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post #151 of 373
FWIW I have no idea what the real life input lag is on my set but it doesn't kill gaming for me. Maybe I don't know what I'm missing though lol!
post #152 of 373
I'm playing Goldeneye:Reloaded and not having any lag at all in game mode. I think I'd notice any when sniping moving targets.
post #153 of 373
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Originally Posted by Robborboy View Post

I am a bit confused. The Vizio E3D420VX is touted as a 5ms screen, and I bought it specifically for such and the 3D, however it is actually ~50ms. I even contacted Vizio support and they rebuffed that it WAS a 5ms screen and that before they could do anything I had to send them video proof of the delay. And the 50ms lag is pretty much unbearable for any gaming. And it has been especially prevalent in Skyrim.

Doesn't this fall a bit into the realm of false advertisement?

Just as posted earlier, go to settings and toggle game mode on and off. Sometimes it gets stuck.
post #154 of 373
Hey all, I've had the E3D420VX for a little while and only watched movies on it but not cable 3D content yet. I have an older Comcast DVR box that doesn't have HDMI connectivity, only component and I haven't gotten around to getting a new box. I was assuming I couldn't watch 3D content (like ESPN 3D) because the box is connected component and not HDMI, but I was searching around in On Demand and tried out the free 3D shows, and to my surprise they worked in 3D.

So my question is isn't HDMI needed for 3D to work? I was surprised when I watched some of a college football game from earlier in the year and some of a surfing movie from the free On Demand content. It seemed to work well, but is there something I am missing with only component? (PS3 is connected w/ HDMI). Thanks for the help!
post #155 of 373
I am considering giving the 47" model a try. Would you guys that have this and like it say that this is kind of a "hidden gem"? That's the feeling I get from reading & researching this set since stumbling upon it a couple days ago.
I currently have a 2007 Samsung 42" Plasma. Earlier this month I purchased the LG 47LW5600, although I ultimately returned it. I got it for 799 so I felt I almost had to keep it at that price. I was mostly pleased with the PQ while viewing head on, although the light bleeding and haloing bothered me. The colors and contrast were great. Unfortunately the off angle viewing drove me nuts. It's a thing I should have known as it is my key reason for avoiding LCD's for years. My LR is a bit of an odd layout in that it is short & wide so my "preferred" recliner is at about 35-40 degrees off center. Otherwise I have to sit by the wife (oh no!) on the couch to be head on. Curious to hear people's opinions on off angle viewing.
post #156 of 373
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Originally Posted by gb33 View Post

I am considering giving the 47" model a try. Would you guys that have this and like it say that this is kind of a "hidden gem"? That's the feeling I get from reading & researching this set since stumbling upon it a couple days ago.
I currently have a 2007 Samsung 42" Plasma. Earlier this month I purchased the LG 47LW5600, although I ultimately returned it. I got it for 799 so I felt I almost had to keep it at that price. I was mostly pleased with the PQ while viewing head on, although the light bleeding and haloing bothered me. The colors and contrast were great. Unfortunately the off angle viewing drove me nuts. It's a thing I should have known as it is my key reason for avoiding LCD's for years. My LR is a bit of an odd layout in that it is short & wide so my "preferred" recliner is at about 35-40 degrees off center. Otherwise I have to sit by the wife (oh no!) on the couch to be head on. Curious to hear people's opinions on off angle viewing.

Specs say viewing angles are 178 degrees which I can verify as true. 3D viewing may be a problem, specs recommend no more than 15 degrees for optimum 3D viewing.
post #157 of 373
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Originally Posted by ngwest36 View Post

Specs say viewing angles are 178 degrees which I can verify as true. 3D viewing may be a problem, specs recommend no more than 15 degrees for optimum 3D viewing.

+1. I found the 3D viewing angle to be very narrow. That being said I watched Cars 2 in 3D, sat outside the 15 degree window, and still enjoyed the movie. I'm beyond impressed with the set but I'm no video geek either.
post #158 of 373
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Originally Posted by ngwest36 View Post

Specs say viewing angles are 178 degrees which I can verify as true. 3D viewing may be a problem, specs recommend no more than 15 degrees for optimum 3D viewing.

Good to hear. While I will be doing some 3D viewing, it will be primarily used for family viewing and very very little gaming. So regular 2D off axis viewing is of concern for me. The LG had "specs" of 178 degrees as well but the contrast drop & colors de-saturise.
post #159 of 373
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Originally Posted by gb33 View Post

Good to hear. While I will be doing some 3D viewing, it will be primarily used for family viewing and very very little gaming. So regular 2D off axis viewing is of concern for me. The LG had "specs" of 178 degrees as well but the contrast drop & colors de-saturise.

