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post #301 of 434
Anyone else notice this silly bug with the Viera Cast? Here goes...

1. Enter Viera Cast. Notice how it has its own picture memory for this "input"
2. Exit Viera Cast. You will notice that the TV will set the correct picture preset in the menu for that input (whichever one you switched off to)... except it will still be outputting the picture settings for the Viera Cast input. This is corrected by switching the picture preset to something else and then switching back, setting it to the correct settings for that preset.

Sorry if that sounded confusing. My brain is tired right now. Anyone else notice this problem?
post #302 of 434
Thread Starter 
Tonight we significantly reduced some more corner backlighting, this time on the top left, by flexing the corner of the bezel towards the direction the TV is facing. Bending the corner in the opposite direction temporarily worsened the problem.

Interestingly, taking a cotton undershirt and gently tapping and massaging the screen itself seemed to have a positive effect as well but extreme caution needs to be taken when doing this. This time around, loosening and tightening the screws DID NOT seem to have a strong enough effect. It did appear to have an effect when I was working on the bottom right corner.

Remember, if you decide to follow any of my suggestions, to DO SO AT YOUR OWN RISK, especially when it involves the sensitive screen! I am not to be held responsible for any damage to your TV!
post #303 of 434
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Originally Posted by CarmelRob View Post

Tonight we significantly reduced some more corner backlighting, this time on the top left

Why not show some pictures?
post #304 of 434
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Originally Posted by maxmal23 View Post

Congratulations on your purchase
I hope you enjoy it a lot!
could show a few pictures please!

Edit: thanks! jubrany

Keep in mind, that's a D30 he got, not the DT30.
post #305 of 434
So are the 42" Panasonic LCD/LED sets inferior to the rest of the product line? Why is that? I really like what I read about the D30 and its motion and lag performance, but the poor black levels are scarey, especially since they are worse than the Sharp Quattrons
post #306 of 434
can anyone list all their settings for 3d conversion mode?

I tried 3d conversion mode a 1080p planet earth type video with mostly mountain type scenery and the effect is barely noticeable on a majority of the scenes . Is there anything I can do to increase the feeling of depth?

Also, is the 2D->3D depth setting supposed to reset to medium every time I turn off the TV?
post #307 of 434
good black level!
post #308 of 434
Does anyone know if this set is capable of 10:10 pulldown (5:5 pulldown for the D30) without any frame interpolation? I set my Bluray to 24p, and turned off the Motion Picture Pro. It seemed like it was working, the judder was smooth instead of jerky like 3:2 creates, and I didn't notice any frames interpolated... Still the picture looked almost too smooth and I am confused.
post #309 of 434
I am NOW a proud owner of the DT30, based on your posts here as well as the gamer review on amazon! I appreciate all who have contributed to this specific post. Was really interested in the Samsungs but hearing all of the problems there, I decided to go with this one, without seeing this particular model in person. (No stores here in Northern Illinois had them...ABT, BB, Sears, etc). Amazon even gave me a sweet price match and got it for less than $900.
post #310 of 434
I've been playing with the tv and just tried 3D and it looks great! The only issue I find with the tv is the "flash-lighting issue". I don't know if it's worth sending it back to Amazon or if tweaking some settings would reduce the flashlight effect? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
post #311 of 434
Thread Starter 
Yeah, I've noticed that a lot of DT30 owners complain of uneven backlighting or corner flashlighting.

I've noticed that the bottom-right corner will actually get better as the TV warms up whereas the top-left corner gets worse. In my previous posts I've written how either flexing the corners with two hands on the bezel or putting one hand on the top corner and the other hand on the bottom corner and flexing in opposite directions can help. Gently squeezing the bezel around the problem area can help as well. Take extreme care when touching the screen itself.

It's been almost 30 days since I purchased it from Amazon and I'm probably going to keep it even though it isn't "perfect".

Things I don't have are dead pixels, excessive input lag, horizontal or vertical banding(somebody mentioned that, I don't know what it is) or one side of the screen being brighter than the other.

The uneven backlighting doesn't affect my gaming at all. It's just a little noticable on black screens and letterbars when watching movies. When it gets bad, I just flex it a bit and it gets a whole lot better.
post #312 of 434
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Originally Posted by CarmelRob View Post


Things I don't have are dead pixels, excessive input lag, horizontal or vertical banding(somebody mentioned that, I don't know what it is) or one side of the screen being brighter than the other.

