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Originally Posted by Church AV Guy View Post

Is there a chance that AMC or at least, on of the AMC channels will show the entire series? I fear that the chances of this are pretty slim now that it has been cancelled, or am I wrong about that?

So, even though you have been disrespected, lied to and made livid, as well as wishing unemployment to the producers or AMC .. you actually want to watch the second season now .. ?? wink.gif
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Well now that The Killing is cancelled, AMC has an open slot... Bring back Rubicon with the great Truxton Spangler...
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I posted the numbers earlier in this thread somewhere, but it was two 13 episode series with each episode about 40-42 mins in length. Each series was aired 1 year apart.

I see - so approximately the same length for the Danish original 20 part series and the US series 1 and series 2? It's worth noting that the second Danish series was half the length - just 10 episodes. Different story - but still cracking.
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Regarding why we don't see more sub-titled imports here, I think it's likely that the average American viewer is just too lazy to deal with them. I would love to see those series aired here, I would pay for the channel as if it were a premium channel like HBO. I have seen some of the Italian shows like Inspector Montalbano listed in guides for small PBS stations on rare occasions, but nothing on a regular basis. I think our best bet is for companies like Music Box Films to put out DVD releases of the shows. Other than that, there's the usual places of questionable legality, usenet and torrents. There's also the UK disc releases which almost always will require a region-free player. I've used all of the above methods to be able to view the foreign shows I've wanted to see.

I've watched a bit of Inspector Montalbano - BBC Four (who aired the original Danish The Killing/Forbrydelsen and Borgen, the Swedish Wallander - both SVT and TV4 versions etc.) and it was OK. Has Spiral/Engrenages been broadcast in the US. It's a brilliantly gritty French policier. Also a BBC Four show here.

Subtitled shows are never going to get the ratings of native language shows - the audience is smaller. However if a channel like BBC Four in the UK can get around 1million viewers for a subtitled Danish show - you'd think a US audience of some size might watch. The quality of these series is amazing. They're real stories. It's always the story and the script that lead the drama - and it shows.

In fact some of them (Varg Veum, Beck, Wallander) get cinematic releases, then DVD releases and then are broadcast... They have incredibly high production values these days.
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I'm a fan of Beck. But I have a confession: I have so much video backlog that I appreciate Beck not only for the content but because I can Fast Forward via the TiVo's slowest FF speed, and still read the subtitles. It finishes the programs in half the time. Doubtless some of you would consider this a sin, but I have seen every episode broadcast so far on PBS.
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I'm a fan of Beck. But I have a confession: I have so much video backlog that I appreciate Beck not only for the content but because I can Fast Forward via the TiVo's slowest FF speed, and still read the subtitles. It finishes the programs in half the time. Doubtless some of you would consider this a sin, but I have seen every episode broadcast so far on PBS.

Interesting - are (some) PBS (stations) in the US showing Beck? It hasn't been broadcast in the UK yet - more's the pity. (Though I have every episode on DVD or Blu-ray - so have seen them all - including the SVT original productions)

(Un)fortunately I'm cursed with speaking bad Swedish - so try to listen to them rather than rely on the subtitles. In fact one advantage to watching on DVD is that I can watch with the Swedish subs on.
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I'll agree that it was somehow implied the show would reveal in the 1st season .. but for the life of me, I can't remember the details of WHY I thought that ..
I believe there was a poll as to who was the killer.
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Originally Posted by sneals2000 View Post

I see - so approximately the same length for the Danish original 20 part series and the US series 1 and series 2? It's worth noting that the second Danish series was half the length - just 10 episodes. Different story - but still cracking.
I've watched a bit of Inspector Montalbano - BBC Four (who aired the original Danish The Killing/Forbrydelsen and Borgen, the Swedish Wallander - both SVT and TV4 versions etc.) and it was OK. Has Spiral/Engrenages been broadcast in the US. It's a brilliantly gritty French policier. Also a BBC Four show here.
Not as far as I know, I purchased the UK disc releases for Engrenages and enjoyed it quite a bit, I think there's a 5th series due out later this year? Another French show I liked was Braquo, it reminded me a lot of The Shield.
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Originally Posted by Church AV Guy View Post

Is there a chance that AMC or at least, on of the AMC channels will show the entire series? I fear that the chances of this are pretty slim now that it has been cancelled, or am I wrong about that?