Just keep in mind that the Vizio uses LG panels. I'd recommend checking them out in person.
post #160 of 373
Yeah I learned that as well, thanks. Though the LG was an ips LED panel which was supposed to be so great for wide angle viewing, which I disagree. In stores it doesnt show up as much as in a real home environment. Luckily these are carried at places with easy return policies if I don't like it.
post #161 of 373
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Originally Posted by Robborboy View Post

I am a bit confused. The Vizio E3D420VX is touted as a 5ms screen, and I bought it specifically for such and the 3D, however it is actually ~50ms. I even contacted Vizio support and they rebuffed that it WAS a 5ms screen and that before they could do anything I had to send them video proof of the delay. And the 50ms lag is pretty much unbearable for any gaming. And it has been especially prevalent in Skyrim.

Doesn't this fall a bit into the realm of false advertisement?

Be careful not to confuse input lag http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Display_lag and response time http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respons...y_technologies . The 50ms measurement is of input lag and the 5ms rating is the advertised response time.

With Game Mode turned on (Settings > Game Mode) this set (I have the 47" version) is fine for gaming. Try turning it on and off and back on again to be sure it isn't stuck in the off position. Without Game Mode turned on the input lag is bad and would have ruined gaming for me. Before I turned it on I was ready to take this set back.
post #162 of 373
So I did grab the 47" to give it a go. I will say, although only three days so far, the off angle viewing on this set is considerably better than the LG 47LW5600. Still reviewing most other aspects but this very important issue (for me) is greatly improved.
The picture is also quite good I believe, though the blacks to have a bit of a "cloud" cast to them. May need more tweak time.
post #163 of 373
Although I will use the caveat "for it's price" this tv is just shy of amazing. The off center viewing is far improved over my 47LW5600. Has less (nearly zero) clouding or light leakage around edges. No haloing. Better sound (not a huge deal). Very good screen uniformity. The lip sync adjustment feature is great. Great selection of "apps". Comparable color & "pop" with a slight edge to the LG.
I just wish the blacks could be a tick better & I would be 100% sold. While I'm not one to rant and rave about every televisions black level measurements, this is definitely a case where I can truly understand the importance of really good deep blacks. The blacks on this set (47") aren't the worst I've ever seen nor read about, but they do leave enough to be desired that it's causing me frustration. Otherwise, this thing would be THE bargain of the year. It's not pretty or elegant, and it is a Vizio. But it gets the job done quite well under most circumstances quite impressively. Reminds me of being the Hyundai Elantra of televisions.
post #164 of 373
Anyone else experiencing audio sync problems? This TV has everything I want (3D, Internet, 120 HZ).Walmart even has a boxed bundle with a 3D Blu Ray player for about $30 more. Thanks in advance.
post #165 of 373
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Originally Posted by The Vulcan View Post

Anyone else experiencing audio sync problems? This TV has everything I want (3D, Internet, 120 HZ).Walmart even has a boxed bundle with a 3D Blu Ray player for about $30 more. Thanks in advance.

I'm not.
post #166 of 373
I really wish this set would get more recognition than it gets. The 47" is an absolutely amazing deal with a plethora of features. If only it had slightly better blacks it would be near perfect. It has great off center viewing for an LCD as well.
I admit to having stuck my nose up to this and essentially any Vizio in the past. The thought of buying a TV from WalMart just seemed dumb to me. However this thing changed my mind real quick.
If you are sick of "light bleeding" , "haloing" , bad screen uniformity, horrible off axis viewing from these latest and greatest edge lit led's, give this guy a shot. I was shocked.
post #167 of 373
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Originally Posted by gb33 View Post

I really wish this set would get more recognition than it gets. The 47" is an absolutely amazing deal with a plethora of features. If only it had slightly better blacks it would be near perfect. It has great off center viewing for an LCD as well.
I admit to having stuck my nose up to this and essentially any Vizio in the past. The thought of buying a TV from WalMart just seemed dumb to me. However this thing changed my mind real quick.
If you are sick of "light bleeding" , "haloing" , bad screen uniformity, horrible off axis viewing from these latest and greatest edge lit led's, give this guy a shot. I was shocked.

