's creator] wanted to teach us a lesson, it wasn't one worth learning. There's no merit badge for nihilism, no Peabody for peevishness. No matter how lofty or new-agey her goals were with The Killing, it failed on nearly all of them. Serialized storytelling is never easy. It's a delicate dance between satisfying the audience and stringing them along. It's necessary to play with expectation, yes, but also to not play anyone for a fool. Still, credit where credit is due: At the close, Sud did finally stumble into a rare moment of empathy when she revealed Rosie's lone sin as being in the wrong place at the wrong time. It's a feeling anyone who spent the last 12 Sundays tuned to AMC at 9 p.m. can surely understand.
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post #703 of 905
6/20/12 at 7:36am
I think most of the people who endlessly complain about the show should do some deep introspection into their own lives. With all the garbage out there on the tube, THIS show is what people have to pontificate about, over and over and over? It at least made an attempt at quality. Get outside, enjoy life, it's TV, the show is most likely over now, let it go.
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post #704 of 905
6/20/12 at 7:51am
^^^^^

I may be in a small minority, but as I stated in an earlier post, I LOVED the show. Stan and Holder were my favorite characters and their acting was superb, but other characters (Linden, Richmond, Mitch, Terry, Gwen, Jamie, et al.) also served to make this cop/drama shine, IMHO. When yo compare this show to the majority of tv sitcoms, reality shows, and other genres offering mindless drivel, The Killing outperforms them on every level.
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post #705 of 905
6/20/12 at 9:27am
For me, it helped that I started S1 via Netflix about 2 weeks ago, then caught up to the finale via Sundance repeats of S2 & Comcast OnDemand. By the time of the finale, we were 100% caught up & watched it live on AMC.

Afterwards, I read of the many complaints - esp the time it took to wrap it up. If i had watched in "real time" like most, I could see getting a little impatient. But, much like how rewatching S3 of LOST via BluRay over the course of 3-4 days made the whole "Sawyer/Kate in a polar bear cage" business flow much more quickly, The Killing certainly benefits from marathon viewing..

Felt this was a really great show - certainly better than most anything one gets from traditional broadcast network fare.

If there is no 3rd season, I'm fine with it - the ending felt like an ending for the primary players. But it does seem that there could be a reason to further persue justice for Rosie by going after the now seemingly crooked new mayor & his various buddies (Ames & the butch Cheif), and perhaps bring in the former mayor to assist in bringing them down - despite signs initially pointing to Adams being involved, he was really just a pawn in the end. That would have to sting a little for a guy with his size of ego.

Terry did get what she deserved - even if it weren't her niece in the trunk, the woman killed someone in the hopes that her act would somehow lead to Ames leaving his wife & running off w/ her. Thought it was pretty brilliant that over the course of the show, they made Terry rather likable (the woman is a saint for sticking around), but then we simply learn that it was guilt that made Terry such a "saint", when in fact she was just sick & pathetic.
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post #706 of 905
6/20/12 at 9:39am
Well... I'm not actually sure it is a capital murder case. It's a first degree murder case, for sure, and I'm not sure what the special circumstances/aggravated murder statute in WA says, but I don't see an obvious one here.

It's an unusual case, because you have two people principally involved, but who did not conspire with each other or act together. If I was the DA charging this (and Jamie had lived), it probably would have been charged something like this:

Jamie -- kidnapping, aggravated assault and (maybe) attempted murder
Terri -- first degree murder (premeditation and deliberation making it 1st rather than 2nd degree)
Ames - accessory and (maybe) obstruction of justice.
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post #707 of 905
6/21/12 at 7:16am
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I didn't watch any of Season 2 of The Killing until the last two episodes, which I watched only to learn, far too late, who killed Rosie. I have resolved not to offer any editorial commentary of my own about Season 2 but wanted to post a link to a Grantland piece about the show from the estimable Andy Greenwald. Here are a couple of quotes from the piece, without further comment from me. Make of all this what you will:]