Yes, I also don't have any of the above mentioned. I used the settings "x3nia" provided on pg 6 (THANK YOU!) and will test it this evening. Right now, with some daylight, I do not notice the 'flashlights' as much.

My only issue is regarding the DLNA ability, or lack thereof. I have a WDTV Live Hub and the TV will see the files/folders, but states "Unable to Play". They are .avi movie files. Yet on my PS3, Xbox360, and iPhone, I can play those files without any problems. Anyone have any ideas/suggestions?!?
post #313 of 434
Thread Starter 
Personally, I don't like "Game mode" since it doesn't look as sharp and crisp as say "Vivid mode". It has a slight fuzzy blurry look.

For Gaming, I use "Vivid mode" and make the following changes:
Color Temp - Normal
Motion Picture Pro 5 - Off

I tested the input lag between "Standard"(Motion Picture Pro 5 turned on) and "Game mode" a couple of weeks ago and found an average of only 7ms difference in favor of "Game mode". However, since I turn Motion Picture Pro 5 off on "Vivid" mode there should be even less of a difference.
post #314 of 434
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Originally Posted by CarmelRob View Post

Personally, I don't like "Game mode" since it doesn't look as sharp and crisp as say "Vivid mode". It has a slight fuzzy blurry look.

For Gaming, I use "Vivid mode" and make the following changes:
Color Temp - Normal
Motion Picture Pro 5 - Off

I tested the input lag between "Standard"(Motion Picture Pro 5 turned on) and "Game mode" a couple of weeks ago and found an average of only 7ms difference in favor of "Game mode". However, since I turn Motion Picture Pro 5 off on "Vivid" mode there should be even less of a difference.


Can't you just adjust game mode to your vivid settings?
post #315 of 434
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Dark_Planet View Post

Can't you just adjust game mode to your vivid settings?

I tried adjusting the Game mode to Vivid settings and then compared it to Vivid mode and it still lacked the sharpness that Vivid has. It's probably a setting in "Pro Settings" that makes Vivid look the way it does. As you know, Game mode prevents you from making changes in the "Pro Settings".

I've also noticed that Game mode sometimes appears a little choppy at times compared to Vivid mode with Motion Picture Pro 5 turned off.

The reason I prefer the sharper look of Vivid is that it helps me spot people in games that have large maps like Battlefield:Bad Company 2. The only downside to Vivid is that it really heats up the TV over time.
post #316 of 434
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Originally Posted by CarmelRob View Post

I tried adjusting the Game mode to Vivid settings and then compared it to Vivid mode and it still lacked the sharpness that Vivid has. It's probably a setting in "Pro Settings" that makes Vivid look the way it does. As you know, Game mode prevents you from making changes in the "Pro Settings".

I've also noticed that Game mode sometimes appears a little choppy at times compared to Vivid mode with Motion Picture Pro 5 turned off.

The reason I prefer the sharper look of Vivid is that it helps me spot people in games that have large maps like Battlefield:Bad Company 2. The only downside to Vivid is that it really heats up the TV over time.