So, even though you have been disrespected, lied to and made livid, as well as wishing unemployment to the producers or AMC .. you actually want to watch the second season now .. ?? wink.gif
Well, as you so aptly put it, it's embarrassing. I have a good friend, to whom I owe many favors, some of which were done at some inconvenience to him. I am obviously reluctant to ignore a request of his. In an example of exraordinarily bad timing, he asked me at lunch yesterday if I had saved The Killing on DVD. I told hm that I had saved season one, but was so unhappy at the end of season one, I tossed the disks, and never watched season two, except for the final episode. He requested that if it is ever shown again, would I please record it for him. In reality, I think he is asking for this for his wife, not for himself, but but that is actually immaterial.

In retrospect, tossing the first season disks might not have been a bad idea since I am almost certain that AMC was in SD on DirecTV last year, but is in HD now. I seem to remember thinking that the final episode of the show just looked better than the ones I watched last year.

Does anyone know if it is on the schedule of any of the channels? It isn't listed on my two-week DVR schedule, and I can't find it on the web site. If it gone, never to be seen again, then I will have to suggest to my friend that if wantes it badly enough, he will have to purchase it, when it becomes available. Did they ever show Ribicon again after the initial airing?
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^^^^^^
I think Netflix signed some kind of exclusive deal with AMC, so they will probably end up with season #2 of 'The Killing' before too long. Season #1 is available now.
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Did they ever show Ribicon again after the initial airing?

Nope. 'Rubicon' disappeared quickly, no rebroadcasts, and no DVD/BD set announced either. frown.gif
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Did they ever show Ribicon again after the initial airing?

Nope. 'Rubicon' disappeared quickly, no rebroadcasts, and no DVD/BD set announced either. frown.gif

Too bad. I really enjoyed that series. Some thought it was way, WAY too slow, but I saw it as a Hitchcockian type of story, with a lot of suspense. I guess I'd better hold onto my DVDs then, even though they are SP.

I guess I'll have to suggest Netflix to my friend.

Thanks
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Article about Borgen, an excellent Danish TV show that will have a marathon airing on Link TV starting August 20th.
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Borgen: The Best TV Show You’ve Never Seen

(Author:Andrew Romano The Daily Beast - Jul 30, 2012 1:00 AM EDT)

Forget The Newsroom. The top political drama is Danish.

There is nothing the U.S. of A. is prouder of inventing than modern democracy, except for maybe television. Either way, television about modern democracy should be our forte. And so it pains me to report that the Danes, of all people, have recently overcome America’s home-field advantage. The Best Political Show Ever no longer hails from Hollywood, birthplace of The West Wing. It comes, instead, from Copenhagen, and it is called Borgen.

Think of Borgen as The Anti-Newsroom. Aaron Sorkin’s gourmet drama about a cable-news anchor on a “mission to civilize” the masses was supposed to inherit The West Wing’s mantle—until it turned out to be a preachy mess. The good news is that everything Sorkin gets wrong, Borgen gets right. (In the States, the Season 2 finale airs Aug. 5 on LinkTV; the show is already a hit in Europe, and a U.S. remake is in the works.) While The Newsroom is stuck in the past, bathing its grouchy male hero, Will McAvoy, in beatific lightbeams every time he grumbles about the good old days—you know, when “real newsmen” bestrode the earth—Borgen dramatizes the cutting-edge struggles of a woman who wouldn’t even exist in the world Sorkin wants to revive: Birgitte Nyborg, the first female prime minister of Denmark.

She is a riveting protagonist. McAvoy is only powerful because Sorkin says so; Nyborg must take power from a bunch of bulbous male politicians who refer to her as “Mommy” whenever she leaves the room. McAvoy is brilliant because everyone keeps calling him brilliant; Nyborg, in contrast, actually does a lot of brilliant things (thwarting an ambitious rival, outwitting a dangerous dictator). For McAvoy, every problem has an easy, righteous answer, but Nyborg has to learn the hard way: one day, she and her rangy husband, who has put his career on hold for her, are boffing and bantering like a Nordic Bogart and Bacall; the next day, his sense of self has eroded and their perfect post-feminist “deal”—he runs the household, she runs the country—begins to collapse. The difference between the two shows is the difference between reading an overwrought op-ed about the sorry state of politics and actually living out those complexities in real time. Guess which is more compelling.

Borgen isn’t the first show about a female politician; Commander in Chief, Parks and Recreation, Veep, and Political Animals all put women in positions of power. But by obsessing over the delicate, seesawing balance between what its characters do at the office and what they do at home, Borgen digs deeper. How should Nyborg respond when the company that has just hired her spouse, a sought-after CEO, also stands to profit from one of her policy decisions? Does she risk her marriage and force him to resign, even though he’s going stir-crazy at home? Or does she put her husband ahead of her government?

