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Originally Posted by Dick Fingers View Post

I'm an idiot, please disregard my last two posts. Just wasn't pushing them hard enough.
LOL
post #1442 of 2142
Update on my issue:

Four months ago, 03/25, I posted a problem I was having with some snapping/ crackling sounds. I'd like to post what I've noticed so far and get some advice.

The crackling seems to occur during action scenes typically. Not all though. Loud sounds like gun fire and explosions seem to cause it. Now, here's the interesting part: it doesn't happen with everything. What I mean is, I don't recall ever experiencing this in a video game or Netflix on the Xbox. It seems to occur with AT&T cable movies, but not all of the movies, at least I don't believe so.

My opinion is I must have the crossover thresholds set incorrectly or something. I used the YPAO and did so flawlessly. Also, IIRC it seems to be coming from the front sound stage.
post #1443 of 2142
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Originally Posted by cbhpi View Post


See page 92 of the OM.
My RX-V467 has the YPAO and a graphic equalizer. This is very nice. You can even equalize each speaker individually in case you want to set it different for the center or backs for example.
post #1444 of 2142
I need some advice, guys . . .

If you have an HTPC with dedicated graphics and audio cards, how do you get them on the same input on the Yamaha RX-V671? The Yamaha has only one HDMI port for each input, which takes care of the video . . . but how do you then connect the audio exported by a Toslink? Looking at the unit, this seems impossible since the only Toslink ports are on separate inputs with no HDMI port. Thanks for any help.
post #1445 of 2142
Most computers with HDMI video outputs include audio on that same output. Have you checked to see if yours does?
post #1446 of 2142
I'm actually planning an HTPC build in the next few weeks and I'm trying to figure out how it's going to work before I go buying hardware. I know if I just let the CPU process the audio and video, I can export both together from the HDMI-out on the motherboard, however, I'd like to use dedicated cards for each. Once the audio and video are split into the separate cards, I'm not sure how to get them back together - and there in lies my problem.
post #1447 of 2142
Unfortunately, what you want and what the entertainment industry wants are not the same. frown.gif

Can you explain why you want to use a separate audio card?

In general, when you're using digital audio from digital source files, having a separate audio card is not necessary. Audio cards are primarily used when one needs high quality analog audio outputs. (High quality analog outputs are actually at a disadvantage when using modern entertainment equipment.) Digital audio processing does not need a sound card. Also, as you've discovered, there is no way to merge HDMI (or other digital) audio from one source with HDMI video from another source in a receiver. Mixing non-HDMI audio and video sources to produce an HDMI output is relatively straight-forward, though.
post #1448 of 2142
Haha, tell me about it. The reason I'd like to run a separate audio card, is because I'd like to have ample tuning ability of the audio. (I'm a rather picky listener) On my desktop PC I have a dedicated audio card that I spent countless hours dialing in to sound just the way I wanted. To my knowledge, neither the Realtek onboard motherboard sound, nor the Yamaha RX-V671 have the customization abilities afforded to me by dedicated cards and their related software. Does the RX-V671 have a customizable EQ like the RX-V467? I've spent quite some time dialing in my setup, but never bumped into it.

From my research thus far, it seems that I'll have to run both the audio and video through the GPU, and then use the dedicated audio card just for music. frown.gif
post #1449 of 2142
The 671 has a parametric equalizer which is significantly more sophisticated than the graphic equalizer in the 467. It's briefly described on page 92 of the owner's manual, which you should download if you haven't already.
post #1450 of 2142
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Originally Posted by SIGcollector View Post

I need some advice, guys . . . If you have an HTPC with dedicated graphics and audio cards, how do you get them on the same input on the Yamaha RX-V671? The Yamaha has only one HDMI port for each input, which takes care of the video . . . but how do you then connect the audio exported by a Toslink? Looking at the unit, this seems impossible since the only Toslink ports are on separate inputs with no HDMI port. Thanks for any help.

There are at least some video cards which have an SPDIF_IN connector that you can use to "inject" audio from your 'sound card' into the HDMI video stream, at least theoretically! I have a Galaxy Nvidia Geforce 9500GT card on my desk 'now' with just such a connector, although neither of my HTPCs (feeding a pair of Yamaha RX-V667 AVRs) is configured that way. (Functionally, I just treat each HTPC as if it were a BD|DVD|CD player: I have the playback program process the source audio content into 2.0|5.1|7.1 LPCM and route that over HDMI (with video) to the AVR for DSP processing there.)

