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Sony VW1000 4k, 13' Scope, and Ten 21 Inch Subs

post #1 of 437
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Warning! Slow thread. Breaking ground tomorrow morning. Was staked out today. Maybe the rain will stay away long enough to pour the footings tomorrow as well. Concrete is ordered just in case!

Will just start off by showing the layout.


post #2 of 437
I envy you with that much space to use.
Remember to keep taking pics - would love to see this built from scratch.
post #3 of 437
That is a HUGE space and sounds like a great canvas for you to build a killer theater in!

What do you have in mind (what are your goals)? Are you building with a custom builder whom you can work with to keep the trades (plumbers, electricianc and HVAC guys) from messing it up with the fruits of their labor? Do you know if there will be beams and lolly columns in the space too?
post #4 of 437
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Yeah, I'll post them once the pad is poured. Cant really see anything from the pics I took of the footing. It was a crazy day to say the least. Saved $600 on backhoe, lost $400 in concrete costs, and lost $350 in concrete truck wrecker. Concrete truck got stuck with about 4-5 yards left on it. Called in another truck with the minimum 4 yards ($400) then a guy on a tractor was riding down the road and was nice enough to get the rest of the concrete in the footing with his bucket. So didnt even use the truck that we called in. Oh well, its done and supposed to rain for like 5 days straight starting tomorrow night. So the loss isnt so bad.
post #5 of 437
As mentioned, that's a nice sized space to work with, should be fun. Have you planned out what you're going to do with the space (what are your goals)?
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Originally Posted by carboranadum View Post

That is a HUGE space and sounds like a great canvas for you to build a killer theater in!

What do you have in mind (what are your goals)? Are you building with a custom builder whom you can work with to keep the trades (plumbers, electricianc and HVAC guys) from messing it up with the fruits of their labor? Do you know if there will be beams and lolly columns in the space too?

I'm contracting out most of the work that will take too long to do myself but yes I'll be working with everyone. The only thing I may do as far as sound isolation is in the coffered cielings will add insulation. There really isnt a need for complete double DW and GG because it isnt part of the main house. I live way out in the country so dont have to worry about disturbing anyone. And, with 2 or 4-21" horns and 12-16 18" subs it would be pretty pointless to try to isolate it from the media/bar room.

Dennis is doing the layout right now I hope. I sent him the plans last week. Yeah there will be a coffered cieling with columns for the surrounds and a hushbox.

I'll post up my intended equipment.

I'm wanting to use grafik eye with irule. I've talked to my electrician (a good friend) and he said no problem but has never installed one so doesnt know what all I need to order. I just need to call a lighting specialist I guess.
post #7 of 437
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Originally Posted by audiovideoholic View Post

And, with 2 or 4-21" horns and 12-16 18" subs it would be pretty pointless to try to isolate it from the media/bar room.



subbed
post #8 of 437
This will be fun to watch!!!
post #9 of 437
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Here is the message that I sent to Dennis. Keep in mind that some of the surrounds will just be prewired and will be added with time.




Ok, the theater will need three rows of seating on risers. The ceiling is 10' and the green line around the perimeter and across the room for hush box is 16". The speakers are JTR triple 8s for LCR and slanted 8's/single 8's. I already have the LCR but am waiting to order the other 12 slanted8's/single 8's until I know what the design would recommend. The IB wall will house the LCR, multiple IB 18s will be around the LCRs either 12 or 16, and the two front loaded 21" Mal x's will be firing through the IB wall and the false screen wall. I will need the placement of the LCR, surrounds, heights, rear surrounds, and width speakers. I understand these speakers don't have polar plots and some of the other specs but as long as they are reasonably placed it will be fine. As far as the FLHs I think the attachments should show enough that you can understand how they will go through both walls on the stage. They are 4' exactly from rear to the edge of the mouth. If you would like another drawing that wont be a problem.

Projector-updated! Sony 1000es

Screen edit updated - Seymour Center StageXD 16:9 updated: 13' wide stewart ultramatte 150 microperf
Speakers-JTR Triple 8s, and mix between slanted and single 8's. 15 total

Subs-Too many. updated 10 sealed 21s

Amps- 1 QSC RMX 2450 for surrounds at 3/channel. 3 RMX 1850HD for rear, height, and width. 2 QSC PLX 3602 for LCR. 1 QSC RMX 4050 for IB subs. 1 QSC RMX 4050 for FLHs.

EQ and Sub management- still debating

Lighting- I have some drawings but nothing set in stone yet. Thinking about grafik eye linked to irule app on ipad.

If I forgot anything just let me know either by phone or email.

Thanks
Alex
post #10 of 437
Some seriously good gear going into your cinema! Seems like it will need a lot of reinforcing just to stop the subs from demolishing the room
post #11 of 437
Wow, quite a space, and equipment list. I'll be looking forward to seeing this come together!
post #12 of 437
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Out of all the amps I only have the 2450 right now. Just a heads up for anyone, the 3602 can be found cheap right now for B stock with warranty. Just ordered 2 of them.

Well it seems as if photobucket is down at the moment. Was going to upload some pics

Back up now



post #13 of 437
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Originally Posted by Antripodean View Post

Some seriously good gear going into your cinema! Seems like it will need a lot of reinforcing just to stop the subs from demolishing the room

Yeah the wife and I are debating on using plywood for the entire theater. I think it will help especially with added nailers between the studs. Then connecting all the room treatments will still be fun considering all the vibrations they will have to withstand.
post #14 of 437
Looks like a great space. With all the $$$ you'll be spending on gear I think it makes sense to spend a bit on some sound isolation. I'd be more worried about sounds getting in to the theater. Being that close to the garage I would think you would hear the garage door every time it goes up. The efforts spent on isolation might also help to eliminate annoying rattles and such from all those subs.

