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post #61 of 134
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

So I wonder... With the reviews overall very positive, how come James Franco was bashing the film a few weeks/months ago?

Because hes silly. I didnt even know he did that.
post #62 of 134
I'm definitely going to see it again. I love when they get films with this kind of history just right.
post #63 of 134
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Originally Posted by buddahead View Post

Can't belive some are just concern with the CGI effects.What makes a movie is the story and plot kids.Grow up.

The contrast is hilarious. When a movie has a crappy plot and characters, but outstanding CGI then it is hollow and soulless. When a movie has a good plot and characters and bad CGI then it just bad and not worth seeing.
post #64 of 134
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Originally Posted by buddahead View Post

Josh Z.You need to get out more from your moms basement.

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you need to use spellcheck or have one of your monks proofread your sentences budda

Indeed. Better yet, he should just brush up on English, which, based on this first post to this thread, appears to be a second language -- or even a third.

Despite having originally decided to avoid Rise of the Planet of the Apes, I changed my mind and went to see it this morning. I gave it an IMDb vote of 7 Stars out of 10 because I was feeling particularly generous today. The smart apes were interesting if unconvincing, and the ensemble cast was quite good. I especially enjoyed Brian Cox as the venal warden of the ape prison (or whatever) and Tom Felton (Draco Malfoy from the Harry Potter films) as the Cox character's sadistic son. Freida Pinto (Slumdog Millionaire) looked beautiful as usual but didn't really have much to do.
post #65 of 134
It was a fun Drive In experience to be sure.

Generally I enjoyed the movie. The CGI was "almost there" in terms of realism. Great detail to the apes and considering how artificial the FX process was for the movie, what they managed to do is pretty astounding. I kept wondering what someone from 1968 (original POTA time period) would think if you showed this movie to him. The apes are so close to photo-realistic, yet are doing things that an ape couldn't do, or even a human in a costume. I bet it would be a real brain-teaser.

That said, some of the motion was off, especially in some rapid motion where the chimps started to move like video game characters. But the FX worked well often enough to keep me in the movie and absorbed.

I found that I had to struggle with the usual issues with any modern sci-fi-oriented film:
My brain is always doing a background moan about how much better it could have been if X, Y, Z..."

As a sci-fi fan I'm so hungry for adult, intelligent science fiction - it's a genre that is so ripe for a thoughtful approach - and to see all the dumbed down, common denominator strokes that are injected into every sci-fi movie is always disheartening, with this movie being no different. At times it just sped like it was made for an audience made entirely of ADD sufferers. Although, mercifully, it did finally slow down to let me sink into some scenes in the middle.

As critics have already pointed out, the humans were essentially ciphers. Just narrative cogs going through the motions.

One question for me going in was "Just how much is James Franco going to ruin this movie for me?"

Well, in a way the fact his character was a back seat to the ape Caesar lessened the pain. But casting a too-young-looking, slurring, dozy Franco as a brilliant scientist is just ridiculous. It's la-la-land casting for no other reason than - either the director/producers were in the middle of an epileptic fit when they said yes to the notion - or more obviously it was made on demographics.

But how I yearn for someone to cast a scientist with an actor that actually displays some maturity and intellectual authority...hence believability.

David Oyelowo gave us a one-note version of the well-worn villain company man. This character is so played-out it's like you could just fast forward any scene he's in, knowing exactly what that character is going to say and do.

And I for one am NEVER convinced by excuses for this type of laziness that reduce to "It's just a popcorn adventure movie, what do you expect?" The best movies, scripts and actors are those that manage to bring some nuance or creativity, even to points that may be starting with cliches. Lame results don't get this pass from me.

All that said, I really appreciated that both the script and the acting and execution of the apes portion of the movie were done with such conviction. It really came through and gave an underlying strength to the proceedings. Essentially, I found I cared to the extent the film-makers cared during the movies. The film-makers didn't seem to care about the human characters, given the laziness on display, which left me uncaring. But
they did clearly care about the Caesar story, hence that got me on board.

Ultimately, I would recommend this flick. When it was good, it was really good, and perhaps unique in some places.
post #66 of 134
Rise of the Planet Apes was incredible!! Finally a summer really worth watching and owning. The CGI was amazing some of the best I've ever seen, surpasses Avatar in my opinion. The story, screen play and acting was very good.

In all of the Planet Ape movies, we really learn in this movie how the apes came into power over mankind.
post #67 of 134
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Originally Posted by Auditor55 View Post

The CGI was amazing some of the best I've ever seen, surpasses Avatar in my opinion.

Was this released in 3D???
post #68 of 134
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Was this released in 3D???

No but "performance capture" isn't 3D either. The high quality of the CGI in Avatar doesn't necessarily need to be tied to its 3D process.
post #69 of 134
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Originally Posted by buddahead View Post

The whole crowd got up and me and then it starts up again with a mindblowing ending.I think the Mr Heston would be proud.

