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post #31 of 194
4/19/11 at 4:06pm
Just for clarity, here is a vid I shot last year with the Sony using the active stabilizer.






Do people see any jello here? I honestly haven't noticed any and this video has a TON of very fast movement near the end and the lens was at it's widest angle.
Mind you, this isn't to compare the PQ of the two cams as I did a ton of diffusion and color correction on the raw footage to get the "look" the artist wanted. The raw footage is much more saturated and sharper.
This isn't to say which camera is better as I think the PQ on the canon is excellent and I am VERY close to getting the g10.

But this way we can get a consensus on what we all are talking about in regards to jello or wobbly footage maybe.
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post #32 of 194
4/19/11 at 4:49pm
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Just for clarity, here is a vid I shot last year with the Sony using the active stabilizer.

Do people see any jello here? I honestly haven't noticed any and this video has a TON of very fast movement near the end and the lens was at it's widest angle.

This isn't to say which camera is better as I think the PQ on the canon is excellent.

But this way we can get a consensus maybe.


I see a very clear video and no jello at all and I looked carefully. It's just not there. The Canon does have better PQ but it's IS isn't very good if it makes jello from walking with it.
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post #33 of 194
4/19/11 at 5:10pm
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Please have a look and post your thoughts.



It's wobbly for sure, and I agree, unacceptable. I thought the right side was worse! Looks like that rooftop/house is dancing!
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post #34 of 194
4/19/11 at 5:11pm
I too think that the canon PQ is better than the Sony. The dynamic range is very impressive. But maybe the IS in all forms is just really really bad? That coupled with the very wide angle lens gives a really wobbly look with any panning, walking movement that is anything more than REALLY slow?

I'm hoping that it is just a few bad ones as some of the motion footage I'm seeing is very ugly and disorienting. I can't believe that this many people could be this unsteady at shooting.

It looks like such a tremendous camera if it doesn't inherently have this issue. But if it does I just can't use it to replace my 550 because I do a TON of handheld shooting and can't feel like I would have to be glued to the spot and hold my breath while shooting.
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post #35 of 194
4/19/11 at 5:14pm
wrong place...sorry
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post #36 of 194
4/19/11 at 5:35pm
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I too think that the canon PQ is better than the Sony. The dynamic range is very impressive. But maybe the IS in all forms is just really really bad? That coupled with the very wide angle lens gives a really wobbly look with any panning, walking movement that is anything more than REALLY slow?

I'm hoping that it is just a few bad ones as some of the motion footage I'm seeing is very ugly and disorienting. I can't believe that this many people could be this unsteady at shooting.

It looks like such a tremendous camera if it doesn't inherently have this issue. But if it does I just can't use it to replace my 550 because I do a TON of handheld shooting and can't feel like I would have to be glued to the spot and hold my breath while shooting.


I think it's probably an internal issue with the camera and hopefully it's just a bad batch. But walking with the cam should be a non-issue. i'm certain it has something to do with the OIS because when it's mounted on a tripod it's not there. I do a lot of handheld shots and don't have the luxury of having a tripod all the time.

I will test the next one I get more thoroughly now that I know what to look for, maybe there is a fix for it. i hope so because I really like the Canon.
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post #37 of 194
4/19/11 at 5:36pm
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Just for clarity, here is a vid I shot last year with the Sony using the active stabilizer.






Do people see any jello here? I honestly haven't noticed any and this video has a TON of very fast movement near the end and the lens was at it's widest angle.
Mind you, this isn't to compare the PQ of the two cams as I did a ton of diffusion and color correction on the raw footage to get the "look" the artist wanted. The raw footage is much more saturated and sharper.
This isn't to say which camera is better as I think the PQ on the canon is excellent and I am VERY close to getting the g10.

But this way we can get a consensus on what we all are talking about in regards to jello or wobbly footage maybe.


