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post #1231 of 3154
5/10/12 at 7:15pm
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

Sure, it's a stupid tactical decision but not necessarily one which a compassionate human would not be inclined to do anyway. If the choice comes back to bite him with an axe that will be the nature of the show. Trust got his father killed too and while that made him a poor strategist it also made Ned a decent person.

Ned was a moron.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/donnad/intro...upid-ned-stark
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post #1232 of 3154
5/10/12 at 7:18pm
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Sure, it's a stupid tactical decision but not necessarily one which a compassionate human would not be inclined to do anyway. If the choice comes back to bite him with an axe that will be the nature of the show. Trust got his father killed too and while that made him a poor strategist it also made Ned a decent person.

Never said he wasn't a decent person ;-) decent people often end up dead tough on this show. He did the compassionate thing, but strategically poor thing as well. This isn't the first time he has defied orders and if he brings her back not only will she die, but he as well. They are in enemy territory during a time of war rules of life often change then.
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post #1233 of 3154
5/10/12 at 8:01pm
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Originally Posted by mr. wally View Post

i guess i'm the only one questioning john snow's judgment keeping that wildling alive.

i suppose it has a purpose of some sort as i don't think they'll kill off his character anytime soon.

He is too honorable to kill a woman...even tho he's not a knight part of the chivalric code is to protect all women. The only reason for the lack of knights in the north is because they mostly follow different gods.
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post #1234 of 3154
5/10/12 at 8:28pm
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Originally Posted by daryl zero View Post

Ned was a moron.

And who would you rather have on your side in a bar fight? Ned Stark or anyone else from Thrones? I'd go with the one who might be a moron but is good with a sword and the least likely to put it in your back half way through the battle.

Nearly everyone else on the show serves only their own interests or a coin purse.

Ned was killed by the things that made him your best ally. Loyalty and honor.
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post #1235 of 3154
5/10/12 at 9:22pm
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And who would you rather have on your side in a bar fight? Ned Stark or anyone else from Thrones? I'd go with the one who might be a moron but is good with a sword and the least likely to put it in your back half way through the battle.

Nearly everyone else on the show serves only their own interests or a coin purse.

Ned was killed by the things that made him your best ally. Loyalty and honor.

I wouldn't mind having Ser Gregor having my back in a bar fight but I get what your saying. Loyalty wise then I would definitely go with Ned Stark. He would take a beating with you if there was no chance of winning just to not let you down.
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post #1236 of 3154
5/10/12 at 9:25pm
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This was the first episode that I really did not like any of the scenes with Daenerys. I thought her acting and dialog was weak. Lines like "I didn't come here for a lesson in grammar" just sound anachronistic.

Most of this episode she just came across as a naive brat having a tantrum that walked in from another show. I was expecting Daenerys to start stamping her foot like Marisa Tomei in My Cousin Vinny. Clarke doesn't project the same authority she did in previous episodes and her delivery seems to have suffered now they've given her a bath.

I think that was kind of the point though. She doesn't have the power that she once did when she was Khal Drogo's Khaleesi and until her dragons are ready for war she is going to remain a little inept girl because the truth is that no one actually owes her anything but I think some are smart to fear what she may become in the future.
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post #1237 of 3154
5/10/12 at 9:30pm
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Originally Posted by bruce73 View Post

Tywin Lannister disparaged his father to Ayra. I'm drawing a blank. How does (did) he figure into all this?

Are you asking why Tywin brought up his father? If so my believing is that Tytos (Tywin's father) was a weak lord who let everyone walk all over him and that almost led to House Lannister being destroyed. It shows how Tywin is a self made man who brought his family out of near ruins. That explains much about his character and the kind of person he is. Also the part about teaching Jamie to read with his dyslexia also shows that he will not accept defeat and only wants the best when it comes to himself and his family. Probably why he wed Cersei to a king.
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post #1238 of 3154
5/10/12 at 9:31pm
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Originally Posted by raaj View Post


Tywin asked Arya about her father and she said he died. When asked what killed him, she responded "loyalty", and asked if he knew his father. Which is when Tywin talks about his father.

I am enjoying the scenes with Arya and Tywin a lot. And between Arya and the knight that grants her wishes (I forget his name.. ). "Angry Knight.. needs to killed. NOW!!

Lovely!!

Angry knight = Ser Amory Lorch
Assassin = Jaqen H'ghar

Only problem with that scene is that Harrenhal is said to be a massive castle and Tywin's entire host of 30,000 men is there. I find it hard to believe that she was able to find Jaqen so fast.
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post #1239 of 3154
5/10/12 at 10:02pm
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

And who would you rather have on your side in a bar fight? Ned Stark or anyone else from Thrones? I'd go with the one who might be a moron but is good with a sword and the least likely to put it in your back half way through the battle.

Nearly everyone else on the show serves only their own interests or a coin purse.

Ned was killed by the things that made him your best ally. Loyalty and honor.