Was there anything beyond the scene that began very shortly after the credits started rolling? I stayed to the bitter end of the credits and didn't see anything in addition to that.

Cary
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Rise of the Planet Apes was incredible!! Finally a summer really worth watching and owning. The CGI was amazing some of the best I've ever seen, surpasses Avatar in my opinion. The story, screen play and acting was very good.
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That's awesome to know after some of this summer's films didn't pan out as expected...cool-cool
post #71 of 134
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Huh. Most of the reviews I've been reading today have gone out of the way to say that the CGI and mo-cap are pretty bad, especially in the first half of the movie.

Maybe you were reading the reviews for Green Lantern.
post #72 of 134
Just came back from seeing this and was also very impressed. No dull spots whatsoever. This will be a day one purchase on BD. Some have expressed a dislike for Franco but he wasn't bad at all to me or my wife. Easily the sleeper of the year thus far.
post #73 of 134
So to all the people who have seen it- will a fan of the original Chuck Heston film like this? Will it appeal to the same sensibility? Is it on the same wavelength? It sounds however like it's leaps and bounds better than that Tim Burton abomination.
post #74 of 134
I saw this last night, it was enjoyable. The "science" definitely takes a back seat to the action, but it is not just action from start to finish. The close-ups of the CGI apes were AMAZING. When the apes were in motion it was still "really good" but not quite perfect...motion/weight/inertia/etc are really hard to animate to perfection, but they are getting really close.

I watched the 1968 first Apes movie on Saturday night, it was the first time I had seen it (although I knew the basic plot). This new one is a completely different style of movie but it has kind of a reverse symmetry with the original and it features a few subtle nods to the original as well.

Overall a very well done action movie and I will probably go to the next one, if one is produced as a follow-up to this one.
post #75 of 134
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Originally Posted by ivanpino View Post

Maybe you were reading the reviews for Green Lantern.

For example:

http://www.boston.com/ae/movies/arti..._beastly_good/

These are excerpts from an otherwise positive review of the film (3 stars out of 4):

"If you can get past some less-than-convincing CGI - a big if during the film’s early scenes..."

"The computer-generated simians - no latex makeup this time - sit right on the line of bogusness. It’s hard to buy into a movie when your hero looks like a cut-rate video game."

"Caesar grows up, though, and the CGI improves - if you never lose sight that you’re watching something visually closer to a cartoon than a live-action film"

"Some audiences may not be able to get past the CGI at all"


I haven't seen the movie myself yet, but I haven't been particularly impressed with the look of the CGI in the trailers.
post #76 of 134
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I haven't seen the movie myself yet, but I haven't been particularly impressed with the look of the CGI in the trailers.

Same. Just based on the trailers (which should be completely indicative of the same scenes in the actual film) it didn't look that convincing.
post #77 of 134
I thought that overall the CGI in the movie looked better than the trailers. The movie featured lengthier shots and more close-ups whereas the trailer had more quick cuts which somehow didn't make the CGI look as good. But still there is room for improvement.

Of course, compared to the 1968 original the new one is a special effects miracle!
post #78 of 134
So, apparently after a 12 hour day, my eyes were too shot to notice any problems with the CGI.

I thought the movie was great start to finish. Caught several of the small nods to the original movie and loved it!

Franco didn't annoy me, but clearly, the movie was much better when he wasn't on screen. And for me personally, since my mother has Alzheimer's, the scenes between Franco and Lithgow were very difficult to watch (and of all things, this was one of TWO movies I saw this weekend with Alzheimer's sub-plots).

I will be adding this to my collection on blu ray! In fact, I may have to go see it again in the theaters next weekend.
post #79 of 134
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I will be adding this to my collection on blu ray! In fact, I may have to go see it again in the theaters next weekend.
I know it will hold up for next week as I believe Fright Night or Final Destination 5 will be the main competition. Anyone with a week two box office prediction? While I'm not going to see it twice in a theater (only because I want to see it next time on BD), I'll be seeing one of the two movies above.
post #80 of 134
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Originally Posted by sb1 View Post

Same. Just based on the trailers (which should be completely indicative of the same scenes in the actual film) it didn't look that convincing.

Trailer looks quite stinky..
post #81 of 134
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

For example:

http://www.boston.com/ae/movies/arti..._beastly_good/

These are excerpts from an otherwise positive review of the film (3 stars out of 4):

"If you can get past some less-than-convincing CGI - a big if during the film's early scenes..."

"The computer-generated simians - no latex makeup this time - sit right on the line of bogusness. It's hard to buy into a movie when your hero looks like a cut-rate video game."