For lack of better judgment, I read those two excerpts you posted. I did so based on your comment, "Make of all this what you will," which implies there may be a bit of good and bad in Mr. Greenwald's commentary. NOT SO!! He trashes The Killing with every syllable. So, even though you said you would not "offer any editorial commentary," you proceed to use Mr. Greenwald to continue your bashing of The Killing. I find this to be so disingenuous that I'm tempted to use the Ignore feature if I see another post by you.
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post #708 of 905
6/21/12 at 7:31am
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^^^^^
I may be in a small minority, but as I stated in an earlier post, I LOVED the show. Stan and Holder were my favorite characters and their acting was superb, but other characters (Linden, Richmond, Mitch, Terry, Gwen, Jamie, et al.) also served to make this cop/drama shine, IMHO. When yo compare this show to the majority of tv sitcoms, reality shows, and other genres offering mindless drivel, The Killing outperforms them on every level.

You are not in the minority .. although anyone can express their like/dislike for a show thru whatever means they feel justifies it, there are many of us that like the show a lot .. I've always wondered the motivation of folks that bash, I mean, if you don't like it, why are you watching it, why are you taking the time to complain, why bother .. ?? Your wasting your own time .. and critics .. ?? Well, by their very nature, they like to criticize .. it defends their position .. Killing scores a 7.9 out of 10 on IMDb, clearly indicating the vast majority of viewers like the show ..

At any rate, I hope we get a 3rd season .. Holder and Linden should be up there with Crockett and Tubbs ..
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post #709 of 905
6/21/12 at 7:48am
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You are not in the minority .. although anyone can express their like/dislike for a show thru whatever means they feel justifies it, there are many of us that like the show a lot .. I've always wondered the motivation of folks that bash, I mean, if you don't like it, why are you watching it, why are you taking the time to complain, why bother .. ?? Your wasting your own time .. and critics .. ?? Well, by their very nature, they like to criticize .. it defends their position .. Killing scores a 7.9 out of 10 on IMDb, clearly indicating the vast majority of viewers like the show ..
At any rate, I hope we get a 3rd season .. Holder and Linden should be up there with Crockett and Tubbs ..

Some people just like to jump on bandwagons whenever they roll by. I wasn't bothered in the least by having to wait another season to find out the final reveal of Rosie's killer. In fact, I was glad the primary storyline got to go on for another season; that's how most serialized dramas work. This show was always more about the journey than the destination, and the journey was pretty darn entertaining to me. I didn't read, nor did I care, what Veena Sud -- or AMC for that matter -- had to say outside the confines of the show itself. But we live in an instant gratification society, and one that's now profoundly connected in a way unique to history. It became nerd-chic to be "outraged" about "AMC's duplicity" in "leading us on" like that. Oh, the horror!

Oh, the silliness. I've never seen much point in cutting off my nose to spite my face. If you missed the second season of this terrific drama because you chose to jump on the Outrage Bandwagon, it's your loss. The rest of us - well, we had a pretty good time didn't we?
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post #710 of 905
6/21/12 at 7:59am
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

You are not in the minority .. although anyone can express their like/dislike for a show thru whatever means they feel justifies it, there are many of us that like the show a lot .. I've always wondered the motivation of folks that bash, I mean, if you don't like it, why are you watching it, why are you taking the time to complain, why bother .. ?? Your wasting your own time .. and critics .. ?? Well, by their very nature, they like to criticize .. it defends their position .. Killing scores a 7.9 out of 10 on IMDb, clearly indicating the vast majority of viewers like the show ..
At any rate, I hope we get a 3rd season .. Holder and Linden should be up there with Crockett and Tubbs ..
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Originally Posted by archiguy 
Some people just like to jump on bandwagons whenever they roll by. I wasn't bothered in the least by having to wait another season to find out the final reveal of Rosie's killer. In fact, I was glad the primary storyline got to go on for another season; that's how most serialized dramas work. This show was always more about the journey than the destination, and the journey was pretty darn interesting to me. I didn't read, nor did I care, what Veena Sud -- or AMC for that matter -- had to say outside the confines of the show itself. But we live in an instant gratification society, and one that's now profoundly connected in a way unique to history. It became nerd-chic to be "outraged" about "AMC's duplicity" in "leading us on" like that. Oh, the horror!

Oh, the silliness. I've never seen much point in cutting off my nose to spite my face. If you missed the second season of this terrific drama because you chose to jump on the Outrage Bandwagon, it's your loss. The rest of us - well, we had a pretty good time

As to why people love to bash things in talkback forums?