We've been very happy with this set as well. It's been great for anything we've thrown at it PS3 gaming included.
post #168 of 373
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Originally Posted by gb33 View Post

I really wish this set would get more recognition than it gets. The 47" is an absolutely amazing deal with a plethora of features. If only it had slightly better blacks it would be near perfect. It has great off center viewing for an LCD as well.
I admit to having stuck my nose up to this and essentially any Vizio in the past. The thought of buying a TV from WalMart just seemed dumb to me. However this thing changed my mind real quick.
If you are sick of "light bleeding" , "haloing" , bad screen uniformity, horrible off axis viewing from these latest and greatest edge lit led's, give this guy a shot. I was shocked.

Ditto. Except for the Vizio aversion. I bought one of their plasmas years ago.
post #169 of 373
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Originally Posted by ngwest36 View Post

Ditto. Except for the Vizio aversion. I bought one of their plasmas years ago.

I will no longer be of that blind aversion. I just wish it got more recognition that it deserves. Although on televisioninfo they did give it value set of the year and value 3D set of the year. Just because it's not"sexy" looking or paper thin or have led backlighting or have "inky" blacks it isnt a news maker of forum baby.
One small thing that I like that this set does that even the top teir LG sets dont do, is pass through the DD feed via optical output. Not to mention a variable analog output! Come on those are great "little" features that get left out of so many of todays sets.
post #170 of 373
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Originally Posted by gb33 View Post

I will no longer be of that blind aversion. I just wish it got more recognition that it deserves. Although on televisioninfo they did give it value set of the year and value 3D set of the year. Just because it's not"sexy" looking or paper thin or have led backlighting or have "inky" blacks it isnt a news maker of forum baby.
One small thing that I like that this set does that even the top teir LG sets dont do, is pass through the DD feed via optical output. Not to mention a variable analog output! Come on those are great "little" features that get left out of so many of todays sets.

Yup. Definately a lot of brand snobbery out there. Vizio uses LG panels and I have a 360, PS3, PC and FiOS feeding this 47" 3D TV (which I got at wal-m**t for $600 on a clearance!) and the picture is 95% as good as the samsung LCD it replaced. And the 5% loss is due to the polarizing 3D film.
I've got some screen shots of Casino Royale around here somewhere that show how good this set is.
post #171 of 373
I was in wally world today. They had the 42" with 3D blu ray player, HDMI cable, 4 pairs of glasses, $20 credit for vudu, for $698. It you were ever wanting a 3D tv, this is a good deal.
post #172 of 373
So I am having issues with my E3D420VX. Particularly with my PS3. When ever we turn on the HDMI connected PS3 and attempt to change inputs the Vizio says there is no signal from the PS3 input, even though the PS3 is clearly on. We have to cycle through all of the other inputs and come back to the PS3 before it shows up. This process needs to be repeated anytime content from the PS3 changes, example: start a 720p game, play a video, etc. Its extremely annoying. Vizio tech support last night was useless.
I love this set for the price, but my kids can't play the PS3, if this doesn't get resolved its going back to Costco.
I have tried the following;
1.) switched HDMI cables - no joy
2.) switched inputs - no joy
3.) PS3 functions fine on my other Vizio, and two Samsungs

post #173 of 373
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Originally Posted by SteveHas View Post

So I am having issues with my E3D420VX. Particularly with my PS3. When ever we turn on the HDMI connected PS3 and attempt to change inputs the Vizio says there is no signal from the PS3 input, even though the PS3 is clearly on. We have to cycle through all of the other inputs and come back to the PS3 before it shows up. This process needs to be repeated anytime content from the PS3 changes, example: start a 720p game, play a video, etc. Its extremely annoying. Vizio tech support last night was useless.
I love this set for the price, but my kids can't play the PS3, if this doesn't get resolved its going back to Costco.
I have tried the following;
1.) switched HDMI cables - no joy
2.) switched inputs - no joy
3.) PS3 functions fine on my other Vizio, and two Samsungs


This TV takes a number of seconds to acquire a signal and produce a picture from HDMI sources. It may just be a design limitation or something inherent in the TV's firmware, but I noticed it from the very first day I bought the set home and hooked it up. Mine averages anywhere from less than five seconds to about 15 seconds to produce a picture from my cable DVR, my PS3, or my Mac Mini. I have a 55" non-3D model from Vizio that does the same thing; the "problem" has been documented in at least one online review.
post #174 of 373
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Originally Posted by ngwest36 View Post

Yup. Definately a lot of brand snobbery out there. Vizio uses LG panels and I have a 360, PS3, PC and FiOS feeding this 47" 3D TV (which I got at wal-m**t for $600 on a clearance!) and the picture is 95% as good as the samsung LCD it replaced. And the 5% loss is due to the polarizing 3D film.
I've got some screen shots of Casino Royale around here somewhere that show how good this set is.