"Caesar grows up, though, and the CGI improves - if you never lose sight that you're watching something visually closer to a cartoon than a live-action film"

"Some audiences may not be able to get past the CGI at all"


I haven't seen the movie myself yet, but I haven't been particularly impressed with the look of the CGI in the trailers.

Really who care's what you think Josh.
post #82 of 134
As visual effects and CGI obviously continue to improve, imo it would be best if the studios wouldn't reveal in advance what's real and what's not in a movie. Because I'm convinced sometimes we think it looks fake simply cause we know it's fake. I'm not saying the CGI in the film is 100% convincing, it's not. But it's pretty close at times; and it certainly shouldn't keep one from appreciating the movie's strengths: pacing, storyline, directing, acting... This one is simply a good film. YMMV
post #83 of 134
^ The biggest problem with CGI these days is the more, more, MORE mentality.
post #84 of 134
Just caught it tonight. I thought it was a passable popcorn flick. Not nearly as bad as Tim Burtons remake, but not even close to the '68 original. I didn't think the cgi was terrible, but I still felt as though I was watching a video game with killer graphics instead of something real during the action scenes. The main problem I have with this movie as well as Burton's is that they were clearly made to be simple entertainment. The original worked on so many levels- political, racial and religous allegories while still being exciting and entertaining. This movie like Burtons, is just an action movie cashing in on the Apes brand.
post #85 of 134
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Just caught it tonight. I thought it was a passable popcorn flick. Not nearly as bad as Tim Burtons remake, but not even close to the '68 original. I didn't think the cgi was terrible, but I still felt as though I was watching a video game with killer graphics instead of something real during the action scenes. The main problem I have with this movie as well as Burton's is that they were clearly made to be simple entertainment. The original worked on so many levels- political, racial and religous allegories while still being exciting and entertaining. This movie like Burtons, is just an action movie cashing in on the Apes brand.

I think the new movie went over your head.
post #86 of 134
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I think the new movie went over your head.

I'd have to be an inch tall for this movie to have went over my head. I stand about 6/2. I'm glad you enjoyed it a lot though, Dr. Freud.
post #87 of 134
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Just caught it tonight. I thought it was a passable popcorn flick. Not nearly as bad as Tim Burtons remake, but not even close to the '68 original. I didn't think the cgi was terrible, but I still felt as though I was watching a video game with killer graphics instead of something real during the action scenes. The main problem I have with this movie as well as Burton's is that they were clearly made to be simple entertainment. The original worked on so many levels- political, racial and religous allegories while still being exciting and entertaining. This movie like Burtons, is just an action movie cashing in on the Apes brand.

"Action Movie." "Simple Entertainment." To each his own but I couldn't disagree with you more.
post #88 of 134
I realize I'm in the minority on this picture, but I honestly found it to be no better than slightly above average. To it's fans- please explain to me what it is I'm missing that's so deep and profound about this movie that appeals so much to you.
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I thought the idea of inverting the story of the original to make Cesar much like Taylor's character to be somewhat clever, if a bit overdone. The whole chimp rebellion in the primate refuge also reminded me of a simian version of the day care escape from Toy Story 3 for some odd reason, lol.
Nobody wants to like a new PotA movie as much as me, for I adore the original and even have a soft spot for the spotty sequels, but I just fail to grasp all the gushing thats going on about this film.
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I hope to like the inevitable sequel that the Mars mission sub-plot set up a lot more.
post #89 of 134
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I realize I'm in the minority on this picture, but I honestly found it to be no better than slightly above average. To it's fans- please explain to me what it is I'm missing that's so deep and profound about this movie that appeals so much to you.
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I thought the idea of inverting the story of the original to make Cesar much like Taylor's character to be somewhat clever, if a bit overdone. The whole chimp rebellion in the primate refuge also reminded me of a simian version of the day care escape from Toy Story 3 for some odd reason, lol.
Nobody wants to like a new PotA movie as much as me, for I adore the original and even have a soft spot for the spotty sequels, but I just fail to grasp all the gushing thats going on about this film.
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I hope to like the inevitable sequel that the Mars mission sub-plot set up a lot more.

Maybe some of us like me don't go into the movie expecting it to be better or as good as the original.The original was a classic'with much thought and social meaning and one of the best actors to ever live.It set new benchmarks in makeup and special effects for its day.No movie can live up to that.But many and myself though the new movie a good story and welldone and special effects that were groundbreaking.In todays Hollywood it was above average for sure.Another fact of life is the older you get the harder it is to be satisfied.I was 13 when the original came out and 54 now.It is much easier to be impress as a child than an old fart I guess.
post #90 of 134
Well said Budda. It is a well done movie that should drive folks who never saw the much liked original to see it. Perfect set up for it. Rise held my attention from first frame to last. One of the reasons like I said before is that there are no dry, dull, time wasted scenes. To me that meant the director knows what he is doing. Every scene was interesting and well placed. Well written script also.
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