Let me hand it over to Kevin Smith (although verbalized on screen by Ben Affleck):

"The Internet is a communications device that brings people the world over together to bitch about movies and share pornography with one another......sad, pathetic little bastards living in their parents' basement downloading scripts and what they think is inside information about movies and actors they claim to despise yet can't stop discussing. "

Of course, you can swap "movies" for "tv shows"...or video games, music, etc...

As I mentioned earlier, I plowed thru the entire series in about 2.5 weeks - had to wait about a week between wrapping up S1 via Netflix to when Sundance started the S2 rerun marathon from the beginning, suplemented by what Comcast had available OnDemand. By this last Sunday, we were caught up & watched the finale "live" on AMC. So for me, the painful wait to find Rosie's killer was not painful at all. Great show.

I also wanted to add that Joel Kinnaman, IMO, knocked it out of the park. Absolutely nailed the whole meth-head vibe & physicality, but made this particular addict (or at least recovering addict) likable. Curious to see Kinnaman's big screen transformation into Robocop soon. His presence has made me a tad more interested in this particular Hollywood reboot.
Edited by jwebb1970 - 6/21/12 at 8:10am
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post #711 of 905
6/21/12 at 8:01am
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

Some people just like to jump on bandwagons whenever they roll by. I wasn't bothered in the least by having to wait another season to find out the final reveal of Rosie's killer. In fact, I was glad the primary storyline got to go on for another season; that's how most serialized dramas work. This show was always more about the journey than the destination, and the journey was pretty darn entertaining to me. I didn't read, nor did I care, what Veena Sud -- or AMC for that matter -- had to say outside the confines of the show itself. But we live in an instant gratification society, and one that's now profoundly connected in a way unique to history. It became nerd-chic to be "outraged" about "AMC's duplicity" in "leading us on" like that. Oh, the horror!
Oh, the silliness. I've never seen much point in cutting off my nose to spite my face. If you missed the second season of this terrific drama because you chose to jump on the Outrage Bandwagon, it's your loss. The rest of us - well, we had a pretty good time didn't we?

Ditto and Ditto .. although I will say that at Season One finale, I was a little "outraged" .. wink.gif

TV is filled these days with way too much nonsense .. it's nice to have an actual story, with folks you can relate to .. well acted and well written ..

Now, I'm waiting for "Breaking Bad" .. from the clips, it looks like Walt has gone fully over to the Dark Side .. biggrin.gif
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post #712 of 905
6/21/12 at 8:05am
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I cannot recall....was where Rosie was finally killed (the lake) ever shown on the TV news reports at all during S1? The Larsens initially thought Rosie was dead before she hit the lake (based on what they were told). It was only after Janek brought Stan the police file that they knew what really happened to Rosie. I took from Terry's finding the crime scene picture that it was the first time she had finally put 2+2 together & that it was in fact Rosie in the trunk of that car.
While images of the Richmond campaign car being pulled from the lake would surely have been seen on TV news reports....they would not be airing them daily for 2+ weeks. The media had moved on - if Terry had not been in front of a TV early on, it is possible she never saw THAT car at THAT lake.
Then again, part of her need to stay & help Stan with the kids after Mitch went MIA now seems rooted in guilt. Perhaps it was the discovery of the crime scene photo that simply confirmed the possibility in her mind that Terry had inadvertently killed her niece. Still doesn't change the fact that Terry still disposed of a body in order to win the heart of the married man she was screwing - and who subsequently kicked her to the curb. Living with the fact that the body you dumped was both still alive AND your sister's kid is almost punishment enough.

There is absolutely no way that Terry did not know that Rosie was in the trunk of the car before seeing the photos. Seeing the photos was just a gruesome visual of how awful it was.