The supporting storylines are equally nuanced. What happens when the spin doctor in charge of Nyborg’s message and the star reporter covering her ascent are exes? Does the former deny the latter access? Does the reporter flirt to get the story? And how do their colleagues react? On Borgen, every public decision has private consequences, and vice versa, which is something that Hollywood usually ignores and that actual politicians, operatives, and journalists have to hide. Finally getting to see these secret repercussions spool out and spill over is spellbinding; they raise the stakes on everything that happens, suffusing even the most quotidian moments with suspense.

As a result, Borgen tends to keep its characters in a constant state of flux—a cinematic trick that’s especially rewarding because it’s so rarely attempted on TV. (Breaking Bad might be the only show as good at depicting how people evolve, or devolve, under pressure.) Spin doctor Kasper Juul (Pilou Asbæk) slowly sheds his cynical shell—he brags, in the beginning, about “believ[ing] in nothing”—as he’s forced to confront the childhood trauma that has walled him off from the world. Katrine Fønsmark (Birgitte Hjort Sørensen) starts the series as a crusading news anchor who prizes her purity above all else, but before long she is advising a conservative M.P. she can’t stand. In their scenes together, Fønsmark and Juul perform a sly dance that’s equal parts erotic tension and moral ambiguity.

Even more remarkable is Sidse Babett Knudsen as Prime Minister Nyborg. Green at first, she quickly ripens into a cool, commanding leader. But power wears on Nyborg, and by the end of Season 1 she has “lost her bearings,” as she puts it, abandoning her female protégée, sacking her best friend and mentor, and sacrificing her spouse, who has come to resent being treated like a mid-level staffer (their sex is scheduled, their conversation transactional, and their problems papered over in phony TV interviews). It’s a testament to Knudsen’s talent that even as Nyborg bends to the demands of her office—promising her kids a work-free vacation, then succumbing to the phone, the BlackBerry, the gravitational pull of the office—she remains an irresistibly sympathetic figure, with every spark of sorrow or regret just barely flickering across her features: visible to us, yet hidden from a world that would punish her for even the slightest show of weakness. It’s one of the finest television performances I’ve ever seen: an indelible portrait of a pioneering woman—driven but despairing, contained but compassionate, sexy but not too sexy—in the midst of discovering that she can’t have it all.

Ultimately, Borgen is a show about compromise: not just the compromises politicians make in pursuit of power, but the compromises we all make, every day, and how these compromises, whether public or private, can’t help but change us. Unlike Walter White, Juul, Fønsmark, and Nyborg don’t “break bad,” never to return; they swerve back and forth, searching for equilibrium. That’s the kind of politics most of us are familiar with.

In Season 2, Nyborg meets the psychiatrist who has been treating her daughter for anxiety. She blames herself for the disorder. The shrink tries to understand. “You can’t work 24 hours a day and be a good mom at the same time,” she says. “But you can’t stop working. What kind of role model would that make you?”

Nyborg stares back at her. “I don’t feel like a role model,” she finally replies. She wouldn’t, of course. That’s why she is

Source: The Daily Beast.
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Borgen is brilliant. I have series 1 on Blu-ray - and it aired on BBC Four in the UK. It gives a real insight into a different political system to those used in the US and UK (which are broadly based around two or three political parties with clear winners and losers in elections) The writing and acting is excellent. The scripts were all run past political journalists, politicians etc. to ensure that they had a ring of truth.

(There are lots of backstage sequences in TV production galleries / control rooms which are unusually realistic - partially because the 'actor' playing the director IS a director.)

I'm waiting to watch Series 2 when it airs on BBC Four - it only appears to have had a DVD release and not a Blu-ray unfortunately.
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I really enjoyed it as well and the government part of it is very interesting in how it works and how different it is from ours. I got a sense of how Danish governmental structure worked from watching Forbrydelsen(The Killing). It's intriguing in how quickly it seems a new government, along with calling for elections, can be accomplished. Also of interest is how the press and government interact with each other. I don't know the details of Danish government but it seems as if the government is much more beholden to the press than it is here, the press forces the government to be more open about it's operation. That particular aspect is something I really like.smile.gif
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I really enjoyed it as well and the government part of it is very interesting in how it works and how different it is from ours. I got a sense of how Danish governmental structure worked from watching Forbrydelsen(The Killing). It's intriguing in how quickly it seems a new government, along with calling for elections, can be accomplished.