Very nice video..well done. Did you play the song on a portable MP3 player for her to sing along with? How did you sync it up in post? My buddy has a band and wants me to shoot a music video for him and I was wondering what the best way to do it was.

You can PM me the answer if you don't want people to think we are hijacking the thread.
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post #38 of 194
4/19/11 at 5:37pm
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Yeah there was some slop when I adjusted the mic settings to less than jet engine levels due to the wind. But the shaking is a problem and that cam had a problem. It also had jello. I knew I was going to post the video, did you think I could shake like an epileptic having a seizure on command?

The real point here is that neither you or Ken believe this is a problem or that it even exists. Others have offered up suggestions as to what the problem might be, how to fix it or whatever. If you want to just keep on saying it's operator error or that it's in our imagination then you aren't helping.

I'm not trying to say a problem doesn't exist. It definitely looks wonky either which way. It just has me curious, as it is difficult to gauge all the variables when I wasn't the one to originally record it, so I don't know what was going on.

I've been performing several closely controlled tests inside my apartment with the XA10, connected directly to my HDTV via the hdmi cable. Testing with all the different IS modes compared to it off. jerking it quickly to different parts of my ceiling and walls, slowly panning around the ceiling and walls, quickly panning around the ceiling and walls, doing circles with it, flipping it on its side, and then the other side, moving it up and down, basically all sorts of neat movements. While it of course has been determined that the XA10 may or may not have this reported issue, I can say that I do not see any excess shaking, when I stop it it stops, with the exception of dynamic IS. Dynamic IS when doing my quick jerk and stop tests would drift slightly in random directions before also coming to a stop. Like, the entire frame would drift slowly, but this doesn't display a wobbling like effect. In standard IS the drifting behavior would go away and when I stopped the camcorder it stopped on the appropriate frame immediately. No IS behaved like standard IS, except shakier because of the lack of any and all IS. Powered IS is designed for still telephoto shots and works very well when used for its intended purpose. Panning around with it creates a weird jerky look. All my tests with the other IS modes were done at full wide angle only, no zooming what so ever.

I could probably compile these clips in a video to upload for review, but it looks great to me.

Again, not trying to debate that there ultimately isn't a problem with the camcorder you had. If the camera is as still as you say it is and that's what happens on its own then that is very odd. I'm trying to narrow it down to where if it's native in the design of these things, to people using them differently, to just some of them being bad. It was reported that Ken's video with the XA10 had some wobbling. And it does a bit, I suppose. But even then, it's hard to gauge exactly what was going on when it was originally shot. If it's as common an issue as it seems like it is, I'd like to know what it is and how it is caused exactly. That is all
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post #39 of 194
4/19/11 at 5:42pm
Awesome, Steve.

Thank you very much. I have had my virtual finger on the trigger all week as my $ from a recent shoot just came in but I'm definitely in a holding pattern. I really think a good thing to try would be an a/b with another cam mounted on the same rig. My Halorig hd can do it as it has 3 mount holes on the base bar.
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post #40 of 194
4/19/11 at 5:50pm
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I'm not trying to say a problem doesn't exist. It definitely looks wonky either which way. It just has me curious, as it is difficult to gauge all the variables when I wasn't the one to originally record it, so I don't know what was going on.

I've been performing several closely controlled tests inside my apartment with the XA10, connected directly to my HDTV via the hdmi cable. Testing with all the different IS modes compared to it off. jerking it quickly to different parts of my ceiling and walls, slowly panning around the ceiling and walls, quickly panning around the ceiling and walls, doing circles with it, flipping it on its side, and then the other side, moving it up and down, basically all sorts of neat movements. While it of course has been determined that the XA10 may or may not have this reported issue, I can say that I do not see any excess shaking, when I stop it it stops, with the exception of dynamic IS. Dynamic IS when doing my quick jerk and stop tests would drift slightly in random directions before also coming to a stop. Like, the entire frame would drift slowly, but this doesn't display a wobbling like effect. In standard IS the drifting behavior would go away and when I stopped the camcorder it stopped on the appropriate frame immediately. No IS behaved like standard IS, except shakier because of the lack of any and all IS. Powered IS is designed for still telephoto shots and works very well when used for its intended purpose. Panning around with it creates a weird jerky look.