Sorry I can't offer more help.
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Edited by SoundChex - 8/16/12 at 2:11pm
post #1451 of 2142
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Originally Posted by smilepak View Post


Amazon has it for $369.00 free shipping

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Originally Posted by MidnightGray View Post


Tacoboy made a good point. Electronics Expo has got some insane pricing on almost everything they sell if you use their coupon code. I just bought the RX-V671 from them delivered in two days for under $390. They're selling this receiver for $389.79 this month with the coupon code. I couldn't find any other authorized dealer selling it (NIB) for anything close to that price. That price may be what forces somebody to pull the trigger on this receiver.
Good luck if you have to return it. EE charged me $40 to return a pair of speakers and then tried to charge me a restocking fee. I paid $40 for shipping so it cost me $80 to find out I had bought a pair of crappy sounding speakers.
post #1452 of 2142
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

The 671 has a parametric equalizer which is significantly more sophisticated than the graphic equalizer in the 467. It's briefly described on page 92 of the owner's manual, which you should download if you haven't already.

I read the manual cover to cover when I first bought it, but I guess I should revisit page 92. Hopefully I can find that CD. If not, is it hard to locate the web-page you can download a digital copy from?

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Originally Posted by SoundChex View Post

There are at least some video cards which have an SPDIF_IN connector that you can use to "inject" audio from your 'sound card' into the HDMI video stream, at least theoretically! I have a Galaxy Nvidia Geforce 9500GT card on my desk 'now' with just such a connector, although neither of my HTPCs (feeding a pair of Yamaha RX-V667 AVRs) is configured that way. (Functionally, I just treat each HTPC as if it were a BD|DVD|CD player: I have the playback program process the source audio content into 2.0|5.1|7.1 LPCM and route that over HDMI (with video) to the AVR for DSP processing there.)
Sorry I can't offer more help.
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Thanks for the info, this sounds exactly like what I'm trying to accomplish. I suppose the question now is if nVIDIA makes a GPU that can handle 3D Blu-ray processing and offers an external SPDIF input. Looks like I'm making a call to nVIDIA . . .
post #1453 of 2142
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Originally Posted by SIGcollector View Post

I read the manual cover to cover when I first bought it, but I guess I should revisit page 92. Hopefully I can find that CD. If not, is it hard to locate the web-page you can download a digital copy from?

The yamaha websites have all the manuals under Support / Downloads. In some cases (such as the US site) you have to register to download, but in others (such as the Canadian site yahama.ca) you don't. The manuals are all virtually the same same (sometimes a few features are different in different regions).
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post #1455 of 2142
Hello, everyone. I'm a little late to the party here, but I learned a lot more by reading this thread than I did from the owners "manual" lol. Anyway, I've had my 671 since June 30. (just checked my receipt) tongue.gif After my beloved JVC pro logic receiver I bought new 18 years ago started dying, I figured it was time to start looking. I did a little research online, wasn't really ready to buy anything yet, went to Best Buy just to look around. When I was looking online I had liked the 673 but didn't really want to pay that much, figured I'd end up getting one of the step down models, or maybe a Sony. Well, when I was looking at BB, I noticed a 671 down on the bottom shelf in an open box. Ended up walking out with it for $299. Figured I couldn't pass that up. I've been pretty happy with it, was a little disappointed at first, it just didn't have the same punch as my old JVC, especially at low volumes. I guess there's no substitute for Watts. I had never needed a sub before, but that seemed like the likely solution. Found a Hsu stf-1 on CL for $140 from an older gentleman who had only owned it a few months. Thanks to him for breaking it in for me lol! I love my little "baby shoe" (Hsu). Probably would have gotten the next one up if I was buying new, but it definitely made me happy with the 671. Only a few quirks to complain about. Wish it had the old a-b speakers. I wish you didn't HAVE to eq each speaker separately. YPAO could be better. Other than speaker distances, I think I've at least tweaked everything else. Way too many useless DSP modes, but I guess I shouldn't really complain about having too many options lol.Really, though, this thing sounds great now. I'd probably trade less features for more power, but I'm happy overall, especially for $300. Thanks to everyone who's helped out in this thread, I've learned a lot.

One question. does anybody have any advice about the manual eq? I've used the bands like a regular eq, but some of the bands are in really odd places. I guess the frequency lets you just adjust anywhere? Or am I wrong? And I really don't know what the Q does. I assume its something about bandwidth, but don't know what effect it actually has. Thanks again!
post #1456 of 2142
What settings are you guys using to watch Blurays, Directv, etc?

As if you couldn't tell by my previous posts, I'm new to this.

Does "Straight" mean that the reciever is automatically detecting the source material, whether it be Dolby, DTS, or anything else?

What exactly does the surround decoder do?

Anyone turn the enhancement on? If so, do you only turn it on for certain material, or do you leave it on?