Think about it - Terry was with Stan and the family every day, of course she knew. If somehow, she was living in a bunker and didn't watch any news or read any newspapers, Stan would've mentioned having to ID Rosie coming out of the trunk of a car in a lake, etc.
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post #713 of 905
6/21/12 at 8:11am
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I agree that Terry knew what she had done immediately upon seeing the news reports of the car having been pulled from the lake with Rosie in the trunk. She had to. And she had been living with the guilt ever since. What she didn't know until she saw the police report was that Rosie had been alive when she pushed the car into the lake. My guess is that if Linden and Holder had not solved the case she would either have 1) confessed, or 2) been driven insane from the guilt.
Clearly, she didn't give up Ames or he would have been indicted as an accessory to murder. You don't "get someone off" through a phone call from the mayor for that. What I don't understand is how she would have gotten though the police interview without naming him. What other reason could she have possibly had to be out there that night? I guess she could have concocted a story about how she conspired with Jamie alone, but based on her character, I can't really see that happening.
As for Richmond, he's become everything he hated and campaigned against. He knows Ames was involved because Jamie told him. Yet he apparently didn't tell the police. So, due to his and Terry's silence, Ames walks (and will forever be in Richmond's debt), and the Chief too. You could see the disappointment written on Gwen's face as she watches Darren become just another politician, willing to do whatever it takes, just like her father.
Linden can't accept that concept of "imperfect justice", but the more practical and less fanatical Holder just goes back to work - "There's another body and we're up". But Linden can't just retire; what would she do? She'll be drawn back into the fray next season, if there is one. I, for one, hope there is. This was pretty darn good TV, IMO.

Agree, what was news to Terry was that Rosie was still alive in the trunk. She obviously found out that Rosie was in there, impossible not to know given how close she was to the whole situation.

As for Ames being free, it could be a thing of timing. That Terry was not done being interrogated. But that was my question on Richmond. Did he do a complete about-face, or was he just tricking himself and others before with his integrity act.
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post #714 of 905
6/21/12 at 8:22am
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There is absolutely no way that Terry did not know that Rosie was in the trunk of the car before seeing the photos. Seeing the photos was just a gruesome visual of how awful it was.
Think about it - Terry was with Stan and the family every day, of course she knew. If somehow, she was living in a bunker and didn't watch any news or read any newspapers, Stan would've mentioned having to ID Rosie coming out of the trunk of a car in a lake, etc.

No - I did think about it after that post...of course Terry knew. Seeing the pic just brought back to the surface the guilt she had at that point been able to probably quash a bit via the distraction of "helping out Stan & the boys". It is also likely that Terry still held onto a sliver of doubt about what she did....that sliver was removed the second she saw the crime scene picture in Stan's drawer.

As I may have posted here before, the missus & I both found the reveal pretty brilliant - and not the nice happy TV ending one usually expects. Terry was made out to be a saint & was rather likable - that "saint" was of course driven by massive guilt. And the real "bad guys", save for Jamie, essentially walked....aided by the seemingly idealistic new mayor..who of course was really just another politician in the end.
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post #715 of 905
6/21/12 at 8:22am
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As to why people love to bash things in talkback forums?
Let me hand it over to Kevin Smith:
"The Internet is a communications device that brings people the world over together to bitch about movies and share pornography with one another......sad, pathetic little bastards living in their parents' basement downloading scripts and what they think is inside information about movies and actors they claim to despise yet can't stop discussing. "
Of course, you can swap "movies" for "tv shows"...or video games, music, etc...
Great stuff! You have to hand it to old Silent Bob.smile.gif More seriously, comments like Smith's are useful warnings that we denizens of the Internet need to constantly guard against taking ourselves too seriously.

On a personal note, I post in these forums for entertainment and education and go out of my way to avoid giving offense. If I did so by posting a link to and quoting from Andy Greenwald's highly entertaining (to me at least) piece about The Killing, it was unintentional and I apologize. There are a lot of critics whose opinions sometimes drive me crazy, Stephanie Zacharek comes to mind, but whose reviews I read anyway just because they are so entertaining. I thought some of you might react that way to Greenwald's piece but I guess I was wrong.
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post #716 of 905
6/21/12 at 9:44am
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Great stuff! You have to hand it to old Silent Bob.smile.gif More seriously, comments like Smith's are useful warnings that we denizens of the Internet need to constantly guard against taking ourselves too seriously.
On a personal note, I post in these forums for entertainment and education and go out of my way to avoid giving offense. If I did so by posting a link to and quoting from Andy Greenwald's highly entertaining (to me at least) piece about The Killing, it was unintentional and I apologize. There are a lot of critics whose opinions sometimes drive me crazy, Stephanie Zacharek comes to mind, but whose reviews I read anyway just because they are so entertaining. I thought some of you might react that way to Greenwald's piece but I guess I was wrong.

