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post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
Hey All,
I pulled the trigger on the Samsung PN64D8000 which should be here in early May. Its picture looks good, has tons of features, and the price was right. The salespeople prefer it to the equivalent Samsung LED/LCD.

I go to another shop for something else then ask questions about the plasma. They were ADAMANT that LED/LCD is the way to go. "Burnout is insane" on the plasma; "it's a dead technology", "the only reason it's around still is because it's cheap".

I realize I'm on a plasma forum, but what's your honest opinion? I can "return" the tv since I won't have it for weeks. I'd like to keep it 10 years, but my Toshiba DLP is sputtering at year 7 presently. Do I have to worry about this plasma burn-in?

I'll probably post this on the LED/LCD forum too, but value your opinions.

thanks--
post #2 of 21
The thing is some stores are adamant at pushing their LCD/LED product because that is what they get the most profit or have the most product of. I personally have used 3 HDTV's, first was a 720p LG LCD, then a 1080p Sony LCD and now my main set is a 1080p Panasonic plasma. The picture quality king for all the sets I've used is the plasma.

Plasma won't really be trounced for all around value + picture quality until OLED's start becoming more mainstream (and that's a while away), or full-array backlit LED's make some strides and improve their black levels and/or can lower their prices. Burn in isn't really that much of a problem for newer plasma's, IR will still happen but it's normal and is not distracting in most sets.

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Advantages

Picture quality
Produces deep blacks allowing for superior contrast ratio
Much wider viewing angles than those of LCD; images do not suffer from degradation at high angles unlike LCDs
No visible motion blur, thanks in large part to very high refresh rates and a faster response time, contributing to superior performance when displaying content with significant amounts of rapid motion

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Disadvantages
Physical
Generally do not come in smaller sizes than 37 inches
Heavier than LCD due to the requirement of a glass screen to hold the gases

Other
Use more electricity, on average, than an LCD TV
Do not work as well at high altitudes due to pressure differential between the gases inside the screen and the air pressure at altitude. It may cause a buzzing noise. Manufacturers rate their screens to indicate the altitude parameters.
For those who wish to listen to AM radio, or are Amateur Radio operators (Hams) or Shortwave Listeners (SWL), the Radio Frequency Interference (RFI) from these devices can be irritating or disabling.
Due to the strong infrared emissions inherent with the technology, standard IR repeater systems can not be used in the viewing room. A more expensive "plasma compatible" sensor must be used.
post #3 of 21
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Originally Posted by docfink View Post

Hey All,
I pulled the trigger on the Samsung PN64D8000 which should be here in early May. Its picture looks good, has tons of features, and the price was right. The salespeople prefer it to the equivalent Samsung LED/LCD.

I go to another shop for something else then ask questions about the plasma. They were ADAMANT that LED/LCD is the way to go. "Burnout is insane" on the plasma; "it's a dead technology", "the only reason it's around still is because it's cheap".

I realize I'm on a plasma forum, but what's your honest opinion? I can "return" the tv since I won't have it for weeks. I'd like to keep it 10 years, but my Toshiba DLP is sputtering at year 7 presently. Do I have to worry about this plasma burn-in?

I'll probably post this on the LED/LCD forum too, but value your opinions.

thanks--

My quick answer is "no", they aren't dinosaurs. But more important, does it matter? If the plasma television you buy today looks better to you than the LCD television you could have bought today, then it will still look better to you in two years, five years, whatever. There's no inherent advantage to "buying in" to a certain television technology since all televisions do the same thing... take a digital signal and display it in a form for your eyes to see. For example, there's no such thing as a movie that can be watched on an LCD but not a plasma or vice versa. Make sense?
post #4 of 21
Plasma's have the best picture quality. Edge-Lit LED's are the weakest. If you can get a full array with Local dimming LED tv than it is competitive with the top notch Plasma's.
post #5 of 21
Since you can buy it, it's not dead.

If it looks better than LCD to to you, then buy it.

What is your question again?
post #6 of 21
They roamed the earth 65 million years ago.
post #7 of 21
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Originally Posted by mauldie View Post

they roamed the earth 65 million years ago.

+1:d
post #8 of 21
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Originally Posted by docfink View Post

Hey All,
"Burnout is insane" on the plasma; "it's a dead technology", "the only reason it's around still is because it's cheap".

All three claims are factually incorrect. These quotes confirm that the salespeople had no real idea what they were talking about and/or were outright lying to you to get you to buy a TV which generates greater profit for them. Personally, I wouldn't shop somewhere I know the salesmen are liars.
post #9 of 21
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Originally Posted by PersianImmortal
All three claims are factually incorrect. These quotes confirm that the salespeople had no real idea what they were talking about and/or were outright lying to you to get you to buy a TV which generates greater profit for them. Personally, I wouldn't shop somewhere I know the salesmen are liars.

I agree. That store you went to is more about profit than customer service.

I just purchasef another plasma, I hate the look of the 120htz lcd tvs
post #10 of 21
Both technologies have trade offs. If not for the majority of plasma panels that use dithering due to limited gradation abilities, I would say they were damn perfect.