Yep - though less of a surprise to a Brit, as we hold elections pretty quickly as well. The UK and Denmark both being monarchies, and having Prime Ministers who lead government (and their parties) rather than a Presidency makes a major difference. We don't have anything like the US process to select Democratic and Republican candidates - the leaders of the parties just represent their parties.
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Also of interest is how the press and government interact with each other. I don't know the details of Danish government but it seems as if the government is much more beholden to the press than it is here, the press forces the government to be more open about it's operation. That particular aspect is something I really like.smile.gif

Again - I think less of a surprise to a Brit - though coalition governments are a new thing to us (we currently have one for the first time in ages)
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^^^ Every high-profile serialized drama that gets prematurely canceled, seems like, goes through this flirtation. While I'd love to see another season of 'The Killing', I'd prefer another season of 'Rubicon'. Either one would be a welcome and unexpected gift from the TV gods, and I'm not about to look that horse in the mouth. Fingers crossed!
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Well folks .... The Killing has been killed by AMC. mad.gif
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Well folks .... The Killing has been killed by AMC. mad.gif

No chance of NF or anyone else picking it up .. ??
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Well folks .... The Killing has been killed by AMC. mad.gif

That announcement was made at the end of July, or are you referring to something else?
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I guess I was late to the party Church AV Guy!
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I guess I was late to the party Church AV Guy!

I thought you might have been referring to "new" news. There were rumors of them trying to get another venu for the show. *SPECULATION* If that had been true, and they were proceeding, and then it also fell through, then your comment would have been timely. That's what I was asking about when I said, are you referring to something else.

Anyway, yes, it does appear to be gone.
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I thought you might have been referring to "new" news. There were rumors of them trying to get another venu for the show. *SPECULATION* If that had been true, and they were proceeding, and then it also fell through, then your comment would have been timely. That's what I was asking about when I said, are you referring to something else.
Anyway, yes, it does appear to be gone.

:-(
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They should just buy the rights to the Danish original version and air it, subtitles and all.

There has already been 2 seasons and a 3rd is on the way(it may have already started, according to imdb it starts 9/23/12 this Sunday). It would be interesting to hear the comparisons between the two Sarahs.
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They should just buy the rights to the Danish original version and air it, subtitles and all.
There has already been 2 seasons and a 3rd is on the way(it may have already started, according to imdb it starts 9/23/12 this Sunday). It would be interesting to hear the comparisons between the two Sarahs.

I think you are giving the US viewing audinece too much credit here. I dont think any show fully subtitled will make it to a regular or even cable network.....People just wont watch in numbers that would make fiscal sense......
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I think you are giving the US viewing audinece too much credit here. I dont think any show fully subtitled will make it to a regular or even cable network.....People just wont watch in numbers that would make fiscal sense......
Even though I would probably be considered a TV addict, I wouldn't watch a series with subtitles... too restrictive of my time.
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I think you are giving the US viewing audinece too much credit here. I dont think any show fully subtitled will make it to a regular or even cable network.....People just wont watch in numbers that would make fiscal sense......
Even though I would probably be considered a TV addict, I wouldn't watch a series with subtitles... too restrictive of my time.

Huh? Do you mean watching a show with subs takes longer somehow, lol, or that there are others shows without subs that you'd prefer to watch first, even tho' they may not be as good as the subbed ones? confused.gif
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Huh? Do you mean watching a show with subs takes longer somehow, lol, or that there are others shows without subs that you'd prefer to watch first, even tho' they may not be as good as the subbed ones? confused.gif
No, I mean I have a wife who actually likes to communicate with me and I consider her more important if she says something than me having to keep my eyes glued to a show with subtitles to be sure I don't miss something. That's what I meant by restrictive.

With "regular" TV you can listen to what's going on rather than having to read what's going on as well. Silent movies fell out of favor with the advent of The Jazz Singer, although I have watched a few (very few) foreign classics with subtitles but can't say I truly enjoyed any of them just for that reason. Well, maybe that Swedish film I saw at an art theater in college wasn't too bad... wink.gif

On the other hand, my wife does watch movies with subtitles every so often. That's when I'm glad we have four TVs in the house.
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I think you are giving the US viewing audinece too much credit here. I dont think any show fully subtitled will make it to a regular or even cable network.....People just wont watch in numbers that would make fiscal sense......
Even though I would probably be considered a TV addict, I wouldn't watch a series with subtitles... too restrictive of my time.

Too many viewers want programming that won't interrupt their texting - like "Wipeout", for example.

[Excuse me...I must shower now.]
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Ok, I have to confess... I'm watching Into the West and the Sioux speech is in subtitles. However, just to set the record straight, I don't text or watch Wipeout.
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