I could probably compile these clips in a video to upload for review, but it looks great to me.

Again, not trying to debate that there ultimately isn't a problem with the camcorder you had. If the camera is as still as you say it is and that's what happens on its own then that is very odd. I'm trying to narrow it down to where if it's native in the design of these things, to people using them differently, to just some of them being bad. It was reported that Ken's video with the XA10 had some wobbling. And it does a bit, I suppose. But even then, it's hard to gauge exactly what was going on when it was originally shot. If it's as common an issue as it seems like it is, I'd like to know what it is and how it is caused exactly. That is all


Oh I agree with you. i'm just trying to find out why when walking the cam does it's wobble thing to the point where I just can't take it.
The problem is none of us live within commutable distance so when there is a problem it's not like you can sit down with the camera and brainstorm it.
You have to go based on what you personally know and post the video and try and sort it all out.

OIS seems to like to grab things and under zoom this is a good thing but not great for walking. My TM900 if you had max OIS on it would literally grab at things as you walked past them. no jello but clearly it wanted to keep something in the shot and I forget what setting I used to get rid of that but it was a lower setting I believ and it went away.

I would love to know what is causing this and make it so it no longer does it. I really need a cam I can use indoors. The TM900 is not going to work for tha and the Sony's ultra slow autofocus makes it too annoying. I haave videos of that and I think i kept them to remind me about how bad it is.

I remember way back when there were local photography clubs and problems were worked out or workarounds were discovered. Sadly no longer at least not up here.

I think it would be great if you could upload some clips as long as they are like 30 sec long each it's easier to see what's going on.

Whip pans do not show this problem nor do zooms. It seems to be mostly slow to moderate pans left or right and walking fairly slowly with the camera.
So it's not extreme stuff.
If you could post some clips like that it would be great!
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post #41 of 194
4/19/11 at 5:55pm
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Awesome, Steve.

Thank you very much. I have had my virtual finger on the trigger all week as my $ from a recent shoot just came in but I'm definitely in a holding pattern. I really think a good thing to try would be an a/b with another cam mounted on the same rig. My Halorig hd can do it as it has 3 mount holes on the base bar.

Yeah if you use a rig like that it might eliminate any problems since you will use the OIS significantly less. I want to buy the Hague Mini Cam rig. From a design standpoint it looks like something the company I work for would build.
I think a good stabilizer rig might fix the jello problem with the HF G10.

You certainly can't go wrong mounting 2 cams and doing an A/B comparo.
Considering the video you took, you'd see a problem pretty fast if there was one. That was some nice work, very professional, good editing as I know you had to add the audio in post.
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post #42 of 194
4/19/11 at 6:05pm
Thanks. Steve!

I actually shot that before I got the Halorig HD. I used an opteka x grip.

http://opteka.com/xgrip.aspx

Thanks for the video comments. Very much appreciated. We actually had a VERY large boombox that was cranked which you can see in a couple of shot on the pier. A problem we ran into was the further away we got from the boombox, the more our of sync the video got compared to the audio track itself as sound travels way slower than light. So by the time she was 100 feet or so away, the audio was about a 1/4 of a second or so off and was visibly out of sync. Even though on the camera mic, she WAS still in sync! It was a HUGE pain and I had to jeep moving the footage from the 3 different takes backwards and forwards slightly in the editor using the audio wavforms to guide me. If we had simply mounted the audio source right by me and the camera, we never would have had this issue. For the next one I do with movement I am going to use my zoomh4n mounted on the rig next to the camera as it has a speaker.