If you can get past that, Plasma is the way to go.
post #11 of 21
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Originally Posted by docfink View Post
Hey All,
I pulled the trigger on the Samsung PN64D8000 which should be here in early May. Its picture looks good, has tons of features, and the price was right. The salespeople prefer it to the equivalent Samsung LED/LCD.

I go to another shop for something else then ask questions about the plasma. They were ADAMANT that LED/LCD is the way to go. "Burnout is insane" on the plasma; "it's a dead technology", "the only reason it's around still is because it's cheap".

I realize I'm on a plasma forum, but what's your honest opinion? I can "return" the tv since I won't have it for weeks. I'd like to keep it 10 years, but my Toshiba DLP is sputtering at year 7 presently. Do I have to worry about this plasma burn-in?

I'll probably post this on the LED/LCD forum too, but value your opinions.

thanks--
In a word "NO!!!!!!!!!!!!" Plasmas are around for a while I think. Most of what you heard has no basis in fact. Unfortunately most sales folks dont have your best interests at heart.
post #12 of 21
Untill manufacturers are able to work out the kinks of LCD (viewing angles and motion resolution) or OLED shows up Plasma still is a decent technology. It must be said Plasma is slowly losing it's pro's (black levels and low crosstalk) to advancements in LCD technology.
post #13 of 21
WIll a dead Plasma ever fuel my car?
post #14 of 21
Kinda funny to say it's old no? When LCD and Plasma are both pretty young pups compared to say...CRT and DLP. If i were you i would just gone with another RPTV or get into Front projection like i am now.
post #15 of 21
reports on the death of plasmas are greatly exaggerated: do not believe it

my opinion only
post #16 of 21
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Originally Posted by docfink View Post
Hey All,
I pulled the trigger on the Samsung PN64D8000 which should be here in early May. Its picture looks good, has tons of features, and the price was right. The salespeople prefer it to the equivalent Samsung LED/LCD.

I go to another shop for something else then ask questions about the plasma. They were ADAMANT that LED/LCD is the way to go. "Burnout is insane" on the plasma; "it's a dead technology", "the only reason it's around still is because it's cheap".

I realize I'm on a plasma forum, but what's your honest opinion? I can "return" the tv since I won't have it for weeks. I'd like to keep it 10 years, but my Toshiba DLP is sputtering at year 7 presently. Do I have to worry about this plasma burn-in?

I'll probably post this on the LED/LCD forum too, but value your opinions.

thanks--
From one rookie to another, you made a good choice. But in all my research and learning and speaking to "pro" folks. It is highly dependent on what you use it for. LCD/LED has a brighter picture which is recognized by both sides, the plasma crowd and the LED/LCD crowd. However, plasma is known for it's deep rich blacks, and overall "better" picture.

I am VERY nervous about IR and burn in but from what I can gather, this all depends on whether you care for your product or abuse the crap out of it. If you are going to leave it on 24 hours a day with a static image, it will burn in.

Now, are you a gamer? If you are, plasma is the deal.

FWIW, I just returned my 55C6500 and brought home a 55ST30 and could not be happier except for one problem. There seems to be a "brightness fluctuation" that occurs during seens with really bright whites. This is currently being researched by the experts and we will see what happens.

But for overall PQ, I have never seen a clearer, noise free picture as I get on my new plasma.

Considering all the flaws in both technologies, I definitely think I am now a plasma fan.

Hope that helps.
post #17 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the advice. I realize that these things won't last forever, but I don't want to make a wrong decision that might be a problem down the road. I'll probably stick with my first decision here.
post #18 of 21
Thread Starter 
Yes, it makes sense, but I'm concerned about burn-in issues with the plasma that the intense salesman brought up yesterday. He said that after watching/listening to Pandora for two days at 6 hours each day, part of the Pandora had burned in on their display and had to be sent back. Even with an extended warranty, I don't want to worry about that.
post #19 of 21
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Originally Posted by docfink View Post

Yes, it makes sense, but I'm concerned about burn-in issues with the plasma that the intense salesman brought up yesterday. He said that after watching/listening to Pandora for two days at 6 hours each day, part of the Pandora had burned in on their display and had to be sent back. Even with an extended warranty, I don't want to worry about that.

you have to follow some basic guidelines to avoid burn in with a plasma: leaving certain logos up on the screen for extended periods should be avoided

LCD displays will also burn in under similar conditions: it just takes much longer

[and most warranties/ extended warranties will not cover burn in]
post #20 of 21
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Originally Posted by docfink View Post

Yes, it makes sense, but I'm concerned about burn-in issues with the plasma that the intense salesman brought up yesterday. He said that after watching/listening to Pandora for two days at 6 hours each day, part of the Pandora had burned in on their display and had to be sent back. Even with an extended warranty, I don't want to worry about that.

If you leave the same static image on the screen for hours on end you may need to worry about burn-in. How often do you do that? If, like most viewers, the answer is "never," then you've got nothing to worry about.
post #21 of 21
Yes, Plasma is a dinosaur. It will voraciously eat your children. If you decide to get a plasma though I recommend you install a viewing shield in order to protect your off-spring or else plasma will Om nom nom nom nom all over j00.
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