I think the issue was more that you were cherry-picking. You picked a negative critical review that lined up with how you stated over and over that you felt. Was there any way that you would've picked one of the glowing reviews? Of course not.

I generally like Grantland from what I read of it, but I do not agree with any individual's critic's opinion all of the time.

Anyway, The Killing is not perfect but the journey was great and a level above the mindless drivel found on most network and cable TV. It was closer to the enjoyable slow-burn drama that HBO executes so well. Overall, critics and fans enjoyed it very much. IMDB (fans) gave it a 7.9, whereas metacritic (critics) gave it a lofty 84.
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post #717 of 905
6/21/12 at 11:31am
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Originally Posted by Whitearrow View Post

Well... I'm not actually sure it is a capital murder case. It's a first degree murder case, for sure, and I'm not sure what the special circumstances/aggravated murder statute in WA says, but I don't see an obvious one here.
It's an unusual case, because you have two people principally involved, but who did not conspire with each other or act together. If I was the DA charging this (and Jamie had lived), it probably would have been charged something like this:
Jamie -- kidnapping, aggravated assault and (maybe) attempted murder
Terri -- first degree murder (premeditation and deliberation making it 1st rather than 2nd degree)
Ames - accessory and (maybe) obstruction of justice.


I'm not sure what Terry would have been charged with. At the time all she was doing was helping dispose of a body, right? I was under the impression everyone on that beach was debating what to do with the dead body in the trunk. I think that makes Terry guilty of manslaughter. If Jamie was alive I assume there would also be an accessory to murder charge, but of all those I don't know which would bring the most time.

My take on Richmond is that Jamie's last speech got to him, convinced him to follow through on the plan to line his coffers for the next run, that perhaps it is necessary to commit "minor" injustices in the name of great, positive change.

All in all, I found it to be a brilliant end to a brilliant show. Also, further proof that the best way to make a whodunit nearly impossible to crack is to have multiple killers.
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post #718 of 905
6/21/12 at 1:16pm
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On a personal note, I post in these forums for entertainment and education and go out of my way to avoid giving offense. If I did so by posting a link to and quoting from Andy Greenwald's highly entertaining (to me at least) piece about The Killing, it was unintentional and I apologize. I thought some of you might react that way to Greenwald's piece but I guess I was wrong.

Did you REALLY believe we would consider Mr. Greenwald's commentary as "highly entertaining?" Did you not know that we would instantly perceive his bias towards The Killing by his wholesale condemnation of the show and its writer? I personally find it hard to accept your apology when you still come across to me as disingenuous.

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I think the issue was more that you were cherry-picking. You picked a negative critical review that lined up with how you stated over and over that you felt. Was there any way that you would've picked one of the glowing reviews? Of course not.

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post #719 of 905
6/21/12 at 1:49pm
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I also wanted to add that Joel Kinnaman, IMO, knocked it out of the park. Absolutely nailed the whole meth-head vibe & physicality, but made this particular addict (or at least recovering addict) likable. Curious to see Kinnaman's big screen transformation into Robocop soon. His presence has made me a tad more interested in this particular Hollywood reboot.

Yeah, what a great performance by Kinnaman. It was funny to read Mireille Enos describing him as this super good-looking guy when he wasn't playing Holder. tongue.gif Didn't know he was following in Peter Weller's big footsteps for the "Robocop" reboot. All of a sudden I'm interested.
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post #720 of 905
6/21/12 at 2:29pm
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I also wanted to add that Joel Kinnaman, IMO, knocked it out of the park. Absolutely nailed the whole meth-head vibe & physicality, but made this particular addict (or at least recovering addict) likable. Curious to see Kinnaman's big screen transformation into Robocop soon. His presence has made me a tad more interested in this particular Hollywood reboot.

Yup .. I'd like to see a guest appearance on "Breaking Bad" ..

OK, now that I've gotten a "Breaking Bad" plug in, I'll shut up ..
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