This is the vid I did with the Halorig hd.




http://halorig.com/index.php/halo-ri...tabilizer-shop

This would be great to use for a test. Just got to find someone here in NYC with a g10 or an xa10
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post #43 of 194
4/19/11 at 6:17pm
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Yeah if you use a rig like that it might eliminate any problems since you will use the OIS significantly less. I want to buy the Hague Mini Cam rig. From a design standpoint it looks like something the company I work for would build.
I think a good stabilizer rig might fix the jello problem with the HF G10.

You certainly can't go wrong mounting 2 cams and doing an A/B comparo.
Considering the video you took, you'd see a problem pretty fast if there was one. That was some nice work, very professional, good editing as I know you had to add the audio in post.

Yes..you probably could build them..and if you did...people would line up to buy them. The Hague is PERFECT for this camera but they are made in the UK and cost about $150 each. Make one that sells for $99 and you would sell a TON!!!

DO IT !!
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post #44 of 194
4/19/11 at 6:17pm
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Oh I agree with you. i'm just trying to find out why when walking the cam does it's wobble thing to the point where I just can't take it.
The problem is none of us live within commutable distance so when there is a problem it's not like you can sit down with the camera and brainstorm it.
You have to go based on what you personally know and post the video and try and sort it all out.

OIS seems to like to grab things and under zoom this is a good thing but not great for walking. My TM900 if you had max OIS on it would literally grab at things as you walked past them. no jello but clearly it wanted to keep something in the shot and I forget what setting I used to get rid of that but it was a lower setting I believ and it went away.

I would love to know what is causing this and make it so it no longer does it. I really need a cam I can use indoors. The TM900 is not going to work for tha and the Sony's ultra slow autofocus makes it too annoying. I haave videos of that and I think i kept them to remind me about how bad it is.

I remember way back when there were local photography clubs and problems were worked out or workarounds were discovered. Sadly no longer at least not up here.

I think it would be great if you could upload some clips as long as they are like 30 sec long each it's easier to see what's going on.

Whip pans do not show this problem nor do zooms. It seems to be mostly slow to moderate pans left or right and walking fairly slowly with the camera.
So it's not extreme stuff.
If you could post some clips like that it would be great!

After I made my first post I decided to extend my testing and walk around outside for some carefully controlled shots (as controlled as they can be, hand held of course lol) while walking around. Walked at a fair pace from point A to point B for about 45 seconds with each IS mode (not powered), then walked in circles for about 30 or so seconds panning around with each IS mode minus powered. Played back the footage on my tv directly from the camcorder. My results came out with there indeed being some wobble like behavior however this was due to the sway of my walk, and possibly the sway of the camcorder itself also. Was holding it by the handle for each shot. As interesting as that was, I can't say I can identify anything quite like what I identified in the other posted videos of this issue. It doesn't look like that, looks more like a natural wobble of the device itself. Becomes more apparent when the IS is turned off.

I don't have a camcorder made from another company to compare IS behavior to, so wouldn't be able to see if any of that natural looking wobble disappears on another device. Would be an interesting test if I had the means to do it though.

I'll see if I can get something put together with these clips and get it uploaded tonight, should have something to post tomorrow for further review of what you guys think of it.
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post #45 of 194
4/19/11 at 6:29pm
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After I made my first post I decided to extend my testing and walk around outside for some carefully controlled shots (as controlled as they can be, hand held of course lol) while walking around. Walked at a fair pace from point A to point B for about 45 seconds with each IS mode (not powered), then walked in circles for about 30 or so seconds panning around with each IS mode minus powered. Played back the footage on my tv directly from the camcorder. My results came out with there indeed being some wobble like behavior however this was due to the sway of my walk, and possibly the sway of the camcorder itself also. Was holding it by the handle for each shot. As interesting as that was, I can't say I can identify anything quite like what I identified in the other posted videos of this issue. It doesn't look like that, looks more like a natural wobble of the device itself. Becomes more apparent when the IS is turned off.

I don't have a camcorder made from another company to compare IS behavior to, so wouldn't be able to see if any of that natural looking wobble disappears on another device. Would be an interesting test if I had the means to do it though.