As someone who is just learning all of this stuff, I genuinely appreciate the help.
post #1457 of 2142
I have this receiver hooked up to a Smart TV with apps and I am using the AV4 port to get 5.1 audio for the built in apps and OTA broadcasts. I am unable to see the On Screen Menu for the receiver with it hooked up this way. Is there a way to hook this receiver to a tv with internal apps and be able to see the On Screen Menu while watching Netflix, Pandora etc.?
post #1458 of 2142
Hey, just got this unit. All I have connected right now is my PC through HDMI. Every time I turn off my receiver, I have to cycle through the HDMI inputs and select the one for PC. Anyway to have it auto saved? Its quite annoying everyime to cycle through the inputs.
post #1459 of 2142
^^
Are you using the ARC feature on the TV (ie. passing smart app audio back to the TV)? If yes, turn that feature OFF.
post #1460 of 2142
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

I have this receiver hooked up to a Smart TV with apps and I am using the AV4 port to get 5.1 audio for the built in apps and OTA broadcasts. I am unable to see the On Screen Menu for the receiver with it hooked up this way. Is there a way to hook this receiver to a tv with internal apps and be able to see the On Screen Menu while watching Netflix, Pandora etc.?

As you only have an audio source connected (ie. optical cable) and there's no video source to pass the OSM, no.
post #1461 of 2142
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^^
Are you using the ARC feature on the TV (ie. passing smart app audio back to the TV)? If yes, turn that feature OFF.

hmm, not sure. It's a feature on my TV not the receiver?
post #1462 of 2142
Correct. On Panasonic TVs it's called "VieraLink".
post #1463 of 2142
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Correct. On Panasonic TVs it's called "VieraLink".

I have samsung.
post #1464 of 2142
Ah .. then Anynet+.
post #1465 of 2142
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

As you only have an audio source connected (ie. optical cable) and there's no video source to pass the OSM, no.
I didnt think so. Just had to ask in case I was missing something. Thanks.
post #1466 of 2142
Yes, you are correct, straight just plays the format on the disc. The surround decoder turns 2 channel signals into surround. I usually use straight for movies with a good soundtrack. I sometimes use standard for older DVD movies or TV, and sometimes action game or straight for games. The enhancer is supposed to be for compressed music like mp3s, but doesn't seem to hurt or help much to leave it on. I like stereo or 7 channel stereo for music.
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^
Oops, forgot to quote. That was a response to post #1456. Sorry, just getting used to posting here.
post #1468 of 2142
Hi there,

I have a similar issue to the above...

I have a HTPC, v671 and Samsung LCD

I'm using a Pulse Eight CEC module to turn on the v671 and TV from the HTPC.

The issue I have is that I need the v671 to use HDMI1 (port the HTPC is connected to), but in the options for HDMI control you have to specify anl audio port (AV1-AV6, audio1 or Audio2) - not HDMI.

Each time I turn on the v671 it starts with HDMI1, but switches to the AV port.

How do I get it to use HDMI1 with HDMI control? Someone mentioned turning off ARC?

Thanks,

J.
post #1469 of 2142
I am a brand new RX-V671 owner and I am having a problem with HDCP errors in my Home Theater system. I apologize that I have not read all 49 pages of this thread, but I did try to use the Search box extensively and could not find any better place to start, so here is my problem.

I am building my first Home Theater system. I built my HTPC from scratch, with an internal Blu-Ray player. In the lab, connected directly to my JVC LCD TV via HDMI, I can play Blu-Ray movies just fine. So I moved the HTPC into the Home Theater and hooked everything up as follows:
HTPC >> HDMI >> AVR >> HDMI >> TV

The details are as follows:
  • HTPC: Win 7 Pro, ASRock motherboard, Intel i5 processor, integrated graphics, XBMC, Lite-On BluRay Burner, Cyberlink BD software
  • AVR: Yamaha RX-V671
  • TV: Samsung 55" LED/LCD UN55ES6100

In this configuration, the Blu Ray refuses to play, indicating an HDCP error. I downloaded and ran the Cyberlink BD Adviser software. It indicated that everything in the HTPC "passed" with the exception of the HDMI interface, which is not HDCP compliant. This is where the problem started.

The additional trouble shooting I have done was as follows:
  • Took the HTPC back to the lab and hooked it back up directly to the JVC TV via HDMI. Blu Ray movies play just fine. Cyberlink BD Adviser indicates everything is fine, all tests passed. Conclusion: HDCP is working on the HTPC HDMI interface.
  • Took the HTPC back to the Home Theater and hooked it up directly to the Samsung TV without the RX-V671 in the mix. Blu Ray movies play just fine. Cyberlink BD Adviser indicates everything is fine, all tests passed. Conclusion: HDCP is working on the Samsung TV HDMI interface (in addition to the HTPC interface).
  • Hooked up a Samsung Blu Ray disk player to the RX-V671 in place of the HTPC in the original configuration. Blu Ray movies play just fine. Conclusion: HDCP is working on the RX-V671.