While the link I gave listed some reasons, Ned made incredible bad judgments. His honor came and went. He was willing to sacrifice his honor at the last minute to try to save his family. Why didn't he do that before? If the guy either teams up with Renly or bows to Joffrey, none of this crap happens. All the concern about the proper lineage to the throne is ridiculous as Robert rose up and killed the Targaryen king and made succession moot. Ned was willing to rewrite Robert's will to keep Joffrey out essentially lying to Robert on his death bed. Ned just made a complete line of stupid moves which cost himself and his family dearly.
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post #1240 of 3154
5/10/12 at 10:33pm
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Originally Posted by Mpray1983 View Post

I think that was kind of the point though. She doesn't have the power that she once did when she was Khal Drogo's Khaleesi and until her dragons are ready for war she is going to remain a little inept girl because the truth is that no one actually owes her anything but I think some are smart to fear what she may become in the future.

It might have been the point but I don't think Emilia Clarke succeeded with it. As I said I thought her acting and dialog seemed to have wandered in from some other contemporary show whereas Sansa and Joffrey are both played as petulant brats far better.
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post #1241 of 3154
5/11/12 at 7:33am
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...Only problem with that scene is that Harrenhal is said to be a massive castle and Tywin's entire host of 30,000 men is there. I find it hard to believe that she was able to find Jaqen so fast.

I didn't see that mentioned anywhere. What episode was that in?
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post #1242 of 3154
5/11/12 at 8:05am
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Originally Posted by rsambuca View Post

I didn't see that mentioned anywhere. What episode was that in?

It is not a spoiler to discuss facts revealed in HBO's online supplemental materials for already-aired episodes.
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post #1243 of 3154
5/11/12 at 8:34am
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Originally Posted by daryl zero View Post

While the link I gave listed some reasons, Ned made incredible bad judgments. His honor came and went. He was willing to sacrifice his honor at the last minute to try to save his family. Why didn't he do that before? If the guy either teams up with Renly or bows to Joffrey, none of this crap happens. All the concern about the proper lineage to the throne is ridiculous as Robert rose up and killed the Targaryen king and made succession moot. Ned was willing to rewrite Robert's will to keep Joffrey out essentially lying to Robert on his death bed. Ned just made a complete line of stupid moves which cost himself and his family dearly.

Good points, some of which had occurred to me, but some hadn't. Esp. about Robert, and Ned's backing him in seizing the throne. I know there was good reasons for removing the Targaryens, but still it does show Stark's code of honor isn't as rigid as he might have thought it was. In his defense though he had no knowledge of Sansa spilling the beans about his suspicions to Cersie so he had no way of knowing he was walking into a trap. And his hesitation in acting was due more to his concern for the safety of Joffrey, etc, than his honor-he clearly did not want to see the children suffer, just like he opposed killing Dannerys when she was pregnant. His flaw wasn't so much his honor as it was his compassion for those he felt were innocents, not wanting to see the children having to pay for the sins of their parents.
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post #1244 of 3154
5/11/12 at 8:45am
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Originally Posted by lonwolf615 View Post

Good points, some of which had occurred to me, but some hadn't. Esp. about Robert, and Ned's backing him in seizing the throne. I know there was good reasons for removing the Targaryens, but still it does show Stark's code of honor isn't as rigid as he might have thought it was. In his defense though he had no knowledge of Sansa spilling the beans about his suspicions to Cersie so he had no way of knowing he was walking into a trap. And his hesitation in acting was due more to his concern for the safety of Joffrey, etc, than his honor-he clearly did not want to see the children suffer, just like he opposed killing Dannerys when she was pregnant. His flaw wasn't so much his honor as it was his compassion for those he felt were innocents, not wanting to see the children having to pay for the sins of their parents.

In thinking about this, I think the main thing was that Ned wasn't willing to either be vicious or to believe that others could be vicious. That was the point of Cersei's discussion with him where she admitted what the Lannisters' had done and warned him not to play the "game of thrones." However, I have a really hard time buying that premise under the circumstances in the show. Hard to imagine that Ned could be naive or that the nature of people during the time this show is supposed to be in was anything other than harsh or brutal. Ned isn't just a rube from the North. He helped Robert win the iron throne and fought many foes including the ironmen from Pyke.

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post #1245 of 3154
5/11/12 at 9:29am
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I didn't see that mentioned anywhere. What episode was that in?

Well they show harrenhal from a far and it's huge. It also can hold Tywins host in addition to prisoners and castle workers. It was mentioned many times in season 1 that tywin had 60.000 men but he gave 30k to Jamie. I can't tell you exactly which episode but I made sure before I wrote it that it was tv related and not book related. Even if that wasnt in the tv show, it didnt ruin the story for you or anyone else.