I'll see if I can get something put together with these clips and get it uploaded tonight, should have something to post tomorrow for further review of what you guys think of it.

You have the XA 10 right? Thank you for taking the time to help. Appreciate it!
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post #46 of 194
4/19/11 at 6:38pm
Dave,

Nice video, well done. What Sony Camcorder where you using? I am going to hold off on a camcorder for now, I had the HF G10 for about 2 weeks and too it back as it had more issues than just the Jello effect for me. I want a consumer camcorder that does both low light and bright light well, so not sure which camera that is yet as I was hoping the Canon was the ticket.
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post #47 of 194
4/19/11 at 6:48pm
Thanks, Garman. It was the Sony cx550. I now mostly use it as a "b" cam as I got a nx5u which is excellent. Just MUCH bigger and heavier so it's always on a tripod of monopod.
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post #48 of 194
4/19/11 at 6:58pm
Ok, just dug these up from the vaults. The second night I had the 550 walking around.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWeaJg09Zys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDhVJw8nkqQ

Never noticed, (but in all fairness, never looked...) any jello or wobbliness. Just the slight judder when the electronic stabilization kicks in if the camera is moved too much and at first it thinks it should keep the image still. Like when panning or turning.

And one more in slo mo but with some walking shots for a song my wife and I wrote and recorded...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-erlwJ0u7Y

The slo mo might actually make any wobbling easier to see.
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post #49 of 194
4/19/11 at 7:22pm
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Thanks. Steve!

I actually shot that before I got the Halorig HD. I used an opteka x grip.

http://opteka.com/xgrip.aspx

Thanks for the video comments. Very much appreciated. We actually had a VERY large boombox that was cranked which you can see in a couple of shot on the pier. A problem we ran into was the further away we got from the boombox, the more our of sync the video got compared to the audio track itself as sound travels way slower than light. So by the time she was 100 feet or so away, the audio was about a 1/4 of a second or so off and was visibly out of sync. Even though on the camera mic, she WAS still in sync! It was a HUGE pain and I had to jeep moving the footage from the 3 different takes backwards and forwards slightly in the editor using the audio wavforms to guide me. If we had simply mounted the audio source right by me and the camera, we never would have had this issue. For the next one I do with movement I am going to use my zoomh4n mounted on the rig next to the camera as it has a speaker.


This is the vid I did with the Halorig hd.




http://halorig.com/index.php/halo-ri...tabilizer-shop

This would be great to use for a test. Just got to find someone here in NYC with a g10 or an xa10


Nice although wouldn't it have been easier to put the audio in post?
You might be able to make a rig where you have the boombox being held by someone who stays out of camera range and tags along to keep the sound close by. It's not easy when you are outside like that. But you do need a lot of wattage for that. Well it's a far better job than I could have done.

That rig looks sweet nice and smooth. I'd still buy a Hague but yours is done well very smooth.
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post #50 of 194
4/19/11 at 7:23pm
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Ok, just dug these up from the vaults. The second night I had the 550 walking around.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWeaJg09Zys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDhVJw8nkqQ

Never noticed, (but in all fairness, never looked...) any jello or wobbliness. Just the slight judder when the electronic stabilization kicks in if the camera is moved too much and at first it thinks it should keep the image still. Like when panning or turning.

And one more in slo mo but with some walking shots for a song my wife and I wrote and recorded...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-erlwJ0u7Y

The slo mo might actually make any wobbling easier to see.

Dave looking at that video and the ones I shot with the HF G10, I would say Sony stabilization is way better. Just curious what the main differences are between the 560 and 550?
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post #51 of 194
4/19/11 at 7:25pm
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Yes..you probably could build them..and if you did...people would line up to buy them. The Hague is PERFECT for this camera but they are made in the UK and cost about $150 each. Make one that sells for $99 and you would sell a TON!!!

DO IT !!