So, HDCP seems to be operational on each of my Home Theater components (HTPC, AVR and TV), but is NOT working between the HTPC and the RX-V671 combination specifically. If I have missed any other possible conclusions in my troubleshooting logic, please let me know what else I can check.

This leaves me thinking that there is something in the HDCP protocol handshaking between the HTPC and the AVR that is failing, even though each of these devices can establish the connection with other devices. The AVR is running the current firmware v1.18. This leaves me with the HTPC. What controls the HDCP protocol on the HDMI interface on the HTPC? Is it the Cyberlink BD playback software? Is it the system motherboard BIOS? Is it the Blu Ray player device itself? Is it the Windows OS? I am thinking that there might be some driver or firmware that needs to be updated (even though everything is brand new) or configured in order to recognize the HDCP handshake with the RX-V671, but I'm stumped as to how to proceed. Can anyone give me a clue as to what to check next?

I do apologize if this thread is the wrong place for this question. Any suggestions for other more appropriate forum topic areas would be greatly appreciated.
Edited by ClayGlenn - 8/27/12 at 10:17am
post #1470 of 2142
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Originally Posted by ClayGlenn View Post

I am a brand new RX-V671 owner and I am having a problem with HDCP errors in my Home Theater system. I apologize that I have not read all 49 pages of this thread, but I did try to use the Search box extensively and could not find any better place to start, so here is my problem.
I am building my first Home Theater system. I built my HTPC from scratch, with an internal Blu-Ray player. In the lab, connected directly to my JVC LCD TV via HDMI, I can play Blu-Ray movies just fine. So I moved the HTPC into the Home Theater and hooked everything up as follows:
HTPC >> HDMI >> AVR >> HDMI >> TV
The details are as follows:
  • HTPC: Win 7 Pro, ASRock motherboard, Intel i5 processor, integrated graphics, XBMC, Lite-On BluRay Burner, Cyberlink BD software
  • AVR: Yamaha RX-V671
  • TV: Samsung 55" LED/LCD UN55ES6100
In this configuration, the Blu Ray refuses to play, indicating an HDCP error. I downloaded and ran the Cyberlink BD Adviser software. It indicated that everything in the HTPC "passed" with the exception of the HDMI interface, which is not HDCP compliant. This is where the problem started.
The additional trouble shooting I have done was as follows:
  • Took the HTPC back to the lab and hooked it back up directly to the JVC TV via HDMI. Blu Ray movies play just fine. Cyberlink BD Adviser indicates everything is fine, all tests passed. Conclusion: HDCP is working on the HTPC HDMI interface.
  • Took the HTPC back to the Home Theater and hooked it up directly to the Samsung TV without the RX-V671 in the mix. Blu Ray movies play just fine. Cyberlink BD Adviser indicates everything is fine, all tests passed. Conclusion: HDCP is working on the Samsung TV HDMI interface (in addition to the HTPC interface).
  • Hooked up a Samsung Blu Ray disk player to the RX-V671 in place of the HTPC in the original configuration. Blu Ray movies play just fine. Conclusion: HDCP is working on the RX-V671.
So, HDCP seems to be operational on each of my Home Theater components (HTPC, AVR and TV), but is NOT working between the HTPC and the RX-V671 combination specifically. If I have missed any other possible conclusions in my troubleshooting logic, please let me know what else I can check.
This leaves me thinking that there is something in the HDCP protocol handshaking between the HTPC and the AVR that is failing, even though each of these devices can establish the connection with other devices. The AVR is running the current firmware v1.18. This leaves me with the HTPC. What controls the HDCP protocol on the HDMI interface on the HTPC? Is it the Cyberlink BD playback software? Is it the system motherboard BIOS? Is it the Blu Ray player device itself? Is it the Windows OS? I am thinking that there might be some driver or firmware that needs to be updated (even though everything is brand new) or configured in order to recognize the HDCP handshake with the RX-V671, but I'm stumped as to how to proceed. Can anyone give me a clue as to what to check next?
I do apologize if this thread is the wrong place for this question. Any suggestions for other more appropriate forum topic areas would be greatly appreciated.
???? No clue. I honestly couldnt even suggest a better forum. Seems far too technical and way too many variables to try to troubleshoot through a forum unless someone was so inclined and had a lot of time to dedicate. Good luck.
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