Stop trying to instigate a fight and leave it to the moderators. If you enjoy pointing out indiscretions so much maybe you should think about becoming a moderator.
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post #1246 of 3154
5/11/12 at 9:38am
Well, again in all fairness...Robert was still alive and Stark was secure in his power as the hand. Killing the king was about the worst crime possible in this world, as shown by Jamie being forever branded as the kingslayer no matter what else he acheived. Killing Robert was unthinkable to Stark.(although admittingly it should have occured to him that Cersei might do the same as her twin) He also was secure in his power as a warrior, with the naive belief that conflict would ultimately be resolved in combat. It didn't occur to him that others in the court could be disloyal to the crown in favor of their own interests, leaving him alone and outnumbered. So, naive, and too compassionate, yes. But being who he was his behavior makes sense to me. As Cersei tells him, his fate was sealed when he didn't take the Iron Throne himself.
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post #1247 of 3154
5/11/12 at 9:43am
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Well they show harrenhal from a far and it's huge. It also can hold Tywins host in addition to prisoners and castle workers. It was mentioned many times in season 1 that tywin had 60.000 men but he gave 30k to Jamie. I can't tell you exactly which episode but I made sure before I wrote it that it was tv related and not book related. Even if that wasnt in the tv show, it didnt ruin the story for you or anyone else.

Stop trying to instigate a fight and leave it to the moderators. If you enjoy pointing out indiscretions so much maybe you should think about becoming a moderator.

+1. All you really said was that there were a lot of people at harrenhal, which should have been obvious to anyone watching.
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post #1248 of 3154
5/11/12 at 10:02am
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+1. All you really said was that there were a lot of people at harrenhal, which should have been obvious to anyone watching.

Thank you...I'm pretty sure that you realize that I'm not trying to ruin anything for anyone. I just enjoy talking about the show and my only goal is to have a fun and lively dialog and I believe the same can be said for you.
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post #1249 of 3154
5/11/12 at 11:44am
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Originally Posted by mr. wally View Post

then he better let her lead him to a cave.

Uh...is this like a double entendre ?
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post #1250 of 3154
5/11/12 at 2:24pm
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Originally Posted by daryl zero View Post

While the link I gave listed some reasons, Ned made incredible bad judgments. His honor came and went. He was willing to sacrifice his honor at the last minute to try to save his family. Why didn't he do that before? If the guy either teams up with Renly or bows to Joffrey, none of this crap happens. All the concern about the proper lineage to the throne is ridiculous as Robert rose up and killed the Targaryen king and made succession moot. Ned was willing to rewrite Robert's will to keep Joffrey out essentially lying to Robert on his death bed. Ned just made a complete line of stupid moves which cost himself and his family dearly.

it's not ned. it's sean bean who dies in every movie/show in which he appears.
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post #1251 of 3154
5/11/12 at 2:26pm
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Uh...is this like a double entendre ?



good one!

you are most correct sir.
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post #1252 of 3154
5/11/12 at 2:31pm
My BD set arrived yesterday and I watched the first two episodes of Thrones last night. The first thing I noticed was how great the AQ is. This has some nice LFE and active surrounds. I'm impressed. After the opening scene I was pretty much hooked. I'm still struggling a bit with some of the names and the 7 Kingdoms. I didn't want to stop, but alas it was getting too late. The journey will continue tonight.
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post #1253 of 3154
5/11/12 at 2:41pm
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Originally Posted by Waboman View Post

My BD set arrived yesterday and I watched the first two episodes of Thrones last night. The first thing I noticed was how great the AQ is. This has some nice LFE and active surrounds. I'm impressed. After the opening scene I was pretty much hooked. I'm still struggling a bit with some of the names and the 7 Kingdoms. I didn't want to stop, but alas it was getting too late. The journey will continue tonight.

The extras on the blu are great for background info especially "Guide To Westeros" with its 20+ features & the "Character Profile" feature is great too.

Yea both the PQ/AQ are awesome.
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post #1254 of 3154
5/11/12 at 3:15pm
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Originally Posted by dcowboy7 View Post

The extras on the blu are great for background info especially "Guide To Westeros" with its 20+ features & the "Character Profile" feature is great too.

Yea both the PQ/AQ are awesome.

any spoilers in those extras?
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post #1255 of 3154
5/11/12 at 3:19pm
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Originally Posted by mr. wally View Post

any spoilers in those extras?

For future seasons no.
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post #1256 of 3154
5/11/12 at 3:50pm
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Originally Posted by Waboman View Post

My BD set arrived yesterday and I watched the first two episodes of Thrones last night. The first thing I noticed was how great the AQ is. This has some nice LFE and active surrounds. I'm impressed. After the opening scene I was pretty much hooked. I'm still struggling a bit with some of the names and the 7 Kingdoms. I didn't want to stop, but alas it was getting too late. The journey will continue tonight.

Keep the insert handy, folds open to show the families and some of the most important characters associated with them in the first season.

One good thing is when you go back later after knowing the characters better and watch it again it's even more enjoyable.
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post #1257 of 3154
5/11/12 at 5:37pm
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Originally Posted by mr. wally View Post

it's not ned. it's sean bean who dies in every movie/show in which he appears.

I've seen the video.
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post #1258 of 3154
5/12/12 at 9:16am
"Mr. Bean, we'd like you to play the lead in our new HBO series.

"I'm the hero? Its all about me? (sighs in relief) Finally, a steady job. It will be great to have my own show.

Uh, you haven't read the books, have you?
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post #1259 of 3154
5/12/12 at 9:56am
Guess nobody watched "Silent Hill" ?
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post #1260 of 3154
5/13/12 at 5:22pm
Mods,

Are bonus features in the blu ray fair game in to speak of in this thread?
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