Nah, no way do I want to copy that guys invention and making it for $99 isn't as easy as you think. I'm in manufacturing so I know. We custom design a lot of stuff for manufacturing but this is likely our last year after 50+ years in business.
If you want a good stabilizer don't build it in China where they have little quality control.
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post #52 of 194
4/19/11 at 7:37pm
Thanks steve. Yeah the audio was put in later right from a wav file from her CD. We just played the cd on a boom box for her to lipsync to but as we got further away from the box, her sync went off!

Next time I'm attaching a little portable player like my zoom with it's speaker to the camera rig.

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post #53 of 194
4/19/11 at 7:37pm
Yeah, I am testing with the XA10.

Got the footage together in a seamless manner. From reviewing the walking scenes further on my PC, the dynamic IS appears to feature a rather unnatural smooth wobble that indeed resembles the issue being described. The unnatural wobble seems to turn into a natural looking wobble in standard IS and with IS turned off. This is an interesting observation.

I haven't been using dynamic IS for much of anything, these tests here are about my first time using it since I got the camcorder. When I turned it on the first time I promptly set it to standard from the start since that's how I preferred it on my old Canon HF M30.

Basically, it looks like I was able to recreate the issue under certain conditions, walking with dynamic IS. Canon claims the dynamic IS is best demonstrated while walking, that appears to be its designed purpose. The weird wobbling is an interesting side effect. I am curious if my old HF M30 would do something similar on dynamic IS, I have not done any tests like that with it.

Standard IS is said to be best used if you are standing in one place, panning or just focusing on something.

And powered IS is best used at full telephoto while standing in one place.

In the static location shots in the first clips you'll notice that the dynamic IS seems to be very hard to get to keep still. The frame looks like it's constantly moving, whereas the picture in standard and no IS will actually freeze in place when you stop panning around.

The video that is rendering right now for upload shows all this in great detail. May prove neat.
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post #54 of 194
4/19/11 at 8:23pm
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Thanks steve. Yeah the audio was put in later right from a wav file from her CD. We just played the cd on a boom box for her to lipsync to but as we got further away from the box, her sync went off!

Next time I'm attaching a little portable player like my zoom with it's speaker to the camera rig.



That should work if all you need is her to hear the music to sing to. You might be able to rig up an iPod or something with a small external speaker for her to wear or something.
Oh wait a zoom is kinda like that isn't it?
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post #55 of 194
4/19/11 at 8:25pm
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Yeah, I am testing with the XA10.

Got the footage together in a seamless manner. From reviewing the walking scenes further on my PC, the dynamic IS appears to feature a rather unnatural smooth wobble that indeed resembles the issue being described. The unnatural wobble seems to turn into a natural looking wobble in standard IS and with IS turned off. This is an interesting observation.

I haven't been using dynamic IS for much of anything, these tests here are about my first time using it since I got the camcorder. When I turned it on the first time I promptly set it to standard from the start since that's how I preferred it on my old Canon HF M30.

Basically, it looks like I was able to recreate the issue under certain conditions, walking with dynamic IS. Canon claims the dynamic IS is best demonstrated while walking, that appears to be its designed purpose. The weird wobbling is an interesting side effect. I am curious if my old HF M30 would do something similar on dynamic IS, I have not done any tests like that with it.

Standard IS is said to be best used if you are standing in one place, panning or just focusing on something.

And powered IS is best used at full telephoto while standing in one place.

In the static location shots in the first clips you'll notice that the dynamic IS seems to be very hard to get to keep still. The frame looks like it's constantly moving, whereas the picture in standard and no IS will actually freeze in place when you stop panning around.

The video that is rendering right now for upload shows all this in great detail. May prove neat.


I'm really hoping this provides some much needed answers. I'm certain the IS is involved with the problem. The thing is how to correct it.
I'm sure your video will be very helpful.
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post #56 of 194
4/19/11 at 8:45pm
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That should work if all you need is her to hear the music to sing to. You might be able to rig up an iPod or something with a small external speaker for her to wear or something.
Oh wait a zoom is kinda like that isn't it?