Try custom mode and use some kind of calibration disc.
post #317 of 434
I have had a TC-L37DT30 for about one week now and could use a little help/input. I just joined AVForums today so that I could post, but have been reading this thread as it evolved since before my purchase. I am running the DT30 from the HDMI port on my graphics card of my PC to HDMI 2 on the Panasonic unit. One concern is regarding the refresh rate of the DT30. It is advertised as being 240 HZ. When I first set it up, I checked in the nVidia control panel to check resolution, etc. I am using a GTX 580 SLI configuration. I expected to see a selection for at least 120 HZ as an option, but only saw up to 60 HZ. I tried a custom resolution, selecting 1920x1080 @ 120HZ. The result was 'test failed'. I then downloaded an EDID reader from Entech, and under supported timings it only shows 60HZ. An nVidia tech told me this is a problem, and that if the set is not faulty, that I should see at least 120HZ as a possible option in the nVidia CP, and also as a supported timing in the EDID. However, an EVGA tech told me the reverse--the fact that I could not set the refresh rate above 60HZ for any display, or HDTV was normal. Could anyone give me some clarification on all of that please. My HDMI cable was not labelled as 1.4, but does say 3D and Ethernet ready--from google I learned that ethernet over HDMI requires a 1.4 cable so I am assuming that the cable is 1.4. If it is not, could this cause any issues re available refresh rates?
The other area I need a bit of advice on is how to properly enable 3D in the DT30 menu. The next thing I want to do is to test the set in 3D mode. I have about 1/3 the vision in my right eye as in my left eye. I do not know if I will be able to actually see the 3D effect. If I set things up and then cannot see anything 3D wise, I will not know if my vision, or my settings are at fault. I have 'Auto detect 3D' set to 'Auto 2'. I have 3D notification 'ON'. I have not received any notification of a 3D device being detected--in my case the GTX 580. In order for 3D to work with an nVidia GPU I believe I have to install nVidia '3D Play' software. Should I see a notification of a 3D device once I install that? (I have already downloaded it but not installed it yet.) Anyways, there are a lot of settings re the 3D--if anyone could give me a quick guide on proper setup I would be very grateful. The only 'native' 3D software I have is 'Crysis 2'. On the link below there is a long list of games that nVidia gives a rating to for 3D performance--most of them are not natively 3D I don't think unless they have perhaps been patched for that purpose or something.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-3d-games.html
If they are not patched to run 3D, would you then run them in 2D-3D mode? I will contact nVidia for a bit of clarification. Anyways, if anyone could provide a brief guide on proper settings for 3D use on the DT30 I would be grateful--thanks in advance for any replies.
post #318 of 434
So what happened?? Did this thread just die or what? Anyways, I have sort of figured out how to configure the 3D settings, and unfortunately it appears that I am unable to see 3D images. However, as I bought this set on the basis of its' gaming performance (no input lag), and the picture quality I have no regrets. In both of those regards it has very good performance. I detect no lag issues thus far during online play, and the 2D picture is quite outstanding--like day and night compared to my 28" HannsG PC monitor.
I am leaving this post in order to make mention of a setting I found which is relevant to the backlight bleed that many have complained about. My set also showed some moderate bleed in the bottom right, and also in other areas when on a totally black screen as in desktop with solid black background, or screen saver with a black background. The setting I will refer to was not mentioned in this thread to my knowledge. So here it is--go to 'Menu-Picture'-and then scroll to screen 3/3 and select 'HDMI Settings-Content Type'. From there select the input you are using, and then select 'off'. On my DT30 this makes a HUGE difference and pretty much eliminates ALL backlight bleed.
I tested this in gaming online last night and felt that it created some lagginess in the set--somewhat choppy performance. I tried the same this morning, and everything seemed to work as normal--no lag with smooth performance in game. Perhaps the lag was caused by the set getting a bit overheated as it had been on all day long. Two Panasonic reps I spoke with did not know if it would cause any performance issues to set HDMI content type to 'off'. An upper level tech is supposed to call me back about that next week with an answer. What I can say is that this setting helped a lot with backlight issues--basically they were eliminated.
As I cannot use the 3D feature I am going to sell the glasses. The 2010 version sell for $180. on the Panasonic site, so I should be able to get a bit over $100. easily on Ebay. Well, that is disappointing to not be able to see 3D, but at least the original cost will be offset by selling the glasses. Out for now.
post #319 of 434
The only screens that offer a 120hz input are computer monitors that specifically say 120hz. LCD TV panels are interpolated 120hz/240hz, and will not accept a 120hz input.

The tech was right.
post #320 of 434
Hi, I was wondering, is the DT30 prone to ghosting and blurring?
I know it has a very low input lag, but that would be useless in my opinion with ghosting/blurring and in general poor pixel response time.
Thanks
post #321 of 434
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by AurelioMaghe View Post
Hi, I was wondering, is the DT30 prone to ghosting and blurring?
I know it has a very low input lag, but that would be useless in my opinion with ghosting/blurring and in general poor pixel response time.
Thanks
Hi,

I've owned the DT30 for about a month now and haven't noticed any ghosting or blurring. I think one of the selling points of this TV is it's 2ms response time so that it's more like a TN panel monitor in this regard.