If you are using plywood and drywall I would at least do some green glue in between - The extra cost would be minimal in terms of the total cost of the theater.
post #15 of 437
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Looks like a great space. With all the $$$ you'll be spending on gear I think it makes sense to spend a bit on some sound isolation. I'd be more worried about sounds getting in to the theater. Being that close to the garage I would think you would hear the garage door every time it goes up. The efforts spent on isolation might also help to eliminate annoying rattles and such from all those subs.

If you are using plywood and drywall I would at least do some green glue in between - The extra cost would be minimal in terms of the total cost of the theater.

Yeah I know about all the sounds coming in or leaving the theater but my main concern is the HVAC. The garage doors would be the last thing on my mind being that if I'm in the theater I cant be pulling into the garage. This is the second garage (my garage only). Yes I agree about how green glue will help but nothing is going to stop the low frequencies from escaping so dont really want to spend the money. Stopping all of the rattling will be the biggest task. It would take 13 cases minimum to do it right then the extra labor so quick calculation would be over $4000. So $4000 just to help keep out noises isnt what I consider cheap. But you never know I could end up GGing it if budget is on track. Currently $750 over budget as of concrete truck episode lol.

Now if QuietGlue Pro would work then it would be very possible since it wouldnt cost as much, about half according to website.
post #16 of 437
You should look into pricing on buckets. 13 cases would be the equivalent of 8 5 gallon buckets with some extra to spare. I got buckets for around $200 so if you could get pricing around that, you would be looking at half that price. As for the labor - I'm not sure what they would charge for that - but with the applicator and pails it takes only a few minutes of time per sheet. Don't just go by list pricing on the green glue - you can get much better deals especially if you are buying quantity.
post #17 of 437
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You should look into pricing on buckets. 13 cases would be the equivalent of 8 5 gallon buckets with some extra to spare. I got buckets for around $200 so if you could get pricing around that, you would be looking at half that price. As for the labor - I'm not sure what they would charge for that - but with the applicator and pails it takes only a few minutes of time per sheet. Don't just go by list pricing on the green glue - you can get much better deals especially if you are buying quantity.

Alright, I'll look into the buckets. That would be alot better! Didnt figure the price would be that much different.
post #18 of 437
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Originally Posted by audiovideoholic View Post

Now if QuietGlue Pro would work then it would be very possible since it wouldnt cost as much, about half according to website.

If there's any question about the acoustic performance between QuietGlue Pro and Green Glue, just take a look at the test reports that are attached to the following thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=20262142#post20262142


Since it really doesn't matter, transmission-loss-wise, which damping glue you choose, that makes the decision much easier (purely cost-based)!
post #19 of 437
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Wife and I were out shopping around basically just looking at prices on tvs for the bar and found a deal that we couldnt pass up.

Got two insigna 32" 1080p LCD tvs for roughly 50% on clearance as they were both the last and were displays. I was surprised my wife wanted to jump on it just as much as I did. I know they arent the greatest but will do just fine for over the bar.

So we now have all of the tvs for the media/bar room.

2 Insignia 32" for in front of the bar 1080p
1 RCA 32" 720 for the end of the bar
1 Samsung PN63C8000 Plasma 3D for the opposite wall of the bar

post #20 of 437
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Just realized the FLHs arent posted up on this thread. These are 4' deep and a little over 7'3" tall. I have four of these but am going to ask Soho what they model at with only 2 with more watts. They may end up being ok with just 2. That would leave more room for the IB 18s. I'm shooting for between 135-138db at crossover point between the ULF IBs and the 28-30hz+ range FLHs.

post #21 of 437
If you could turn those FLHs into seats they would certainly go nicely in the back row However, let's just hope you don't run them full tilt with someone sitting in them
post #22 of 437
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if you could turn those flhs into seats they would certainly go nicely in the back row however, let's just hope you don't run them full tilt with someone sitting in them

lol
post #23 of 437
This looks like it will be a very interesting build!
post #24 of 437
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This looks like it will be a very interesting build!

I hope its a little more than just interesting!
post #25 of 437
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Got some juice today. They look flawless for B stock. There is a tiny scratch on the back of the rack mount on one and a tiny scratch on the bottom of the other. Great deal IMHO. Oh and they sound great on the JTR T8s. I swear these speakers could take 2000 watts no problem. They arent sweatin with the 3602 at all. Singing beautifully.

post #26 of 437
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Little editing for change in sub design. Ordering 8 more 21inchers for the ULF. Wont have room for 4 horns so it will be 2FLHs for 30hz+ and 8 large sealed or IB design 21s. 10 twenty ones. Never would have thought it LOL. Stupid is about all I can call it.
post #27 of 437
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Some shots of the block. Exciting LOL. Slowly but surely!







post #28 of 437
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My wife took these. Might as well throw them in here too.





post #29 of 437
What a nice spread! I see your Golden Retriever. Such good dogs...
post #30 of 437
Wow!! By the sound of your thread so far it seems like the Mrs. has come to terms with your addiction audiovideoholic

10 21" subs??? I think that is a first for a build in these parts. Your space will be quite the showcase, good luck and keep us posted.
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