Yeah the zoom actually has a pretty loud little speaker. Next time that's what I'll use if we're moving any distance. The boombox was cranked and the while pier heard us. Luckily being NYC, most people either ignored us or liked the tune and met us and agreed to be in it (like the redhead) and just acted like the camera wasn't there.

Yeah. The zoom actually has a pretty loud little speaker
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post #57 of 194
4/20/11 at 7:14am
Alright, the video has been uploaded.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY2WGEI_RR0

From my observations I can only see this wobbling effect in the walking tests in dynamic IS. As such, in standard IS it just looks to be the natural sway / bounce of the camcorder. Dynamic just adds a lot of fluidity to it, makes it look all wicked and almost like an optical illusion.

Since this problem is only reported to be happening at full wide angle, with dynamic IS I believe, this just seems like an issue that came around when Canon put a wide angle lens on this camcorder. The other consumer camcorders didn't have this, the widest angle was zoomed in a bit more by default. It may be possible that with the introduction of this wide angle lens, the dynamic IS wasn't tweaked to handle it appropriately. Possibly a work around could be to zoom in a bit, perhaps to the 40mm area, to mimic that of their normal line of camcorders and see if the problem continues to appear that way. Another work around, at least based on the tests I was able to do, is to not use dynamic IS at all and go with standard IS.
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4/20/11 at 7:33am
That totally makes sense. Seems workable and the image it produces is excellent.
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4/20/11 at 11:03am
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Alright, the video has been uploaded.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY2WGEI_RR0

From my observations I can only see this wobbling effect in the walking tests in dynamic IS. As such, in standard IS it just looks to be the natural sway / bounce of the camcorder. Dynamic just adds a lot of fluidity to it, makes it look all wicked and almost like an optical illusion.

Since this problem is only reported to be happening at full wide angle, with dynamic IS I believe, this just seems like an issue that came around when Canon put a wide angle lens on this camcorder. The other consumer camcorders didn't have this, the widest angle was zoomed in a bit more by default. It may be possible that with the introduction of this wide angle lens, the dynamic IS wasn't tweaked to handle it appropriately. Possibly a work around could be to zoom in a bit, perhaps to the 40mm area, to mimic that of their normal line of camcorders and see if the problem continues to appear that way. Another work around, at least based on the tests I was able to do, is to not use dynamic IS at all and go with standard IS.


Ok about 4:26 in you will see *some* wobble on the left hand side. It's nothing like what mne was doing and I could live with that. The OIS makes it look like you are stomping down the walkway. Much in the same way it looked like I was shaking.

Your XA10 does not IMO have a jellovision problem. A slight aberation as I pointed out but that is livable. Mine would wobble just holding it still.
Maybe there really is a difference between the XA10 and the HF G10.
Slight aberations that are inconsistant are acceptable with a CMOS camcorder. No way would you be able to live with mine with it wobbling all over creation.
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4/20/11 at 11:11am
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Originally Posted by Steve Cebu View Post

Ok about 4:26 in you will see *some* wobble on the left hand side. It's nothing like what mne was doing and I could live with that. The OIS makes it look like you are stomping down the walkway. Much in the same way it looked like I was shaking.

Your XA10 does not IMO have a jellovision problem. A slight aberation as I pointed out but that is livable. Mine would wobble just holding it still.
Maybe there really is a difference between the XA10 and the HF G10.
Slight aberations that are inconsistant are acceptable with a CMOS camcorder. No way would you be able to live with mine with it wobbling all over creation.

That is good to know. Your video looks significantly more intense then anything I could ever get my camcorder to do, because that was pretty bad lol. Maybe the pro version received some extra care and tweaking that the G10 didn't deserve or something.

Also I was wearing flip flops while doing the walking so my walking technique was a bit more rough then it would normally be if I were really aiming at getting good footage XD
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