I am still on my quest, and a recent great deal on an LG 50PZ950 plasma has me back to two sets duking it out again.
I have them side by side and tweaked to mach one another as best as I can. Of course, one remote controls both of them, including powerm volume, tuner, and all menu changes!
I have an admitted Plasma bias, but I am shocked at how close this mid-level Vizio matches up next to the "flagship" LG plasma. Colors, and saturation both look fantastic. The menu system, especially for streaming services and "widgets" on the Vizio is FAR FAR FAR superior. It is much quicker, easier, less cumbersome, and has many more choices. Really LG, no Pandora?!
The biggest hang-up is of course the black levels. While according to these forums LG's blacks are no good, I think they are perfectly good to great. It adds considerably more "pop" to the picture and dark scenes and shadow details are black. I don't necessarily find that the Vizio is "grey" its just that the blacks have a very noticeable blue tint to them. Very distracting. I have tried to get rid of it with temperature and bias adjustments but just cant.
Despite this, and the awesome picture of the LG, I am conflicted simply because of the LG's great menu system, streaming options, and passive 3D. Bottom line though is movie watching is much more enjoyable on the LG and its physical design is much more appealing and stylish.
post #175 of 373
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Originally Posted by Rudy1 View Post


This TV takes a number of seconds to acquire a signal and produce a picture from HDMI sources. It may just be a design limitation or something inherent in the TV's firmware, but I noticed it from the very first day I bought the set home and hooked it up. Mine averages anywhere from less than five seconds to about 15 seconds to produce a picture from my cable DVR, my PS3, or my Mac Mini. I have a 55" non-3D model from Vizio that does the same thing; the "problem" has been documented in at least one online review.

This switching latency only occurs with the PS3. DirecTV DVR, PC, etc are not effected though
post #176 of 373
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Originally Posted by SteveHas View Post

This switching latency only occurs with the PS3. DirecTV DVR, PC, etc are not effected though

Have you tried restoring the ps3 display defaults?
Turn off the ps3, then as you turn it back on, keep holding for 3-4 seconds. You should hear the initial beep when it turns on, wait until you hear a second beep. Display settings are then reset.
post #177 of 373
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Have you tried restoring the ps3 display defaults?
Turn off the ps3, then as you turn it back on, keep holding for 3-4 seconds. You should hear the initial beep when it turns on, wait until you hear a second beep. Display settings are then reset.

interesting...I did not know about this. Let me give it a try.

BTW, New Monoprice 6' High Speed HDMI cable in today, and no joy.
post #178 of 373
My tv just get 2.17.1100x better, I just received a firmware update that included skype and youtube.
post #179 of 373
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Originally Posted by carolcityboyz View Post

My tv just get 2.17.1100x better, I just received a firmware update that included skype and youtube.

Do you have the E3D420VX? And now have Skype and YouTube?

My set had an update for the Internet Apps, but didn't appear to pick up either of those apps. I suppose the Firmware is separate from the Widgets?

My TV Reports the following, does yours show 2.17 in either of these spots?

Firmware Version: 1.33.2.0937
(Menu Button -> Help -> System Info -> Version)
Vizio Internet Apps: 1.5.138.1
("V" Button -> Connected TV Store (I think formerly called "Settings" before the update) -> "Green" Button (Settings) -> About)

Thanks!
post #180 of 373
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Originally Posted by malakai1911 View Post

Do you have the E3D420VX? And now have Skype and YouTube?

My set had an update for the Internet Apps, but didn't appear to pick up either of those apps. I suppose the Firmware is separate from the Widgets?

My TV Reports the following, does yours show 2.17 in either of these spots?

Firmware Version: 1.33.2.0937
(Menu Button -> Help -> System Info -> Version)
Vizio Internet Apps: 1.5.138.1
("V" Button -> Connected TV Store (I think formerly called "Settings" before the update) -> "Green" Button (Settings) -> About)

Thanks!

I have the E3D320VX 32" version, i received the v.i.a. update sometime on Tuesday. When I went to turn on the tv yesterday firmware update pop-up (2.17.0.1100), if you haven't received it yet it will be coming soon. Youtube 3D works perfectly http://vizio.com/tvchat
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