To answer DigitalDaze's question about refresh rate, I believe the 240 hz is just the Motion Picture Pro 5(frame interpolation) turned up to either "weak" or "strong". I generally just turn this off so it looks just like a regular 60 hz TV.
post #322 of 434
Anyone have optimized settings for the DT30? I calibrated using the Disney WOW Blu-ray and ended up with:

Picture mode: Game
Backlight: 50
Contrast: 100
Brightness: 61
Color: 42
Tint: +5
Sharpness: 30
Color Temp: Normal
Color Mgmt: On
A.I. Picture: On
C.A.T.S.: Off
Video NR: Off

ASPECT ADJUSTMENTS

Screen Format: Full
HD Size: Size 2

HDMI SETTINGS

All Default

ADVANCED PICTURE

Block NR: Off
Mosquito NR: Off
Black Level: Light

Other people have posted Color as 25 and have brightness at 35, which seems too dark and lacking color. I followed the disc exactly and adjusted everything down to perfection in terms of making sure I can see the visible shapes on both black and white charts, etc. Also used the blue lens to get hue/tint and color right. I went over the disc a few times and always end up with the same results.

Anyone else use Disney WOW or have different settings? Also how do you calibrate 3D? Is there a 3D disc? Thank you.
post #323 of 434
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Originally Posted by Helvetian View Post

Anyone have optimized settings for the DT30? I calibrated using the Disney WOW Blu-ray and ended up with:

Picture mode: Game
Backlight: 50
Contrast: 100
Brightness: 50
Color: 42
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0
Color Temp: Warm
Color Mgmt: Off

A.I. Picture: On
C.A.T.S.: Off
Video NR: Off

ASPECT ADJUSTMENTS

Screen Format: Full
HD Size: Size 2

HDMI SETTINGS

All Default

ADVANCED PICTURE

Block NR: Off
Mosquito NR: Off
Black Level: Light

I fixed your settings......The ones that are in blue.
post #324 of 434
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Originally Posted by Dark_Planet View Post

I still don't trust 3D for health concerns.

It can mess up your depth perception and it can last up to 3 hours after watching 3D movies.

Also....The panasonic 3D glasses lenses are too small.

And it hurts to wear.

Screw 3D.

2D for life !!!!

More pics coming soon.

not worth paying more for the DT30
D30 being the most economical
if you do not frequently use the 3D
I have this dilemma ... which of the two models to buy?

DT30 is better?

or D30
post #325 of 434
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Originally Posted by Dark_Planet View Post

I fixed your settings......The ones that are in blue.

I tried your recommendations however based on WOW disc, it is way too dark. Some of the stars that need to be visible are invisible, 61 is the absolute balance between maintaining the appropriate visible and invisible stars on both the white and black patterns. Are you also using WOW?

Brightness: 25-50
Color: 42
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 25
Color Temp: Warm
Color Mgmt: Off

I wanted tint at 0 however on WOW it shows that my hue/tint is out of balance, +3 works for warm and +5 for normal. Why sharpness down to 25? Why temp set to warm? And why color mgmt off? The only difference I see in warm is that whites appear warmer versus more like white paper or snow. Also what does backlight do? I turned it down to 40 and noticed no difference, it didn't even change the brightness/contrast results for the disc.

Thanks
post #326 of 434
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Originally Posted by maxmal23 View Post

not worth paying more for the DT30
D30 being the most economical
if you do not frequently use the 3D
I have this dilemma ... which of the two models to buy?

DT30 is better?

or D30

Neither is the most "economical". I picked the DT30 because it was the best.
post #327 of 434
Just ordered a brand new 42 inch D30 for $750 (free shipping) for my Sim Racer/gaming setup. I was looking for a low input lag 37-42 TV and this fits the bill perfectly.

I am excited! Cant wait for Thursday!
post #328 of 434
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Originally Posted by opxer View Post

Got the 37" and it seems like this thing doesn't save unique "picture mode" settings for EACH input. So, let's say I want all the vivid settings on input 1 to be 40, and then i go to input 2 and set everything to 50. Well when I go back to input 1 again all the settings will be at 50, not 40. Is this how it's supposed to be? My old sony bravia had this feature, so I'm a bit surprised.

DIdin't notice that aspect. Panasonic plasma G10 has that option. You can control picture mode for each input.
post #329 of 434
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Originally Posted by nanobeast View Post

Just ordered a brand new 42 inch D30 for $750 (free shipping) for my Sim Racer/gaming setup. I was looking for a low input lag 37-42 TV and this fits the bill perfectly.

I am excited! Cant wait for Thursday!


I also buy the d30 soon

you could publish photos of the tv and also running?

please!
post #330 of 434
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Originally Posted by Dark_Planet View Post

I fixed your settings......The ones that are in blue.

Dark you use 3D? really worth it?

Greetings!
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